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Splicer posted:They should assign themselves to the most appropriate available job, but if e.g. you only have rock smashing jobs free and you have a free cyborg he will join the rock smashing job. You can temporarily fix a planet by pausing the game, going into the jobs screen, pressing the down arrow on various jobs until all the bad assignments are gone, then pressing up again and they'll fill with the best pops from the pool. tl;dr its impossible to get pops with a certain bonus to work a job where that bonus will apply.
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Staltran posted:Why'd it blow the hive mind's mind, deviant drones are a thing? It could live in peace with the deviants instead of deploying hunter-killers if it wanted to, too. It's a scifi trope and literally the plot of Ender's Game; the Formics were completely aghast and blown away at the revelation that they were murdering scores of sentient life by the millions and when they realized formed a friendship with Ender and his family after the fact and used this as the basis to reestablish friendly relations with the human race. It's a reasonable point of view that certain kinds of societies have a hard time imagining societies that are different from them; and thus it is entirely possible for different lifeforms to be entirely different from what we imagine and vice versa. A Hive Mind might blissfully assume that all other possible sentient life has to be hive minds in turn because of all sorts of reasonable to them thinking about how life *must* evolve to become sentient. Thus when they finally do discover sentient life, yeah it would be a mind blowing event. Consider how the starting popup for a lot of races in Stellaris remarks about how sentient life other than your own is "unlikely" until you discover someone for the first time, which results in another event in which it is treated ingame as a expectations shattering event. I like the idea of a Hive Mind that collects and lives with sentients because it's just so gosh darn fascinated with them.
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Jan 31, 2019 16:03
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:Just so its said, this doesnt work consistently, at least for me. I've tried to do it several times and once you open up all of the jobs again (once there are only people fit for those jobs available/once all of the specialist pops are working their specialist job) they just get reshuffled again anyway.
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Jan 31, 2019 16:05
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Raenir Salazar posted:I'd like more options to be a friendly Hive Mind. The Hive Mind is just basically one person; so it's gotta blow their mind that they encounter another people and each individual is just as sentient as their whole collective! And they just wanna be friends and live in peace with all these people all at the sametime like they're a pet. Honestly I think gestalts should get one ethics point.
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Jan 31, 2019 16:14
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Zurai posted:Honestly I think gestalts should get one ethics point.
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Non-game breaking but annoying bug: when you have no fleets you lose the "Create Fleet" button and have to go make a ship manually before going back to the fleet screen. (Beta patch, no mods)Raenir Salazar posted:It's a reasonable point of view that certain kinds of societies have a hard time imagining societies that are different from them; and thus it is entirely possible for different lifeforms to be entirely different from what we imagine and vice versa This is also the twist in a much better book that I'd like to mention but can't for obvious reasons (well, "twist". Resolution might be a better word)
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Raenir Salazar posted:I like the idea of a Hive Mind that collects and lives with sentients because it's just so gosh darn fascinated with them. I have my pacifist bee Hive Mind race that only goes to war when it detects spacefaring nations that are basically huge dickheads "SINCE YOU CANNOT BE TAUGHT TO BE HARMONIOUS, YOU WILL BE HARMONIOUS WITH *US* AND YOU WILL BE HAPPY"
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dead comedy forums posted:I have my pacifist bee Hive Mind race that only goes to war when it detects spacefaring nations that are basically huge dickheads That's gold right there.
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Jan 31, 2019 18:03
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dead comedy forums posted:I have my pacifist bee Hive Mind race that only goes to war when it detects spacefaring nations that are basically huge dickheads
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Jan 31, 2019 18:22
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Non-game breaking but annoying bug: when you have no fleets you lose the "Create Fleet" button and have to go make a ship manually before going back to the fleet screen. (Beta patch, no mods)
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Jan 31, 2019 18:26
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Raenir Salazar posted:It's a scifi trope and literally the plot of Ender's Game; the Formics were completely aghast and blown away at the revelation that they were murdering scores of sentient life by the millions and when they realized formed a friendship with Ender and his family after the fact and used this as the basis to reestablish friendly relations with the human race. Yeah but in Stellaris hive minds will have already encountered sapient individuals in the form of deviant drones. The events about finding other sapient life are about other species, not non-hive minds. Pretty sure some of the civic flavor text makes clear that the drones are sapient but have their will suppressed by the hive mind, so if the hive mind wanted sapient individuals to hang out with it could just stop doing that to some drones.
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Jan 31, 2019 18:37
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Raenir Salazar posted:It's a scifi trope and literally the plot of Ender's Game; the Formics were completely aghast and blown away at the revelation that they were murdering scores of sentient life by the millions and when they realized formed a friendship with Ender and his family after the fact and used this as the basis to reestablish friendly relations with the human race. This reminds me of that The Thing short story that was written from the alien's perspective. http://clarkesworldmagazine.com/watts_01_10/
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popewiles posted:This reminds me of that The Thing short story that was written from the alien's perspective. the best part of this story is that the alien is just as horrified by our existence as we are of its and also the even more horrifying assertion that all other life it has encountered has been like it
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Jan 31, 2019 18:46
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Non-game breaking but annoying bug: when you have no fleets you lose the "Create Fleet" button and have to go make a ship manually before going back to the fleet screen. (Beta patch, no mods) You should do this anyway because the game doesn't respect the "home base" setting for a fleet created from the create fleet button, which has a high probability of building your fleet from the wrong starbases etc.
