|
Tokelau All Star posted:Go to med school or get an MBA instead MBA or nursing school. Med school takes too long to actually start making money. Plus there are multiple traps you can fall into like going to med school in the Caribbean which is tempting because they’ll let you in but it’s rapidly becoming a way to saddle you with $300k+ debt and an MD degree with no medical license. I hear air traffic controller pays well. It’s shift work too with hard stops in time you can work.
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2019 09:38
|
|
|
|
| # ? Apr 29, 2024 18:30 |
|
|
Fresh blood
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2019 09:57
|
|
|
So that's why I had the urge to check the thread.The Unholy Ghost posted:I might take this more seriously if not every Something Awful career thread was full of warnings not to enter the profession. Maybe we should start a McDonald's thread that will be the one positive career thread on the forum. Got bad news for you there, chief. But keep us posted as you ignore every piece of advice from folks years and years into the profession.
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2019 10:08
|
|
|
The Unholy Ghost posted:I'd rather post regular updates on becoming a lawyer than updates working at McDonald's until I die. Edit: Being smart is not enough to succeed in law and in fact isn't even strictly necessary. The attributes that help me are: Lack of need for sleep Very very low ability to feel stress or anxiety Ability to grind away at boring poo poo for extended periods of time Intense competitiveness Ability to make myself extroverted even though I am by nature introverted Very high self confidence Ability to understand business practicality Lack of empathy but ability to fake empathy Yuns fucked around with this message at 11:04 on Jan 26, 2019 |
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2019 10:44
|
|
|
The Unholy Ghost posted:I'd rather post regular updates on becoming a lawyer than updates working at McDonald's until I die. Hmmm, life does work based on preferences, good point.
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2019 11:12
|
|
|
The Unholy Ghost posted:Is this answer made with a straight face? Totally straight face, except for the join the army part, unless that's something you feel like you could do. But as you know PS/IR degrees aren't exactly in demand. Law is an option but honestly if I could do it all over I would get into something else. BTW we all know what's going to happen. You're going to get into Northwestern or something with no scholarship, and get some money from places like Emory or BU. You'll rationalize and say well, T14 is better for job prospects and go to Northwestern. You'll finish your first year in the top 25% and maybe get a few OCS interviews but you'll strike out and take a job as an extern with a federal judge. 2L summer you'll clerk at a boutique litigation shop and hate it, but they'll tell you you definitely have a shot with them after you graduate. You'll finish ranked 56, not quite good enough for magna but still cum laude and carrying something like $190k in debt. Your boutique will no offer you and you'll stress the gently caress out until you get a job offer from a local insurance defense firm paying $90k. Choose your own adventure from that point I guess.
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2019 15:56
|
|
|
 he’s gonna graduate with $150k in debt and get a $45k/year job in 4-5 years from now.
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2019 16:29
|
|
|
Go get a job as a paralegal or any other job where you're working with lawyers. If you're having trouble getting in the door, go somewhere and offer to "intern" for free for like 1-2 days per week for a few months, even if that means working 60+ hours a week, which is something you should get used to. Then use that experience to get full time job working with lawyers. Report back in 2-3 years. The correct way to to do this is to first figure out the job you want, then figure out whether you need a law degree (and from what school) for that job. Just dropping into law school without any actual experience of the industry greatly increases the risk of failure. I've always felt that if you're lovely at finding good jobs for yourself without a law degree you'll still be lovely at it with one. It's not some panacea for all your employability problems.
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2019 16:33
|
|
|
Fuzzie Dunlop posted:I've always felt that if you're lovely at finding good jobs for yourself without a law degree you'll still be lovely at it with one. It's not some panacea for all your employability problems. Can confirm. Given I went to a TTT and graduated right before the last recession, it took me almost 10 years to get a respectable job in this business. Some of that is complacency after having kids, but I was bad at finding good jobs before that and before I went to law school. I can’t say I regret going to law school because, probably since I went to a crappy law school, my debt load wasn’t that bad (still not paid off, have about 35% of the balance left). I’m sure I’ve made more the last 10 yrs than I would have otherwise, probably by at least $20k per year. I think this year was my break even year on cumulative salary increase - (debt + opportunity cost) = > 0 . The point is the most likely “good” outcome is a marginally higher paying job offset by student loan payments for 10-20 years. And you may hate the work and stress load. I don’t because I’ve never had to work more than 40 hrs a week or bill hours. In that regard I’ve been very lucky, but it’s also probably handicapped my career. Law school is just an assortment of choices where either option isn’t great and are often both bad.
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2019 16:55
|
|
|
The Unholy Ghost posted:Is this answer made with a straight face? The best case scenario is you get emails at 7am on Saturday with the title line URGENT ASAP for the rest of your working life. The worst case scenario is that you die.
