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Notorious b.s.d. posted:i have tried to negotiate these things. unsuccessfully. several times. I've managed to a few times, but usually it really depends on the employer; usually smaller ones since you get more weight in negotiating. - I already have projects/side contracts, I'm not stopping - what about contributions to open source libraries we use for work when we find issues? - is it good enough to just prevent any open work on work locations/using work equipment? etc. But I guess it helps if they find you through your open source work in the first place, and if they're not big enough to ever give a poo poo, like Apple, which afaict also prevents you from speaking at conferences as well.
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since he just tweeted it by any chance does someone have a link to the original post where that goon mailed his signed acceptance letter to his boss and hr by mistake but we all know was the biggest dick energy move in yospos history?
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Rex-Goliath posted:since he just tweeted it by any chance does someone have a link to the original post where that goon mailed his signed acceptance letter to his boss and hr by mistake but we all know was the biggest dick energy move in yospos history? I remember that. It was wonderful. 
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MononcQc posted:I've managed to a few times, but usually it really depends on the employer; usually smaller ones since you get more weight in negotiating. at small firms nobody cares and they fix the contract and you get on with life at my current job, a huge company, they care very much. i actively contribute to open source for my job and every drat thing has to go through legal review
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:at small firms nobody cares and they fix the contract and you get on with life Yeah, Salesforce was kind of heavy-handed as well when you wanted to ship new poo poo from work, but mostly they wouldn't give a poo poo what I did at home. For the components I opened up though, it was a 3-5 months process going through legal, patent counsel, getting a CTO's approval, and some internal OSS committee they had in place, along with an audit from a security team. Not really easy, but doable. Current employer has ~1400 employees and still got them to edit some stuff, but it's probably easier when you're getting in as an architect than as a junior dev anyway.
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Rex-Goliath posted:since he just tweeted it by any chance does someone have a link to the original post where that goon mailed his signed acceptance letter to his boss and hr by mistake but we all know was the biggest dick energy move in yospos history? i think bloody was the one who did this
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so y'all are saying that NYC companies absolutely refuse to match what CA enshrined in law? still don't understand the attitude some folks cop when they're getting clowned like that
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JawnV6 posted:so y'all are saying that NYC companies absolutely refuse to match what CA enshrined in law? still don't understand the attitude some folks cop when they're getting clowned like that The East coast still doesn't understand that working remotely is a thing and that they have to compete with good states like California.
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Rex-Goliath posted:since he just tweeted it by any chance does someone have a link to the original post where that goon mailed his signed acceptance letter to his boss and hr by mistake but we all know was the biggest dick energy move in yospos history? <bloody> it was in one of the jobs threads 2 years ago <bloody> i had typed up my notice letter and also just scanned my signed offer letter <bloody> then sent the signed offer letter to my management chain and HR <bloody> instead of the notice <bloody> i think the attachment was supposed to be some signed intent to leave form thing
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JawnV6 posted:so y'all are saying that NYC companies absolutely refuse to match what CA enshrined in law? still don't understand the attitude some folks cop when they're getting clowned like that i work at a relatively stodgy nyc fintech firm and i only signed away ownership of stuff i build that has to do with work, so whatever’s going on isn’t universal
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again, with small companies i've had no problem getting that clause taken out of my contract i have had zero luck with large firms, which is where i much prefer to work for reasons other than "ease of realeasing side projects"
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:i'm not an idiot
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Captain Foo posted:<bloody> it was in one of the jobs threads 2 years ago Bloody posted:so I may have accidentally emailed my boss/boss's boss/HR my signed offer letter instead of my signed notice of termination today
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That is actually alpha as gently caress and my only wish is that he'd done it intentionally
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awesome thanks. i wanted to re-read everyone’s reaction
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all my contracts have been worded so it's my IP what i do on my free time (unless it's something really similar to what the company does), i had to specifically ask the last company but they were small so it was ok. i have not yet signed and nda or copyright related stuff with my next company though which is by far the largest yet, so holding my breath probably going to walk asap if it they are having potential legal issues with me doing my music stuff on the side
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So I threw my stuff into here, and I have one major complaint: The lack of locations they allow you to select is absolutely bullshit, and they don't allow you to put in a city that is not listed. My loose definition of a "major city" is a city that has a major 4 sports team in the US, exempting Green Bay. By this standard, they're missing: Cleveland, Cincinnati, Columbus, Milwaukee*, Kansas City, Portland... I could go on. There's a lot of locations missing and it really hamstrings the site. *Milwaukee is a weird duck because of how close it is compared to Chicago. It's 90 miles, so if you select Chicago, you might get some Milwaukee jobs. However, not having any of the major Ohio cities, ESPECIALLY Columbus, is dumb if you ask me.
