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MassRafTer posted:The total TV audience is much smaller too. Certainly that's because the product has a national audience and broadcast deals, and not because a monopsony has allowed a dogshit product to be on air for 20 years.
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Easy Diff posted:Certainly that's because the product has a national audience and broadcast deals, and not because a monopsony has allowed a dogshit product to be on air for 20 years. You know that wrestling started being on TV before 2000, right?
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Are they using "Monopsony" because they lost the rights to Monopoly?
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Pope Corky the IX posted:Are they using "Monopsony" because they lost the rights to Monopoly? no, it's a real thing
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Yep, the United States does professional wrestling the way North Korea did agriculture.
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Halloween Jack posted:Yep, the United States does professional wrestling the way North Korea did agriculture.
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I wasn't being sarcastic.
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Easy Diff posted:Don't be obtuse. If you want to be a professional wrestling entertainer in the US, and make enough money to support a family and hopefully retire before your bones all shatter like dollar-store toys, there is exactly 1 buyer for that labor - WWE. There are nearly infinite counterexamples to this
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Easy Diff posted:Every time I see Christopher Daniels' name, I get mad all over again at the capricious cruelties of genetics. Even if he would have been too small for WWE, I feel like he could have done well in WCW as a semi-cruiserweight.
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have there ever been any serious "Daniels to WWE" talk? I know he's old but I would imagine they'd be interested in him in the Chris Hero spot where he puts over the young guys and starts training
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The Kimoa Kid posted:There are nearly infinite counterexamples to this
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Easy Diff posted:In wrestling? What other promotion even offers six-figure, yearly contracts? Impact, I guess. But outside them, you're talking about 3-digit deals at best working high school Gyms. ROH and All Elite have given them out and MLW offered one.
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MassRafTer posted:ROH and All Elite have given them out and MLW offered one. Did TNA ever offer that kind of money? I don't imagine it was common...but I could see people like Angle or Hardy fetching that money
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Even if you can make WWE money outside the WWE, their market share and influence is such that anything else out there is defined in relation to it. Or you go to Mexico or Japan, which just strengthens the argument.
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Did TNA ever offer that kind of money? I don't imagine it was common...but I could see people like Angle or Hardy fetching that money I believe the reason James Storm left NXT to go back to Impact was because he was given a guaranteed monster contract that was more money than he'd ever made before?
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A lot of people take pay cuts when they join NXT because they figure the growth potential is so great. I'm pretty sure Kairi was making more in Stardom.
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Halloween Jack posted:Even if you can make WWE money outside the WWE, their market share and influence is such that anything else out there is defined in relation to it. Or you go to Mexico or Japan, which just strengthens the argument. Also, many of the people who are making WWE money outside WWE are ex-WWE stars who would not be making that amount without their time there.
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Jerusalem posted:I believe the reason James Storm left NXT to go back to Impact was because he was given a guaranteed monster contract that was more money than he'd ever made before? Good on him for grifting more money out of Dixie though obviously
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Jerusalem posted:I believe the reason James Storm left NXT to go back to Impact was because he was given a guaranteed monster contract that was more money than he'd ever made before? Not true. He burnt a bridge with NXT as he leaked their interest in him to Pro Wrestling Sheet to create a bidding war between IMPACT and NXT. James went back to working in construction and hated it rang/cried to Billy Gunn when he was coach at NXT. Billy called in personal favour with Triple H to sign him.
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Can you break down the timeline a little more? I'm a little confused as to whether he leaked to PWS before or after he signed the big deal with Impact and left NXT? Were there talks for him to go back again AFTER he initially left for Impact?
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Jerusalem posted:Can you break down the timeline a little more? I'm a little confused as to whether he leaked to PWS before or after he signed the big deal with Impact and left NXT? Before. Jerusalem posted:Were there talks for him to go back again AFTER he initially left for Impact? Yes. Billy Gunn and Triple H felt they were being played so they cut ties. The whole NXT signing deal is to lie low and act in good faith. James did neither. I posted this blow by blow and in better detail I can remember on here at the time.
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MassRafTer posted:After the big strike over wrestling getting on national TV (the wrestlers opposed it believing it would hurt live gates) CMLL co-opted a union, the one that exists in the company to this day. From what I gather it basically does what the "not a union" Cody proposed would do. Cody better protect his car
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Did TNA ever offer that kind of money? I don't imagine it was common...but I could see people like Angle or Hardy fetching that money For awhile a bunch of guys were making six figures. Sting got 500K a year to do nothing, Angle got similar money to kill himself, Christian, AJ, Joe and some others, plus the old guys.
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Hell, them lowballing AJ is what made him leave. They had some notion that AJ would take a massive drop in pay out of loyalty and he called them on it and it's worked out pretty well.
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Oh and NJPW obviously has been offering six figured guaranteed contracts for years.
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MassRafTer posted:Oh and NJPW obviously has been offering six figured guaranteed contracts for years. Noted US wrestling company NJPW
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Easy Diff posted:Noted US wrestling company NJPW Luckily there are the other three companies that either offered or signed people to six or possibly seven figure deals in the last month.
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because it looks so drat cool
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Alaois posted:because it looks so drat cool hell yeah it does!
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Burning Hammer
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oldpainless posted:What’s your favorite wrestling move and why is it the tilt a whirl back Breaker? Its the perfect kitchen sink or a powerbomb that makes me flinch.
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oldpainless posted:What’s your favorite wrestling move and why is it the tilt a whirl back Breaker? There's a reason at least 4 of the top 10 best wrestling finishers of all time are variations of the cutter. Ramming someone face first into the ground is just satisfying on a primal level.
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CityMidnightJunky posted:There's a reason at least 4 of the top 10 best wrestling finishers of all time are variations of the cutter. Ramming someone face first into the ground is just satisfying on a primal level. not all cutters are created equal. The diamond cutter is ten times better than the RKO
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This is basically Ospreay's finish.
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It's unfortunate that the Powerbomb has kind of gotten DDT-ified because it's such an amazing move even in its basic form. It's always been a personal favorite of mine.
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Best times that a wrestler got (more or less) the opposite reaction they were expecting from a crowd?
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bessantj posted:Best times that a wrestler got (more or less) the opposite reaction they were expecting from a crowd? Triple H teasing retiring, attempting to milk the crowd after losing to Brock at Summerslam 2012 only to get indifference and "you tapped out" chants" He then came out at Raw two weeks later to do the same thing, hoping this crowd would give the right reaction, only to be met with more indifference
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