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2019 17:42
|
|
|
The Unholy Ghost posted:My conditions are that I will only become a lawyer if I can get accepted into a T14 School with a good scholarship-- probably Chicago. Anything less, and I'm out of the game. From what I read of the OP here, or at least the flowchart, this is the "ideal" situation. It's great if you do manage to get a good scholarship at a T14, but keep in mind that only a very small percentage of applicants reach that goal. There are plenty of big law partners from Northwestern, or UCLA, or Fordham for that matter. I think you can be a bit more holistic about your decision once you get admitted somewhere.
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2019 18:13
|
|
|
Throatwarbler posted:It's great if you do manage to get a good scholarship at a T14, but keep in mind that only a very small percentage of applicants reach that goal. There are plenty of big law partners from Northwestern, or UCLA, or Fordham for that matter. I think you can be a bit more holistic about your decision once you get admitted somewhere. __________________ _________________/  
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2019 18:19
|
|
|
Go read Toona’s post history. He’s not telling you that it’s a bad idea because he wants to hoard the good jobs. It’s because he had a lot of misadventures along the way. Then go read Throatwarbler’s post history and realize he is a very successful law school prospect. And probably read all of SV and Vox Nihili’s posts talking about Throatwarbler. That’s the current law school batch. One with no law degree job required and happier for it, and one probably gonna make hundreds of thousands of oil dollars off the back of Bangladeshi slaves in the UAE. For older lawyers who actually did make it, read Yuns and Slyfrog’s post histories. You have a psychopathic Norman Bates making a million bucks a year in NYC while his wife makes a few yoga instructors’ days and his kids wonder what a relationship would be like. And you have a depressed divorced man who stepped back from the job because he couldn’t bear the horror of being a success in this miserable job for longer. Then read AR’s posts and realize that if you can’t love elves you can’t be a prosecutor.
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2019 18:26
|
|
|
Arcturas posted:
Can confirm
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2019 18:46
|
|
|
Tokelau All Star posted:Go to med school or get an MBA instead Dental or pharmacy school.
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2019 19:07
|
|
|
nm posted:Dental or pharmacy school. Both of those make your career prospects less flexible than a JD in your first five years. They do basically guarantee a high paying job unlike a JD.
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2019 19:09
|
|
|
Arcturas posted:Go read Toona’s post history. He’s not telling you that it’s a bad idea because he wants to hoard the good jobs. It’s because he had a lot of misadventures along the way. Ianal but I think Mr Nice is counts as part of that class too
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2019 19:10
|
|
|
Pook Good Mook posted:Both of those make your career prospects less flexible than a JD in your first five years. They do basically guarantee a high paying job unlike a JD. Both give you access to opiods, so there's always that.
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2019 19:19
|
|
|
Arcturas posted:Go read Toona’s post history. He’s not telling you that it’s a bad idea because he wants to hoard the good jobs. It’s because he had a lot of misadventures along the way. For Yuns I think you meant Patrick Bateman. And he seems p well-adjusted considering NYC big law partner. Just go read Yuns’ daily schedule. If you want that, by all means give it a shot.
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2019 19:44
|
|
|
Uhh I'm in law school and fully looking forward to only making 70k a year when I get done
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2019 19:49
|
|
|
Drafting collateral documents with a head cold on a beautiful Saturday morning. e: gently caress it’s afternoon already disjoe fucked around with this message at 20:01 on Jan 26, 2019 |
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2019 19:59
|
|
|
If we're going down the list of great cautionary tales, Ainsley McTree posted:Did you notice the last page or so of posts in which we were all jizzing about a public defender position available in Barrow, Alaska? I couldn't speak for anyone else but I for one was not entirely exaggerating, I am not completely uninterested in the prospect and I went into law school saying to myself "the one thing I don't want to be is a public defender, I don't have the fortitude for it" but after 3 months of unemployment (well 5 technically but I started the count after I finished the bar, not graduation because at least when I was studying for the bar I had something to do) it's honestly starting to sound pretty good. Barrow, Alaska is located here:
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2019 20:08
|
|
|
they cut my overtime on friday just before the shutdown ended and now it's back, babey!!!
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2019 20:16
|
|
|
Tokelau All Star posted:Go to med school or get an MBA instead Even both of these moves are meh these days. Med better than MBA but also correspondingly higher standards and more work and lower likelihood to get onto that path. My recommendation would be to look over what kind of industries are likely to grow over the next decade, and not hollowed out by AI or robots. Get yourself a (non-cleaner) position in a company in one of those industries. The best way to have a good time at work and in the job market is working in a company that is growing, in an industry that is growing. In that regard the more human interaction bits of the healthcare sector are a good bet and bits of the digital and digital marketing sector. Any other suggested sectors from people in this thread? Note that the only set of jobs not directly threatened by robots and AI are lovely, minimum wage, service sector jobs. Not worth the capital investment of robots and people like being fawned on by other people they can feel superior to. Munin fucked around with this message at 20:31 on Jan 26, 2019 |
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2019 20:17
|
|
|
I'm in this recent class too and probably a "success" but had a pretty unique situation. Had a good job in the legal field that I didn't need to leave, TTT part time full scholarship, to Biglaw, which pretty much was a happy surprise. I had at least one other job lined up before I even went to school and had other exit options. So, it can be a good decision, but it's for pretty specific situations.
