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Umbra Dubium
Nov 23, 2007

The British Empire was built on cups of tea, and if you think I'm going into battle without one, you're sorely mistaken!



In a turn of events I'm p. sure do not constitute a foreshadowing of brexit in any shape or fashion, Boots didn't have any insulin for me when I popped in this morning.

I mean, it'll be there when I go back in a day or two, but it was nice knowing you guys.

Edit: Met this dude a little while ago:

Umbra Dubium fucked around with this message at 17:23 on Feb 4, 2019

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goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Hentai Jihadist posted:

she also did a photo op where she got an intern to wear an SNP rosette as she beat them in a go-kart race to foreshadow her crushing victory over the nationalists in the elections



kezia balled out of control and i miss her

Unfortunately she removed her helmet within the bounds of the track, an automatic black flag offence, which is why Labour were wiped out in Scotland.

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

^^^ Kezia is definitely using mario kart rules

Hentai Jihadist posted:

presumably the EU wouldnt legally allow any goods from the UK that werent checked though, so itd be a collosal fuckup on every level

so i look forward to it happening and its corbyn's fault because he said something nice about chavez once

yeah it would still mean all the traffic going the other way is held up by checks on the EU side

baka kaba fucked around with this message at 17:23 on Feb 4, 2019

radmonger
Jun 6, 2011

baka kaba posted:

yeah it would still mean all the traffic going the other way is held up by checks on the EU side

So this measure doesn’t solve the problem, but does provide support for the argument that everything is the fault of the EU for punishing Britain for leaving?

Spangly A
May 14, 2009

God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall
yeah I'm sure the world's largest liberal beurocratic empire is going to have nothing to say about nobody confirming whether thousands of lorries a day worth of goods are being taxed correctly, and have no concerns about being sued by hundreds of other nations about this

again this is the critical misread of brexit politicians; they simply don't recognise that the EU is an independent actor with its own poo poo to deal with here

Ursine Catastrophe
Nov 9, 2009

It's a lovely morning in the void and you are a horrible lady-in-waiting.



don't ask how i know

Dinosaur Gum

radmonger posted:

So this measure doesnt solve the problem, but does provide support for the argument that everything is the fault of the EU for punishing Britain for leaving?

Just wait until Day 2 when capitalists realize they can save megabucks on that whole "quality inspection" they're paying for shipping stuff to the UK

I give it a week until someone finds horsemeat in the burgers again

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012
Also, get ready for some flat-out apocalyptic food poisoning cases.

Spangly A
May 14, 2009

God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

Ursine Catastrophe posted:


I give it a week until someone finds horsemeat in the burgers again

my favourite bit about that story was they immediately found the company that hadn't been checking the source or species of its meat, ignored them, followed the trail all the way back to the slaughterhouse and were promptly told "yes, it was horse meat. Good horse meat too! what's wrong with you?"

followed by an immediate national shrug and I GUESS WE'LL NEVER KNOW WHAT HAPPENED HERE

Comrade Fakename
Feb 13, 2012


baka kaba posted:

^^^ Kezia is definitely using mario kart rules

Scottish Labour only lost because the SNP got a lucky blue shell at the last moment.

But Labour should suck it up because blue shells are redistributive and therefore socialist.

SixFigureSandwich
Oct 30, 2004
Exciting Lemon

Ursine Catastrophe posted:

I give it a week until someone finds horsemeat in the burgers again

Abolish food inspections, problem solved. I mean if it works for the borders...

baka kaba
Jul 19, 2003

PLEASE ASK ME, THE SELF-PROFESSED NO #1 PAUL CATTERMOLE FAN IN THE SOMETHING AWFUL S-CLUB 7 MEGATHREAD, TO NAME A SINGLE SONG BY HIS EXCELLENT NU-METAL SIDE PROJECT, SKUA, AND IF I CAN'T PLEASE TELL ME TO
EAT SHIT

radmonger posted:

So this measure doesn’t solve the problem, but does provide support for the argument that everything is the fault of the EU for punishing Britain for leaving?

What doesn't, if you look at it brexitishly enough?