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I just use a nom de plume when contributing to side projects: yosmuel testinprod
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mekkanare posted:My experience has been any web site like this doesn't give a gently caress about any other city than San Francisco and New York. This is wrong, sometimes they also care about palo alto and mountain view (I suspect there's more developer computer touchers in mountain view than Ohio)
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bob dobbs is dead posted:(I suspect there's more developer computer touchers in mountain view than Ohio) but ohio is 12 million people. there's no way that mountain view alone can rival it, even if ohio has fewer software developers than average for the midwest.
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:i can believe there are more developers in the whole bay area than ohio, sure. it is an unusually prominent industry in the bay area, and makes up a larger than normal fraction of employment. you're right, s/mountain view/santa clara county, about, it looks like https://dqydj.com/number-of-developers-in-america-and-per-state/ https://dqydj.com/developers-per-zip-code-america/
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bob dobbs is dead posted:you're right, s/mountain view/santa clara county, about, it looks like these charts are a nice reminder that the #1 and #2 markets for software developers are still only a small fraction of total software employment (just, all those jobs in the other states pay less  )
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bob dobbs is dead posted:This is wrong, sometimes they also care about palo alto and mountain view Oh yeah my bad. I always think that they're suburbs that are 10 miles within each other but looking at a map I see it's not the case.
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Ohio also has one of the most well known universities in the country in Ohio State. You'd think they'd include Columbus.
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mekkanare posted:Oh yeah my bad. I always think that they're suburbs that are 10 miles within each other but looking at a map I see it's not the case. my mental map of the bay area wrt the bits that matter to computer touchin goes like this (look at caltrain map while reading: http://www.caltrain.com/stations/systemmap.html): marin - doesnt exist san rafael - doesnt exist SF then, split into east bay (which is basically comprised of Berkeley and Oakland, software-wise, and Oakland almost doesnt exist) and peninsula and south bay proper hayward and fremont basically don't exist stuff south of SF and north of san mateo basically doesn't exist. then, san mateo, redwood city sort of exist. menlo park, palo alto, mountain view and sunnyvale are the valley proper. then, there's another lacuna until san jose, which has some older stuff in it but is definitely not the capital of the valley like it pretends to be. it is deffo the southern edge of the valley, tho marin county to san jose is 90 miles, about half the height of south korea. longer than hadrian's wall
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bob dobbs is dead posted:marin county to san jose is 90 miles, about half the height of south korea. longer than hadrian's wall i know people who commute from massachussetts for the opportunity to work a software job in manhattan
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an email came in, which i present without comment
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TheFluff posted:an email came in, which i present without comment What the
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seems like a spam profile, so the name is probably just clickbait
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<edit: probably not the right thread>
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finally got a call from a headhunter this morning i'm sure i'll regret being under the gaze of the eye of sauron but it beats the hell out of silence for the nonce (e) there any good reason to volunteer salary or salary reqs to external recruiters? seems a bit different from speaking directly to companies in that they want to get me a job to make dosh, i think, but i don't know the pitfalls Ciaphas fucked around with this message at 19:28 on Jan 21, 2019 |
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Ciaphas posted:(e) there any good reason to volunteer salary or salary reqs to external recruiters? [Image:Lana Kane Nooooooope!]
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Ciaphas posted:finally got a call from a headhunter this morning Volunteer nothing, salary requirements are a part of the process, obviously, but current salary is 100% fully irrelevant
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Ciaphas posted:(e) there any good reason to volunteer salary or salary reqs to external recruiters? seems a bit different from speaking directly to companies in that they want to get me a job to make dosh, i think, but i don't know the pitfalls doesn't really matter external recruiter will lie to both sides up until the very last minute hoping to close a deal, sooooo
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you should delay, delay, delay on salary requirements with an internal recruiter because they work for HR, and it's HR's job to filter out candidates for stupid reasons external recruiters are mercenaries and they don't care
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i would suppose the incentives for an external recruiter are probably like a realtor you might think "they make a percentage of what i get so they'll fight for a larger number for me" and that's true in the short term, but the longer it takes to sell your house (or place you, in the case of a recruiter) the more they'll want to just seal the deal and move on to the next sale/placement
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Cold on a Cob posted:i would suppose the incentives for an external recruiter are probably like a realtor Also, there are dramatically fewer “buyers” and they can choose which “realtor” they work with, so the incentives aren’t in your favor. An external recruiter being too pro-applicant would be like a west coast realtor tattooing “PRC: Hands Off The Independent Nation-State of Taiwan” on their foreheads.
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thanks for the info, then both openings the recruiter had are for gambling machine companies which is pretty :\ but really anything beats current, so we'll see i guess
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