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2019 20:25
|
|
|
Pook Good Mook posted:Both of those make your career prospects less flexible than a JD in your first five years. They do basically guarantee a high paying job unlike a JD. You could even be a sports agent if you get a JD! I met a guy at SMU doing just that.
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2019 20:36
|
|
|
Hoshi posted:Ianal but I think Mr Nice is counts as part of that class too Technically, yeah. Although I deviated from the traditional law path, which meant I got an expensive degree and have little chance to do anything with it. Toona decided not to be a PD after writing up his hundredth motion for bond reduction for a guy jerking off in his kid’s mouth. I was in private criminal defense for all of two and a half months before I cracked during a hearing with one of my handful of alleged domestic batterers. Even if you believe that she is lying, you’re still stuck cross examining a crying woman that was probably smacked around. At least in the criminal worlds, lawyers peddle in misery. If you can silence out other’s trauma and pain, you can probably do it. Most lawyers turn to substance abuse to cope. More than 1/3 of lawyers have a self admitted substance abuse problem. Around 1/3 of lawyers have been diagnosed with mental health issues relating to their jobs. Lawyers also have one of the highest suicide rates compared with other professionals. The legal job market is bad and it’s going to get worse. Wages in Florida, for example, have gone down since I started law school in 2013, for example. There is no good reason for anyone to go to law school in 2019, and it’s not going to be any better next year.
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2019 20:45
|
|
|
Lote posted:You could even be a sports agent if you get a JD! Mike Leach, head coach of the Washington State football team, got a law degree from Pepperdine before he said “gently caress this” and got an assistant coaching gig under Hal Mumme.
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2019 20:46
|
|
|
Mr. Nice! posted:Mike Leach, head coach of the Washington State football team, got a law degree from Pepperdine before he said “gently caress this” and got an assistant coaching gig under Hal Mumme. Also bad coaches like Derek Dooley (UVA) got law degrees.
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2019 20:56
|
|
|
Javid posted:If we're going down the list of great cautionary tales, Hey there's another job opening in Barrow! The judge up there just got hit by the water delivery truck (there's no reliable running water because infrastructure freezes) and the Supreme Court medically retired her. It's super tragic, she was a pillar of the community. To apply, google ajc Alaska and throw your name into the judicial council. It pays like $300k and the case load is super manageable. But you have to live in Barrow. Edit: Barrow was renamed Utqiagvik recently. That's it's ancestral name. The Unholy Ghost posted:I might take this more seriously if not every Something Awful career thread was full of warnings not to enter the profession. Maybe we should start a McDonald's thread that will be the one positive career thread on the forum. Getting this pissy when someone posts something a tiny little bit contradictory to one of your posts is a really, really strong sign that you are not cut out for being a lawyer. Every decision you make is going to be scrutinized by dozens of people, all of whom are going to argue with all of the goddamn minutia you even if they need to make poo poo up to do it, and you will not be able to rest or breathe because doing so would provide an opening to any of the many people opposing you looking for weakness, all with real life-altering consequences for your client. It's not college debate club. And you'll be poor while doing it. Get an MBA if you want to play baller in a suit and tie, otherwise be a nurse or physician's assistant or something.
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2019 21:10
|
|
|
Alexeythegreat posted:Fresh blood
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2019 21:12
|
|
|
Also lol @ the recommendations to the McRetail guy to go get an MBA. That's a degree for people who have connections or a management career track.
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2019 21:16
|
|
|
BigHead posted:Hey there's another job opening in Barrow! Note: Barrow literally means a pile of earth over a grave. That this is where you have to go to find jobs says something.
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2019 21:20
|
|
|
Working in the north on litigation rules, actually
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2019 21:26
|
|
|
Just be an entrepreneur! You'll make way more money
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2019 21:27
|
|
|
Kawasaki Nun posted:Just be an entrepreneur! You'll make way more money I.e. start a law firm right out of law school There's a guy in my city who started a law firm and called it "Two Scorpions". I do not have an explanation.
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2019 21:36
|
|
|
Fuzzie Dunlop posted:I'm in this recent class too and probably a "success" but had a pretty unique situation. Had a good job in the legal field that I didn't need to leave, TTT part time full scholarship, to Biglaw, which pretty much was a happy surprise. I had at least one other job lined up before I even went to school and had other exit options. You met every condition this thread has and turned out fine, which is a great example of why people should listen
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2019 21:39
|
|
|
Kawasaki Nun posted:Uhh I'm in law school and fully looking forward to only making 70k a year when I get done Can confirm! I've finished law school* and make 70k a year. *In 1993
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2019 21:43
|
|
|
that post makes me think, fishmech might be a good metric for part (only part) of the lawyer mentality.
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2019 21:55
|
|
|
|
| # ? Apr 29, 2024 18:30 |
|
|
joat mon posted:Can confirm! I've finished law school* and make 70k a year. There are now lawyers younger than your law degree.
|
|
#
?
Jan 26, 2019 22:23
|
|