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infernal machines posted:there are a lot of stories about it trying to match speeds with merging vehicles and one instance i've seen on video where it tried to merge into an adjacent vehicle in stopped traffic. that and not reliably detecting actual "lanes" as opposed to "marks on the road" would give me pause. but good luck they gave me a 30 day trial for the enhanced autopilot, we took a 5,000 mile road trip during that trial, and a few times it did match the speed of vehicles next to us, it was weird. I don’t think any driver assistance features should be trusted without paying attention, Tesla or not, but having them really helps with fatigue.
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infernal machines posted:ah, but that's adaptive cruise control/autopilot, FSD is a whole 'nother ballgame pay attention. last week Elon moved the goalposts and declared mission accomplished. Full Self Driving now just means navigate on autopilot (which is where it changes lanes without a rear-view radar), autopark, which is hopeless, and summon, which is hopeless. and you have to meet your hands on the wheel. it’s fully self-driving!
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oh god dammit, there goes my market. here i was forgetting words mean anything we want now and previous claims about features or performance for a product we've already sold to consumers do not in any way obligate us to satisfy them.
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infernal machines posted:oh god dammit, there goes my market. here i was forgetting words mean anything we want now and previous claims about features or performance for a product we've already sold to consumers do not in any way obligate us to satisfy them. yeah thats why i was demanding the suicide truck functionality
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drgitlin posted:pay attention. last week Elon moved the goalposts and declared mission accomplished. Full Self Driving now just means navigate on autopilot (which is where it changes lanes without a rear-view radar)  you’d think being able to detect cars behind you would be necessary for that
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fishmech posted:yeah thats why i was demanding the suicide truck functionality welp. fishmeched again My Linux Rig posted:
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navigate on autopilot is hilariously bad. changing lanes doesn’t work half the time even when the road’s clear, and taking off/on ramps would result in huge speed reductions you’d feel like someone’s gonna rear end you
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If it had any capacity to check the lane before changing it wouldn't be a true Tesla driving experience
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what does it take to get the FTC to step in if not going from "it will drive itself, without you in it from coast to coast" to "it cannot in any way drive itself, you must be in full control of the vehicle at all times" in regards to a product you've been selling for three years?
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I just looked up that lack of rear radar and they use rear cameras instead? wouldn’t radar be way more reliable? am I misunderstanding something here? just seems like a really bad choice
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they didn't use radar anywhere until AP2, in 2014 even that one was a pencil beam pointing out the front. they try to do everything optically, you may wonder if this has anything to do with the inability to determine stationary objects from moving ones while at speed. shut up infernal machines fucked around with this message at 02:08 on Mar 5, 2019 |
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My Linux Rig posted:I just looked up that lack of rear radar and they use rear cameras instead? wouldn’t radar be way more reliable? am I misunderstanding something here? just seems like a really bad choice yeah but you can't buy a radar on alibaba for pennies like you can with webcams. checkmate fud libtard
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drgitlin posted:(which is where it changes lanes without a rear-view radar), how the gently caress haven't these people been arrested
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when you’re going balls out towards a fire truck you don’t need to worry about anyone coming up from behind
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does that mean if I had a laser pointer (or bright enough lights) and good aim, I could potentially cause an autopilot Tesla to side swipe a car behind it?
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My Linux Rig posted:I just looked up that lack of rear radar and they use rear cameras instead? wouldn’t radar be way more reliable? am I misunderstanding something here? just seems like a really bad choice sensor fusion is hard and you get spurious signals/reflections form a lot of random crap with radar. so it's a lot easier to ignore it and use your optical system instead My Linux Rig posted:does that mean if I had a laser pointer (or bright enough lights) and good aim, I could potentially cause an autopilot Tesla to side swipe a car behind it? you mean like driving into the setting sun? yeah, probably. that's one weakness it shares with humans, for obvious reasons. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCSrI2R7I5U
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My Linux Rig posted:does that mean if I had a laser pointer (or bright enough lights) and good aim, I could potentially cause an autopilot Tesla to side swipe a car behind it? it is going to get tricky when LIDAR gets more noisey...