Spangly A posted:

yeah I'm sure the world's largest liberal beurocratic empire is going to have nothing to say about nobody confirming whether thousands of lorries a day worth of goods are being taxed correctly, and have no concerns about being sued by hundreds of other nations about this

again this is the critical misread of brexit politicians; they simply don't recognise that the EU is an independent actor with its own poo poo to deal with here

Yeah, even if this is ok by WTO rules (which I'm guessing it isn't - promising to do checks and collect tariffs 'later' seems like a bad thing to allow in a standard base set of rules) it's gonna make every trading partner extremely wary of trusting us. Hell it would probably make the EU-side delays even longer since they have to make absolutely sure they're not getting the trash garbage we're inevitably importing by throwing open the borders to whatever, just whatever

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

baka kaba posted:

What doesn't, if you look at it brexitishly enough?


Yeah, even if this is ok by WTO rules (which I'm guessing it isn't - promising to do checks and collect tariffs 'later' seems like a bad thing to allow in a standard base set of rules) it's gonna make every trading partner extremely wary of trusting us. Hell it would probably make the EU-side delays even longer since they have to make absolutely sure they're not getting the trash garbage we're inevitably importing by throwing open the borders to whatever, just whatever

Yeah if nothing else if I were in charge of the Shenzhen Asbestos And Lead Toy Company you better believe I'm shipping stuff into the UK, slapping a Union Jack on it, and selling it all over the EU.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
I don't see a problem with that, you've put the appropriate warning sign on.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
https://twitter.com/AyoCaesar/status/1092471417134821376

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

Venomous posted:

Asked my Dad (who works in finance), and he’s confident that there won’t be a no deal Brexit b/c the money markets don’t think so, thus Sterling probably won’t collapse

The money markets thought we wouldn't vote for Brexit, until we did.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
She tried to apologise to Konnie Huq, Ranvir Singh, Rishi Sharma, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, and the lady at the grocery store before giving up and just calling the BBC.

feedmegin posted:

The money markets thought we wouldn't vote for Brexit, until we did.
Wasn't that a deliberate short?

learnincurve
May 15, 2014

Smoosh
I am disappointed that no one brought up the irony of discussing dick measuring on the same page as pictures of the man who played Alfred Kinsey, a man who measured a hell of a lot of dicks in his life.

A Buttery Pastry
Sep 4, 2011

Delicious and Informative!
:3:

Spangly A posted:

yeah I'm sure the world's largest liberal beurocratic empire is going to have nothing to say about nobody confirming whether thousands of lorries a day worth of goods are being taxed correctly, and have no concerns about being sued by hundreds of other nations about this

again this is the critical misread of brexit politicians; they simply don't recognise that the EU is an independent actor with its own poo poo to deal with here
Tories don't have a theory of mind.

goddamnedtwisto
Dec 31, 2004

If you ask me about the mole people in the London Underground, I WILL be forced to kill you
Fun Shoe

Guavanaut posted:

She tried to apologise to Konnie Huq, Ranvir Singh, Rishi Sharma, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, and the lady at the grocery store before giving up and just calling the BBC.

Wasn't that a deliberate short?

Nobody's quite sure - the day of the referendum sterling was slowly trending up then spiked in the last minute before the polls closed and the exit poll was announced, then the arse fell completely out of it when the exit poll was announced. It's *possible* that the rise and spike was being caused by traders with their own polls looking to pull a short but if so they covered their tracks much, much more competently than people doing that sort of thing in other markets (bearing in mind that sort of insider trading and price manipulation is specifically *not* illegal - or at least not *as* illegal - as it is in other markets).

As far as anyone can tell the majority of forex traders (including the bogeyman Soros) believed that the referendum was going to go Remain right up until 2200 on the 23rd.

Lady Demelza
Dec 29, 2009



Lipstick Apathy
As delightfully lit as that peenpic was, I'd be worried it would poke a hole in a lung or something. Like a supercar looks great in the ad but would be hellish navigating the Gravelly Hill Interchange at rush hour.

baka kaba posted:

yeah it would still mean all the traffic going the other way is held up by checks on the EU side

The EU is not going to let a country enjoy the benefits of FoM for goods without paying for membership, be it full EU or some kind of customs agreement. If they make an exception for us then it sets a precedent for the next country that eyes up leaving.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro



Reminder that 5 years ago she also mixed up Chuck Umunna (sic) and Chris Eubank. Must be their accents too.