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Jan 31, 2019 18:50
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ulmont posted:You should do this anyway because the game doesn't respect the "home base" setting for a fleet created from the create fleet button, which has a high probability of building your fleet from the wrong starbases etc.
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Jan 31, 2019 19:00
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I just conquered the xenophobic FE home-world and turned them all into robots. Then I turned it into an ecumenopolis, filled it with leisure districts and renamed it "The party core". Dancing on your graaaaaaaves XD
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Jan 31, 2019 19:13
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Staltran posted:Yeah but in Stellaris hive minds will have already encountered sapient individuals in the form of deviant drones. The events about finding other sapient life are about other species, not non-hive minds. Pretty sure some of the civic flavor text makes clear that the drones are sapient but have their will suppressed by the hive mind, so if the hive mind wanted sapient individuals to hang out with it could just stop doing that to some drones.
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Jan 31, 2019 19:17
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Darkrenown posted:They feel pretty weak and I would like to buff them. MEs end up super OP next patch. Good to hear! If wiz thinks they are OP as is I would REALLY like to know in what ways and how to make it work for me because I have a WAY harder time getting MEs off the ground than basically any other empire type haha Splicer posted:I'd really like a few more game changing hive mind civics. Like no deviant drones, allowing aliens to live in your worlds etc. something like a symbiotic evolution civic where you have independent and hive pops coexisting and some mechanics tied to pop ratios and growth stuff would be kinda neat I think? no clue if that's doable with how the gestalt consciousness empire type is actually coded or if it would require a prohibitive amount of work to implement well Martout fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Jan 31, 2019 |
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Splicer posted:I'd really like a few more game changing hive mind civics. Like no deviant drones, allowing aliens to live in your worlds etc. So uh, a normal empire? On a serious note, hive mind civics are booooooring. Machine empires are slightly better, but still not great.
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Staltran posted:Yeah but in Stellaris hive minds will have already encountered sapient individuals in the form of deviant drones. The events about finding other sapient life are about other species, not non-hive minds. Pretty sure some of the civic flavor text makes clear that the drones are sapient but have their will suppressed by the hive mind, so if the hive mind wanted sapient individuals to hang out with it could just stop doing that to some drones. Because basically, a Hive Mind with Deviant Drones just means they might assume other sentient races are just other hive mind with some deviant drones? That they've actually encountered an alien race where *every* member is just as sentient as the hive mind is isn't something we can easily assume to be something they would know. These are still large differences in kinds. Also people have indicated that regardless of the lore, it would be cool if Hive Minds could let other races settle their worlds. I'm sure there's a lot of options for how to play Hive Minds that would be neat, such as a civic point; a militerist hive mind vs a materialist vs a pacifist one, the options are endless. edit: ZypherIM posted:So uh, a normal empire? Ultimately the goal here it so satisfy the player's desire to rp a certain way. If functionally the end result is basically a normal empire I'm not sure of the big deal; other than a majority of your pops being the hive mind and the other pops aren't food.
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Dark, put this on the "non-essential issue list": renaming planets doesn't let you randomize off of your naming list.
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Why are you assuming deviant drones are sentient? Could just as easily be they're a genetic aberration, a cancer for lack of a better term, that the hive mind needs to remove before it can cause health issues for the hive. Could be a drone, that due to it's genetic defect, has no connection to the hive mind, but still follows it's default functions that are genetically built in. When those functions are changed, that drone's deviancy is identified. What I'm saying is, deviant drones doesn't have to mean sentient drones.
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Technical Analysis posted:Why are you assuming deviant drones are sentient? Could just as easily be they're a genetic aberration, a cancer for lack of a better term, that the hive mind needs to remove before it can cause health issues for the hive. Deviant is a weird term to use in that case. Plus some of the flavor text gives the impression drones are sapient. One Mind civic: The Hive Mind takes care to not let its drones diverge. Subsumed Will civic: The Hive Mind has sharpened its focus and is very capable of propagating its will even through the most autonomous of drones. I think some traditions suggest that too? Plus hives having influence kinda suggests that too. Besides, they're sapient enough to become crime lords if they end up in a regular empire, aren't they?
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Staltran posted:Deviant is a weird term to use in that case. Plus some of the flavor text gives the impression drones are sapient. Similarly cancer can be thought of as "autonomous cells" because they no longer respond to correct programming. Regarding the latter... uh, isn't that bug?
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Jan 31, 2019 20:48
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ZypherIM posted:Dark, put this on the "non-essential issue list": renaming planets doesn't let you randomize off of your naming list. I also would like the random button on renaming planets please
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ZypherIM posted:So uh, a normal empire? Normal empires have factions, presumably a primarily hive mind based empire with a few aliens scattered about would not. Would potentially have crime though. And you'd have to produce some consumer goods. Maybe they could be like bio-trophies, except instead of producing unity they produce random stuff using their mysterious singleton ways? That would be neat, if they didn't *do* anything but fired weird events that were just baffling to you. Oh hey a bunch of them died because ??? but the others designed a new kind of thruster so that's good maybe?