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you’d think they would use both a camera and radar to compensate for that though
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that falls under "sensor fusion is hard"
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there was a thing a while back about autopilot being set to straight up ignore the radar completely in map areas tagged as overpasses because otherwise the reflections would cause the collision avoidance to emergency brake so - cameras can't reliably detect stationary objects above 50mph (or at all in many conditions) - radar can't reliably detect anything in ??? circumstances - lidar is expensive infernal machines fucked around with this message at 02:31 on Mar 5, 2019 |
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infernal machines posted:there was a thing a while back about autopilot being set to straight up ignore the radar completely in map areas tagged as overpasses because otherwise the reflections would cause the collision avoidance to emergency brake it’s a miracle these things don’t crash more often on autopilot that just seems like pretty terrible design not to have redundant sensors for a feature like that.
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My Linux Rig posted:you’d think they would use both a camera and radar to compensate for that though They already are compensating for a hell of a lot
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infernal machines posted:what does it take to get the FTC to step in if not going from "it will drive itself, without you in it from coast to coast" to "it cannot in any way drive itself, you must be in full control of the vehicle at all times" in regards to a product you've been selling for three years? A large pile of dead bodies. One bigger than Tesla’s current body count.
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infernal machines posted:they didn't use radar anywhere until AP2, in 2014 what? This is categorically untrue. Even the first Model Ss has a forward-looking radar sensor, adaptive cruise control won’t work without it.
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drgitlin posted:A large pile of dead bodies. One bigger than Tesla’s current body count. what is Tesla’s body count anyway, have they reached triple digits yet?
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drgitlin posted:what? This is categorically untrue. Even the first Model Ss has a forward-looking radar sensor, adaptive cruise control won’t work without it. okay, then i am very mistaken. i thought ap1 didn't have it and some of tesla's own materials suggest it wasn't added until 2014
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infernal machines posted:okay, then i am very mistaken. i thought ap1 didn't have it and some of tesla's own materials suggest it wasn't added until 2014 it’s possible they didn’t have the system until 2014, but AP1 was mobileye optical sensors and a Bosch radar, I’m positive.
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yeah, i'm confusing things ap1 had it, pre-2014 ap1 wasn't a thing
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infernal machines posted:straight up, i will sell you FSD with feature parity for any tesla model that currently is offered with FSD for only $2000. now you're granny driving, not double FSD bumpin like you should
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Chris Knight posted:now you're granny driving, not double FSD bumpin like you should
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Endless Mike posted:yeah but you can't buy a radar on alibaba for pennies like you can with webcams. checkmate fud libtard in fact you can buy the exact microwave modules used in nearly all radar cruise control systems on alibaba/aliexpress for $2.30 https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Fas.../714490970.html you need some more components to process the signal and interface with a computer, and you might want to get actual brand name ones instead of whatever fell out of the QC reject bin on its way to the dump, but under 20 bucks for the whole sensor package is totally realistic and they couldn't be bothered to stick one of those on every corner of the car as a backup "THERE IS A BIG METAL THING HERE" detector
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My Linux Rig posted:what is Tesla’s body count anyway, have they reached triple digits yet? how would you know?
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infernal machines posted:truly, only the dead have seen the end of fatigue
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:how would you know? Somewhere in the distance, Elon Musk is humming the rhythm to "the dead can't testify"
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China says nope: https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-china-tesla/china-suspends-customs-clearance-for-tesla-model-3-imports-caixin-idUKKCN1QM196
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infernal machines posted:okay, then i am very mistaken. i thought ap1 didn't have it and some of tesla's own materials suggest it wasn't added until 2014 yeah, i think this is just a case of confusing the original competent (for the intended purpose of adaptive cruise control etc.) mobileye system and what tesla threw together when mobileye told them to go gently caress themselves (correctly predicting from teslas lax use of the system that they were otherwise getting tangled up in guillotining people)
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drgitlin posted:China says nope: https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-china-tesla/china-suspends-customs-clearance-for-tesla-model-3-imports-caixin-idUKKCN1QM196 oh man, this is certainly not what tesla needed right now. don't need to get terribly fantastical to predict that they'll struggle to make it through this year now.
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drgitlin posted:China says nope: https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-china-tesla/china-suspends-customs-clearance-for-tesla-model-3-imports-caixin-idUKKCN1QM196 This is just a continuation of China's policy of rejecting shipments of foreign trash
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Sagebrush posted:in fact you can buy the exact microwave modules used in nearly all radar cruise control systems on alibaba/aliexpress for $2.30 you don't even need an external antenna for that, right?
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