Lord of the Llamas
Jul 9, 2002

EULER'VE TO SEE IT VENN SOMEONE CALLS IT THE WRONG THING AND PROVOKES MY WRATH

Venomous posted:

hi, I’m a Scottish goon living in Germany now. Going back to ‘should I get my money out the bank’ chat: seeing as it’s ever more likely that May’ll gently caress things up on the 14th, should I transfer what’s left of my UK savings to my German bank account before Brexit happens? Asked my Dad (who works in finance), and he’s confident that there won’t be a no deal Brexit b/c the money markets don’t think so, thus Sterling probably won’t collapse, but I don’t want to put my trust in some invisible hand tbh. What would you folks recommend?

:lol:

Spangly A
May 14, 2009

God help you if ever you're caught on these shores

A man's ambition must indeed be small
To write his name upon a shithouse wall

forkboy84 posted:

Reminder that 5 years ago she also mixed up Chuck Umunna (sic) and Chris Eubank. Must be their accents too.

go back a few pages, she tweeted she confused them because they both have "arrogant smirks"

she just tweeted it out and yelled at some dogs

Lord Ludikrous
Jun 7, 2008

Enjoy your tea...

What dark magicks do some of these organisations use to come up with these prices?

Darth Walrus
Feb 13, 2012

goddamnedtwisto posted:

Nobody's quite sure - the day of the referendum sterling was slowly trending up then spiked in the last minute before the polls closed and the exit poll was announced, then the arse fell completely out of it when the exit poll was announced. It's *possible* that the rise and spike was being caused by traders with their own polls looking to pull a short but if so they covered their tracks much, much more competently than people doing that sort of thing in other markets (bearing in mind that sort of insider trading and price manipulation is specifically *not* illegal - or at least not *as* illegal - as it is in other markets).

As far as anyone can tell the majority of forex traders (including the bogeyman Soros) believed that the referendum was going to go Remain right up until 2200 on the 23rd.

Farage totally shorted the pound.

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011






yeahhhhhh, I’m a pessimist too

TheRat
Aug 30, 2006

https://twitter.com/NewcastlePoint/status/1092041908648583168

kingturnip
Apr 18, 2008
If the UK doesn't bother with border checks the day after Brexit, presumably that would mean plenty of illegal immigrants finding it suddenly remarkably easy to get into the UK

Sanford
Jun 30, 2007

...and rarely post!


kingturnip posted:

If the UK doesn't bother with border checks the day after Brexit, presumably that would mean plenty of illegal immigrants finding it suddenly remarkably easy to get into the UK

Bear in mind the ‘border checks happen in France’ arrangement would almost certainly cease as well. The Calais “jungle” would immediately decamp to the UK.

JFairfax
Oct 23, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

Darth Walrus posted:

Farage totally shorted the pound.



Guavanaut posted:

Wasn't that a deliberate short?

Yes. This article is v. important:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-06-25/brexit-big-short-how-pollsters-helped-hedge-funds-beat-the-crash

At 10:52 p.m., the pound rose above $1.50 and reached its highest mark in six months. A few minutes later, Ed Conway, the Sky News economics editor, appeared before a giant screen showing the spike. The pound had been tracking polls for months, Conway explained. Whether they were on couches in London or at trading desks in Chicago, people watching Sky or reading headlines sparked by its coverage had every reason to think Remain would prevail. But not quite everyone.

Behind the scenes, a small group of people had a secret—and billions of dollars were at stake. Hedge funds aiming to win big from trades that day had hired YouGov and at least five other polling companies, including Farage's favorite pollster. Their services, on the day and in the days leading up to the vote, varied, but pollsters sold hedge funds critical, advance information, including data that would have been illegal for them to give the public. Some hedge funds gained confidence, through private exit polls, that most Britons had voted to leave the EU, or that the vote was far closer than the public believed—knowledge pollsters provided while voting was still underway and hours ahead of official tallies. These hedge funds were in the perfect position to earn fortunes by short selling the British pound. Others learned the likely outcome of public, potentially market-moving polls before they were published, offering surefire trades.

..

