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Nebakenezzer posted:I dunno, maybe airships could fly unpressurized short-haul shuttle flights between cities? I mean, yeah, they could, but why would you want that? If you're interested in it for the novelty of being slowly airborne in a quiet, somewhat spacious environment and don't give a poo poo about reaching a destination efficiently, a hot air balloon seems even better.
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all of you are missing the obvious solution here: gyrocopter taxis.
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a patagonian cavy posted:all of you are missing the obvious solution here: gyrocopter taxis. Somewhere in Silicon Valley, a venture capitalist just got a hard-on and he doesn't know why.
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Mar 1, 2019 18:05
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PT6A posted:Somewhere in Silicon Valley, a venture capitalist just got a hard-on and he doesn't know why. https://www.americanautogyro.com/ These count right. They're totally not a deathtrap. 
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Mar 1, 2019 18:08
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How about utilizing the surface area of an airship for solar power? Are there photovoltaics light enough? Like in the hypothetical Good Ending to climate change could trains of non-emitting electric cargo airships not cross gaps in a supply chain where regular trains aren’t an option? That’s what the Airlander Buttship is for, right?
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Mar 1, 2019 18:17
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Nebakenezzer posted:AIRSHIPS! Have you heard of Charles Dellschau?   He was the draftsman and historian for the Sonora Aero Club, a California ballooning group that was active in the 1850s and 60s. or were they?  Here's a good podcast and blog post about him
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Mar 1, 2019 18:26
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Nebakenezzer posted:I dunno, maybe airships could fly unpressurized short-haul shuttle flights between cities? what's the value if you want to go on a cruise, which would be kind of cool if you made it better than the Hidenburg's cabin etc, wouldn't you want to do like, SE Alaska or the Bahamas or Lost Coast or coast of Maine?
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Mar 1, 2019 19:17
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:what's the value The speed of car, the ticket price of a plane and the all-weather performance of a competition sailing boat.
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Mar 1, 2019 19:27
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Ola posted:The speed of car, the ticket price of a plane and the all-weather performance of a competition sailing boat.
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^^ not clicking because I KNOW WHAT IT ISjoat mon posted:Have you heard of Charles Dellschau? I have not, thank you! Side question: are there any good aviation related podcasts out there? HookedOnChthonics posted:That’s what the Airlander Buttship is for, right? The Buttship is like the Lockheed airship - all about air-delivery of cargo to low infrastructure areas. When I think of things a modern airship could do well, it's mostly about lifting heavy poo poo at a low cost. While I hope that Google Billionaire's airship sparks a trend, I think passenger airship uses are gonna be limited until people get used to the technology - and even then, I suspect it's gonna be niche. I think Count Zeppelin and Wernher Von Braun were right, that aviation technology needs to be military initially so governments pay the big development costs and bring the tech to the point where commercial applications become viable. Really even with these modern airships most of the work was done by the military to make air cargo lifters and surveillance platforms; Lockheed and Airlander are just trying to take that work and get it commercial. As for green energy uses, the Airship is the only aircraft that could use power cells right now, out of the box. It's also the only vehicle, possibly, that doesn't have to worry about storage of hydrogen for that cell. Other technologies, like batteries or solar, I'm skeptical of being any sort of use. I just don't think the power/weight ratio or energy density is good enough to make it work, like in other aircraft. Don't know if you know about low-powered nuclear reactors, they might work  The idea of a modular airship skytrain is cool, though, I suspect it'd be a mostly niche thing because trains 1) can be electrified with enough work*, and 2) trains rarely give fucks about weather. *not a train expert, I just know electric freight trains are out there KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:what's the value It's ~*bespoke*~ [oh lord, not this] You could have cruises where it's not next to the sea/river? That's a whole NEW UNTAPPED MARKET for the cruise model!! [If you're gonna object "that's low margin and you want a whole new type of aircraft, why not do X where X is an existing technology", well, fair, but I'm treating your question as "what conceivable use is this" not "defend the business model you are proposing," because I think this is the stuff you could do, once the technology is accepted and matured.]
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An airship with a decent capacity could have a niche as a luxury cruise liner that can't trap you for a week in a Legionnaire's outbreak.
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FuturePastNow posted:An airship with a decent capacity could have a niche as a luxury cruise liner that can't trap you for a week in a Legionnaire's outbreak. How so? It's not like you're unable to get off a cruise ship for the entire duration of a cruise either.
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The only cruise I would ever consider going on would be around Svalbard and Greenland, mega arctic polar bear land. I would never ever consider staying in a cramped, expensive, buffet dinner hotel to see some Caribbean isle from afar. But to float above the ancient landscape of Spitsbergen, maybe seeing polar bears, hearing total silence, feeling like you're there quietly floating over an outpost, that I would pay for. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4cJnHJMG0A Maybe that's why Svalbard cruises are so expensive.
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Mar 1, 2019 22:00
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Without going full Dahiir Insaat on this, what about fixed-route airships drawing power from a ground supply via trailing wire? IE for short hops over bad terrain where putting up high-tension power line would be much less of a headache than level-grading and tunneling for a proper train. Honestly I used to just spend hours in Open Transport Tycoon mucking around with low-speed high-thoroughput airship hauling lines and playing Crimson Skies and have some leftover affection for the idea 
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HookedOnChthonics posted:Without going full Dahiir Insaat on this, what about fixed-route airships drawing power from a ground supply via trailing wire? IE for short hops over bad terrain where putting up high-tension power line would be much less of a headache than level-grading and tunneling for a proper train. buddy this is full dahiir insaat he has literally already designed this thing the economics on your idea are... bad
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Classic Dahir Insaat  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HfvS68aMIc
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e.pilot posted:Classic Dahir Insaat I like the people just casually walking through the downblast of a hovering traincar.
