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Good Listener posted:If Slaughter lost the deal when he returned in 1990, I'm assuming the toyline was kind of waning in popularity as well at that point. By 1990, the Ninja Turtles had straight up buried GI Joe.
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According to this, Sarge's last Joe figure was in 1989, and he didn't get another until 2006: https://www.yojoe.com/action/89/sgtslaughter4.shtml
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Nipponophile posted:Three of my favorite wrestlers are AJ Styles, Samoa Joe, and Christopher Daniels, and they're apparently lifelong best friends. Daniels, Joe, Kaz and Cena all trained together in UPW together there's even a training video set with them taking bumps
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Nipponophile posted:Three of my favorite wrestlers are AJ Styles, Samoa Joe, and Christopher Daniels, and they're apparently lifelong best friends. Every time I see Christopher Daniels' name, I get mad all over again at the capricious cruelties of genetics. If Christopher Daniels had Matt Morgan's body, we'd be saying "Dwayne who?" right now.
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Jan 16, 2019 15:27
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If he had Matt Morgan's body, he would've gotten yelled at for actually doing any cool moves.
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Nipponophile posted:Three of my favorite wrestlers are AJ Styles, Samoa Joe, and Christopher Daniels, and they're apparently lifelong best friends. Maybe it's because I don't know or like all that many new wrestlers. Things have changed so much in the 21st Century, I suspect a lot of the old animosities are a result of the older ways maybe.
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What was the point of Greg Valentine? Besides looking like Ric Flair's older lesbian sister.
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Pope Corky the IX posted:What was the point of Greg Valentine? He was a good territorial heel who was really easy to dislike because he looked like (and was) a vicious rear end in a top hat.
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Jan 16, 2019 18:46
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Valentine was one of those guys who meant something to a territory promotion but was just kind of there in the WWF. His gimmick was that he was a bastard who used dangerous moves that injured people. He played on that a few times in the WWF, but it's not like he was on the level where they were going to do an injury angle with him and a top star.
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His peak in WWF was also before the first Wrestlemania and he was pretty much permanently on his way down the card shortly after it.
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He had the personality of a loving ficus. And what was with the WWF in the 80s bringing in these guys that got over in a specific way, and then completely changing it? Or did they keep doing it because it was successful with the Bushwhackers?
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Greg Valentine is a great example of a good territory guy, who could be an asset in a lot of places, but in WWE, will have none of his strengths highlighted.
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Some of it was just robbing smaller companies of their best talent. Plenty of WWF jobbers had meant something to a regional promotion. But it was also still meaningful at that point to retain the fanbase these guys had had in a territory, which is why Ricky Steamboat kept his silly name.
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Jan 16, 2019 19:01
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Halloween Jack posted:He played on that a few times in the WWF, but it's not like he was on the level where they were going to do an injury angle with him and a top star. They literally did it when he beat Tito for the IC title.
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Jan 16, 2019 19:26
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Pope Corky the IX posted:And what was with the WWF in the 80s bringing in these guys that got over in a specific way, and then completely changing it? Or did they keep doing it because it was successful with the Bushwhackers? They literally never stopped doing that.
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TriffTshngo posted:They literally never stopped doing that. Oh, I realize it still happens, but the Sheepherder->Bushwhacker thing is amazing. Has there been a more recent example of a complete change like that?
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Halloween Jack posted:Some of it was just robbing smaller companies of their best talent. Plenty of WWF jobbers had meant something to a regional promotion. But it was also still meaningful at that point to retain the fanbase these guys had had in a territory, which is why Ricky Steamboat kept his silly name. Koko B Ware was a pretty big star in Memphis...not so much in WWE
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Jan 16, 2019 20:38
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Were the Sheepherders vicious heels instead of comedy faces or something? I know nothing about them pre-Bushwhackers.
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Nehru the Damaja posted:Were the Sheepherders vicious heels instead of comedy faces or something? I know nothing about them pre-Bushwhackers. Yes. Literally nothing was the same except having the same guys in the team. (their brawling style also worked much, much better as vicious heels)
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They were originally more "Wake in Fright" hillbillies than "Beverly" hillbillies.
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Nehru the Damaja posted:Were the Sheepherders vicious heels instead of comedy faces or something? I know nothing about them pre-Bushwhackers. Google either one of them and take a look at their foreheads.
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Jan 16, 2019 20:58
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Are the sheepherders still the only people to have a ***** match and a -***** match?
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Pope Corky the IX posted:Google either one of them and take a look at their foreheads. They've taken a lot of licks for sure.
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Jan 16, 2019 21:09
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what's the biggest upset in wrestling history?
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Low Desert Punk posted:what's the biggest upset in wrestling history? Me when Jericho had to hand the title back to Triple H after his first title win 
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Low Desert Punk posted:what's the biggest upset in wrestling history? 21-1
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Jerusalem posted:Me when Jericho had to hand the title back to Triple H after his first title win god, loving same
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Low Desert Punk posted:what's the biggest upset in wrestling history? Undertaker losing to Lesnar. Much less so but probably still relevant to the modern age is Rollins cashing in at the height of "Reigns is gonna beat Lesnar for the title" hysteria.
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Not Lightning Kid beating Razor? I saw him on GWF but still assumed he was there as a jobber
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Okada defeating Tanahashi at New Beginning 2012 might also be right up there: pretty sure that no one predicted that one without inside information.
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Misawa beating Jumbo Tsuruta clean was a big upset that led to a golden age for All Japan.
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Jerusalem posted:Me when Jericho had to hand the title back to Triple H after his first title win I genuinely wonder what would have happened if they'd called the audible and let Jericho hold it as a babyface for a bit.
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I always thought a good answer to the biggest upset question was Horowitz Wins, even if it's wrong.
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Greg Valentine was responsible for the great "I broke Wahoo's leg" shirt and thus was great even if the only pre-WWF Valentine I've seen was the really bloody dog collar match with Piper at the first Starcade
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man i remember back when Lesnar and Undertaker were having that Wrestlemania match, i still had friends that would watch wrestling with me in real life, and i didn't have to post here. the match was so bad and i knew Taker was winning so i wasn't paying a lot of attention and when Lesnar pinned Taker i didn't understand what i was seeing. it's like being in a car crash, those few seconds after the pin stretched out into infinity while i thought about how The Undertaker would win the match after Lesnar got a 3 count on him
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and now brock gets to have a marquee mania match every year where the outcome is almost never in doubt and the quality varies wildly from "really bad" to "ok"
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Low Desert Punk posted:what's the biggest upset in wrestling history? Vader squashing Inoki.
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Baron Corbin posted:man i remember back when Lesnar and Undertaker were having that Wrestlemania match, i still had friends that would watch wrestling with me in real life, and i didn't have to post here. the match was so bad and i knew Taker was winning so i wasn't paying a lot of attention and when Lesnar pinned Taker i didn't understand what i was seeing. it's like being in a car crash, those few seconds after the pin stretched out into infinity while i thought about how The Undertaker would win the match after Lesnar got a 3 count on him I watched that at a bar and when the ref counted 3 no one cheered except my friend the Brock fan and it was only a second as the reality set in.
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Bigass Moth posted:Vader squashing Inoki.
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I also remember some people speculating that it was an audible and you could hear Lesnar thanking Undertaker as he pinned him. I mean, there's no way it was but people were in shock.
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