If public polling up to and on the final day inflated a bubble, how might private polls have helped traders? In at least two ways, according to pollsters involved, hedge fund traders and consultants. First, commission a private poll that closely tracks what will be released to the public, as in Operation Pomegranate, tipping traders in advance to how the market may move. Second, get better data than the public has, allowing traders to see if the market’s faith in the pound is misplaced, or the currency is overvalued. Both strategies come with some risk, but because the trader is betting against the prevailing market sentiment, the bet is cheap and the potential payout is high—just the sort of situation hedge funds love. For traders, it doesn’t matter if the pollster’s ultimate exit-poll prediction is wrong (as some were on Brexit night). Hedge funds’ internal models, some far more advanced than anything in the polling industry, fed on raw data, such as turnout in specific regions, that allowed them to make smarter bets. “They are looking for a slight edge—they don't expect you to be 100 percent accurate,” said one pollster.

Rokos, which had worked with ICM and Curtice, ended up making more than $100 million, or 3 percent of its entire value, in a single day, according to the results Bloomberg first reported in the wake of the vote. Brevan Howard, which at a minimum bought exit-polling data from ComRes, made $160 million on June 24 alone. Brevan Howard declined to comment.
While the identity of YouGov’s Operation Pomegranate hedge fund client remains unclear, knowledgeable sources identified two clients for its pre-election polling. They are Capstone Investment Advisors and Odey

Asset Management. Capstone, then managing more than $5.2 billion, made about 1.7 percent of the value of its biggest fund off its Brexit trades, Bloomberg reported after the vote, citing a knowledgeable source. Some of that was specifically attributed to bets placed on price swings leading up to the referendum. Capstone declined to comment for this article. Odey’s eponymous founder is Crispin Odey, who was both a top fundraiser for Farage and a leading contributor of campaign cash to the pro-Brexit side. His firm made about $300 million from Brexit. “There’s that Italian expression,” Odey boasted to the BBC of his Brexit bounty: “‘Al mattino ha l'oro in bocca’—the morning has gold in its mouth.”

In an interview with Bloomberg, Odey said the private polling purchased from YouGov ahead of the vote was valuable, though not definitive, because there was still a high level of uncertainty about the outcome. He said his firm didn't buy an exit poll on the day. “Everyone is going to try to improve the information they have,” he said of hedge fund surveys. “That’s the arms race.” But, he said, it shouldn't be possible for some traders to pay more for better information. “The idea of public markets is that you have equality. If you don't, then one has to be worried about that.”
At least six other hedge funds were among those negotiating or shopping for polls, according to interviews with polling executives, including one who accessed his email archives for Bloomberg during an interview. These included Arrowgrass Capital Partners, Element Capital, Maven, PointState and TSE Capital Management. The same polling executive said that at least three more—North Asset Management, SPX Capital and Vigilant—were trying to obtain information regarding the timing of media-published polls. It's not clear which, if any, bought polling. All of these firms declined to comment or did not respond to requests for comment.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013


The gently caress is she picking people who look nothing loving alike?

Sanford
Jun 30, 2007

...and rarely post!


.

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
https://twitter.com/labourpress/status/1092478123550089217

Looke
Aug 2, 2013

i fancied konnie huq back in the day

still do tbh

TheRat
Aug 30, 2006

Looke posted:

i fancied konnie huq back in the day

still do tbh

You and basically everyone else

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

Looke posted:

i fancied konnie huq back in the day

still do tbh

pretty sure most people did

Sex Robot
Jan 11, 2011

Nothing amazing happens here.
Everything is ordinary.

Looke posted:

i fancied konnie huq back in the day

still do tbh

I love the fact that she married Charlie Brooker after appearing on his show to do a fake documentary about pissing. It's the romance story we all dream of.

JFairfax
Oct 23, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

Sex Robot posted:

I love the fact that she married Charlie Brooker after appearing on his show to do a fake documentary about pissing. It's the romance story we all dream of.

Richard Herring's version of this is much funnier, with a different outcome lol

ShaneMacGowansTeeth
May 22, 2007



I think this is it... I think this is how it ends
Pizza Hut's "One Large Pizza and two sides for £19" is meant to be for two people, not one as I found out last night. Still nearly polished the whole lot off though

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jabby
Oct 27, 2010

Lady Demelza posted:

As delightfully lit as that peenpic was, I'd be worried it would poke a hole in a lung or something. Like a supercar looks great in the ad but would be hellish navigating the Gravelly Hill Interchange at rush hour.

I've never heard it called that before.

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