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e.pilot posted:Classic Dahir Insaat To set aside all of the technological, materials science, and impracticality issues with this, even if you had some magic unobtanium that let you make this thing a reasonable endeavor, how is this thing supposed to make an emergency landing? How is Dahir Insaat able to come up with these stupid videos that are not just ridiculous, but like, fractals of ridiculousness?
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^ LSD and or asking grade school kids what they think is cool and stealing their ideas
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SpaceX Crew Dragon Demo lauch is live: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZL0tbOZYhE
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e.pilot posted:Classic Dahir Insaat So would these either: 1.) Rip the track out of the ground and lose control or 2.) Stay attached and immediately nosedive into the ground or 3.) Remain attached to the track and controllable.
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Ola posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4cJnHJMG0A The flights are surprisingly cheap, if you're ever in Scandinavia and feel like being able to say you've been there.
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Previa_fun posted:So would these either: I think the real question to ask is "what kind of diamond-brilliant intellect does it take to conceive a replacement for a boring, safe, and efficient mode of transport, and make it slower, more lethal, and less efficient all in one go?" "What would it take to combine all the worst aspects of a plane, train and helicopter, without using the obvious answer of 'flimsy gondola suspended from explosive/irreplaceable lifting sack (aaaaaand poo poo, at least those are efficient)'?"
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:buddy this is full dahiir insaat he has literally already designed this thing Of course the economics are bad, the question was whether there’s a niche for it in a hypothetical eco-future that has presumably banned combustion-based engines vs. a train like give me some credit here :/ 
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USAF sent a cheeky tail number to Australia for an airshow. (not my pic)
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Y’all wanna watch Jerry nearly Vmc a plane? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7P3ZUl71-wo
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"OK, we're gettin' a little slow"
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There’s a been a thread at jetcareers.com running for the past two years chronicling Jerry’s exploits.
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See, I was taught: control, power, drag, identify, verify, cause checks if situation permits, feather (set zero thrust for demonstration purposes, don't actually shove the prop lever into feather). Apparently Jerry's way is: control, ramble on for a while, cause check, power, approach Vmc roll, shove prop lever back into feather and then back to full fine, and then I stopped watching because Christ alive it's painful to watch. This guy is not good, and unlike some YouTube pilots who aren't perfect but have good insight into the things they've hosed up, he shows absolutely no awareness that he's a horrible fuckup. As an "instructor" his technique is awful too. If you're demonstrating a situation like that, you brief what you're going to do before you do it, you do it at normal speed saying what you're doing without explaining, then you restore the aircraft to a normal configuration and explain what you just did.
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Platystemon posted:There’s a been a thread at jetcareers.com running for the past two years chronicling Jerry’s exploits. Is that the same guy who almost landed gear-up but didn't realize it until his props hit the runway, did the go around, then flew another hour or whatever back home?
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two_beer_bishes posted:Is that the same guy who almost landed gear-up but didn't realize it until his props hit the runway, did the go around, then flew another hour or whatever back home? I'm sorry what
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two_beer_bishes posted:Is that the same guy who almost landed gear-up but didn't realize it until his props hit the runway, did the go around, then flew another hour or whatever back home? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPbxIrprato This incident? Not the same guy. https://forums.liveatc.net/atcaviation-audio-clips/looking-for-more-on-aerostar-n7502s-'gear-up-touch-and-go'-and-flight-to-flx/ http://web.archive.org/web/20160504160426/http://www.wsvn.com/story/28885459/pilot-takes-off-without-use-of-landing-gear 
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two_beer_bishes posted:Is that the same guy who almost landed gear-up but didn't realize it until his props hit the runway, did the go around, then flew another hour or whatever back home? That’s completely unsurprising to me. We had a guy start up one of our 172s, taxi into an orange cone with a tie-down chain in it, and then go flying without checking for prop damage first. And that was on the ground, where it’s totally easy to simply shut down and take a look! PS there was in fact significant damage
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Youtube commenter: You had a stall warning while demonstrating an engine out. Jerry: It's ok the stall warning is out of adjustment.
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Aviation always carries some risk and the vast majority of pilots I've seen are incredibly serious about minimizing it, but the way some people fly, you'd swear they had a dream about an airplane-shaped hole in the ground and are compelled by some supernatural force to find it  "This is my hole! It was made for
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Jerry was a Cessna driver He flew so goddamned fast Always did land no navigation flags But he never did come in stabilized
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Jerry was a Cessna driver He'd say "Air Wagner number one" With a AOPA sticker on his 414 He'd light 'em up at 100ft just for fun
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Flyin' that plane High on cocaine Jerry Wagner, better Watch your speed
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i blew that up in ace combat
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The more I watch that video the more there is to see. “Yeah checking the gauges is how you confirm the dead engine” No, it’s not actually. You could have a dead ignition system and the engine out there windmilling away and all indications will be more or less normal. Verify by rudder inputs and confirm by slowly moving the thrust levers slightly. “Raise the dead engine” Literally as he’s banking into the dead engine “When you’re in cruise like this if you want to continue to your destination, no problem”  Also holy poo poo he was close to Vmc rolling that thing. Huge control input towards the good engine as it yaws towards the bad engine, while the stall horn is going off. “And you feather (grabs handful of prop lever) well we’re not going to feather” “Can’t make abrupt turns” TURNS ABRUPTLY INTO BAD ENGINE “We have the ATIS” “What was the ATIS” If this guy wasn’t seriously risking the the lives of himself and his passengers I’d think this was an extremely well executed troll, but anybody that could intentionally do these maneuvers this poorly just to troll people would know better.
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