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Staltran posted:Deviant is a weird term to use in that case. Plus some of the flavor text gives the impression drones are sapient. Assuming the Hive has a central mind, similar to the Tyranids or Zerg, even that mind cannot individually control every single drone, so every drone has to have some level of autonomy in their actions, with higher-thinking parts of the Hive directing them (Overlords and Cerebrates, for example).
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hobbesmaster posted:Regarding the latter... uh, isn't that bug? Probably. That last part was a joke, should've added a smiley in hindsight.
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Shadowlyger posted:Assuming the Hive has a central mind, similar to the Tyranids or Zerg, even that mind cannot individually control every single drone, so every drone has to have some level of autonomy in their actions, with higher-thinking parts of the Hive directing them (Overlords and Cerebrates, for example). I mean, your body has a lot of autonomous parts. Aside from the obvious stuff like the brain stem and spine being able to respond separately from the brain to input (for instance pulling your hand away from heat), other parts have their own mostly autonomous operation, the stomach and intestines being the best examples. Your entire circulatory system, aside from the heart, and indirectly the dilation of the arteries and veins, through the spread of hormones, pretty much do what they do without any input from you brain. The active immune system is pretty much it's own thing which operates outside of the brain's input, if you exclude responses like raising the body heat level or sneezing.
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For fun I decided to make a namelist and I was wondering if I could get some help--how do I get the name of the list to display properly in the "Choose Namelist" portion of empire creation?
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Raenir Salazar posted:Because basically, a Hive Mind with Deviant Drones just means they might assume other sentient races are just other hive mind with some deviant drones? That they've actually encountered an alien race where *every* member is just as sentient as the hive mind is isn't something we can easily assume to be something they would know. These are still large differences in kinds. I think your argument presupposes that an alien hive mind race has to come from a planet where all of the species are also hive minds, and I don't think that's a reasonable assumption.
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Technical Analysis posted:Why are you assuming deviant drones are sentient? Could just as easily be they're a genetic aberration, a cancer for lack of a better term, that the hive mind needs to remove before it can cause health issues for the hive.
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There's events where drones (machine and hive mind) flee the hunter seeker drones to your empire and become leaders. Definitely sentient.
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I hate to be "that guy" but "Sentient" just refers to being able to perceive things. You'd be talking about sapient drones.
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Nitrousoxide posted:I hate to be "that guy" but "Sentient" just refers to being able to perceive things. You'd be talking about sapient drones. It's literally the most annoying thing
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:I'm pretty sure that this has been around since they added the Fleet Manager. Possibly  Currently a large Ease Of Use thing that would be nice would be to a) automatically delete buildings that don't have hive mind equivalents (eg things that give clerks) or b) have a "delete all" button
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MrL_JaKiri posted:Possibly Most of them have been updated to have pop jobs triggered based upon the type of empire that owns them, but the trade ones don't have any. They should probably have them converted into maintenance depots (and vice versa). In addition, I do know the Waste Reprocessing Center and the Nuumistic Shrine haven't been updated, so if you conquer a pre-built one as the wrong empire you end up with a bunch of unfillable jobs.
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QuarkJets posted:I think your argument presupposes that an alien hive mind race has to come from a planet where all of the species are also hive minds, and I don't think that's a reasonable assumption. We're talking about sentience though. Non-sentient non-hive based animal life wouldn't make it more likely to suppose that for sentient life to exist it needs to become a hive mind to escape that layer of the "filter". Also there's plenty of hive based organisms that aren't sentient, why couldn't all life on a planet be ants or bees? Hive mind beavers? Hive mind carrion? Look at how much science fiction vaguely assumes humanoid carbon based life and that's what I'm getting at. The discovery of anything that bucks that mold would be an earth shattering discovery. Any kind of alien life would be for us considering how many people, especially religious types basically assume we're the only life in the universe and whole thought experiments that assume a similar conclusion. But ultimately I think a Hive Mind with Biotrophies or non hive mind pops would be cool; same for Machine Empires; or perhaps a non gestalt machine race could be interesting. Some of the restrictions seem arbitrary to me.
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Raenir Salazar posted:We're talking about sentience though. Non-sentient non-hive based animal life wouldn't make it more likely to suppose that for sentient life to exist it needs to become a hive mind to escape that layer of the "filter". We’re talking about sapience, not sentience.
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You're conflating two different things: people would get their minds blown by the existence of any kind of alien intelligent life, whether it's a hive mind or silicon-based or whatever is practically a footnote, on the scale of belief-shattering revelations that's like a 2/10. Once we got over alien life existing I don't think that the existence of an alien hive mind would be a big deal to most people, we've already created popular media depicting those based on the relatively unintelligent hive mind species that we already have on Earth So I assume that the opposite would also be true: an alien hive mind may be shocked to discover intelligent alien life, but whether that life is also a hive mind may be interesting but probably not mind-blowing
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