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Sodomy Hussein posted:Alpha Protocol is pretty shamefully bad and I smdh at goons who have been hyping it for 10 years now. More than the sum of its parts, qed
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Sodomy Hussein posted:Alpha Protocol is pretty shamefully bad and I smdh at goons who have been hyping it for 10 years now. Its cool and good actually and still the gold standard for plot reactivity in games, but the way most people only play a game once and never touch it again runs counter to the 'this same interaction with the guy in Rome can have like seven different outcomes based on how you talk to him, your reputation prior to now, your intel recieved from another guy you may or may not have talked to etc' design. Admittedly the combat was bad even at the time and you can almost see where content was cut but the fact that people were still finding new significant variations years later is Good Game Design (just not the kind that most people care about)
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Mar 8, 2019 21:24
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Sodomy Hussein posted:Alpha Protocol is pretty shamefully bad and I smdh at goons who have been hyping it for 10 years now. Lol, shamefully bad my rear end. But whatever, I don't really give a gently caress if you hated it, so long as you actually tried it before forming an opinion. If you're saying that poo poo without having tried it, well, I still don't care, but just lol.
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Mar 8, 2019 21:26
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pnumoman posted:Lol, shamefully bad my rear end. But whatever, I don't really give a gently caress if you hated it, so long as you actually tried it before forming an opinion. If you're saying that poo poo without having tried it, well, I still don't care, but just lol. Weirdest tough guy reaction I've seen in a long time.
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Mar 8, 2019 21:37
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I've heard a ton about Alpha Protocol through the years and my take away has always been "As long as I don't have to play it or look at it, Obsidian can make a really great game" and I'm pretty sure that's not the message people want to communicate
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Mar 8, 2019 21:46
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It... is functional
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Mar 8, 2019 21:47
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Glenn Quebec posted:Weirdest tough guy reaction I've seen in a long time. Weirdest tough guy reaction to a tough guy reaction I've seen in a long time.
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Mar 8, 2019 21:51
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Hmm, nice attempt but I don't see it.
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Mar 8, 2019 21:54
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Maybe by 2010 standards it was nonfunctional, but now we live in an age where games are released from industry veterans which brick your playstation and where it's not clear that upgrading your weapons does anything at all. Imagine a version of Fallout 76 where "the combat isn't very good" was even the tenth worst thing about it
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Mar 8, 2019 22:04
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Bethesda just wiping their brows going phewwww that was close!
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Mar 8, 2019 22:05
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Is the bug still in where if you quick loaded sometimes all the enemies would despawn?
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Mar 8, 2019 22:06
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Meyers-Briggs Testicle posted:alpha protocol was really fun and not very buggy in my experience so A delayed game CAN eventually be good. Delaying something does not magically make it better, it just gives you more time to fix your poo poo (or not).
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Mar 8, 2019 22:12
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idk what to tell ya dude lol
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2house2fly posted:Maybe by 2010 standards it was nonfunctional, but now we live in an age where games are released from industry veterans which brick your playstation and where it's not clear that upgrading your weapons does anything at all. Imagine a version of Fallout 76 where "the combat isn't very good" was even the tenth worst thing about it Some random employees EA threw in a shed with 'Bioware' scrawled on it in feces is not 'industry veterans' and this is still also completely unacceptable and not really the 'norm' so yeah AP would still be pretty bad by standards today chief
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Mar 8, 2019 22:22
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Alpha Protocol has the guy who voices Tigger screaming about killing hostages. That's pretty cool.
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Mar 8, 2019 22:26
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Magmarashi posted:Some random employees EA threw in a shed with 'Bioware' scrawled on it in feces is not 'industry veterans' and this is still also completely unacceptable and not really the 'norm' so yeah AP would still be pretty bad by standards today chief Yeah all right calm down, I'm just trying to suggest that stuff like "not functional" is hyperbole
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Mar 8, 2019 23:18
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Sodomy Hussein posted:Alpha Protocol is pretty shamefully bad and I smdh at goons who have been hyping it for 10 years now. Alpha Protocol is my single favorite game that I would never recommend to anyone. The gelato shop sequence alone makes up for all the jank for me, but I wouldn't expect anybody else to feel the same way.
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Mar 9, 2019 00:21
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pnumoman posted:Lol, shamefully bad my rear end. But whatever, I don't really give a gently caress if you hated it, so long as you actually tried it before forming an opinion. If you're saying that poo poo without having tried it, well, I still don't care, but just lol. No I played it and could see it had some things going on with the storyline that were cool as heck. But it was also really obviously an unfinished game and the actual gameplay was straight-up dreadful.
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Mar 9, 2019 00:37
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Sodomy Hussein posted:No I played it and could see it had some things going on with the storyline that were cool as heck. But it was also really obviously an unfinished game and the actual gameplay was straight-up dreadful. That's fair; I'll definitely admit it's unfinished and buggy, and while I personally didn't mind the combat, I can definitely understand people who call it dreadful. I'm just sad no game since has been nearly as ambitious with their storytelling.
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Mar 9, 2019 00:49
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There's levels of unfinished as we have seen in recent years. Alpha Protocol is leagues above say 76.
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Mar 9, 2019 00:50
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Alpha Protocol owns. Anyone who can't handle its delightful character quirks clearly lacks fortitude and frontier spirit.
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Mar 9, 2019 00:57
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Alpha Protocol is amazing. Lol at calling it unplayable in a thread about fallout 76
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Mar 9, 2019 02:21
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alpha protocol is the quintessential western rpg: great characters, diverging plotlines, choices that matter, an interesting perk system, and cool concepts that all slam against gameplay that is basically broken. i love it
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Mar 9, 2019 02:33
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corn in the bible posted:Alpha Protocol is amazing. Lol at calling it unplayable in a thread about fallout 76 That Nietzsche quote about monsters but instead its about trolling F76 There were a few instances itt where we hit peak trolling and "fallout has literally never been good nor has any obsidian or black isle game" got thrown around and it was like, c'mon man, let's reel it back
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Wolfsheim posted:That Nietzsche quote about monsters but instead its about trolling F76 Haha yeah it is a good thread
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Mar 9, 2019 05:16
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I watched an lp of alpha protocol. It did not shy away from the games flaws but i will admit the story was fun.
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Mar 9, 2019 06:03
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ZeusCannon posted:It did not shy away from the games flaws but i will admit the story was fun. That’s the box quote for pretty much all Obsidian games, isn’t it?
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Mar 9, 2019 06:05
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Meyers-Briggs Testicle posted:alpha protocol was really fun and not very buggy in my experience so I'm laughing that you just called Shigeru Miyamoto of all people a noob developer. 
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Mar 9, 2019 06:09
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amigolupus posted:I'm laughing that you just called Shigeru Miyamoto of all people a noob developer. 
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Mar 9, 2019 06:12
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I would consider Alpha Protocol’s gameplay to be OK and it’s story and reactivity to be unequaled. I liked it heaps, though. I think I played through it about 4-5 times just to see what was possible
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Mar 9, 2019 06:19
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corn in the bible posted:Alpha Protocol is amazing. Lol at calling it unplayable in a thread about fallout 76 This is true but at the same time the floor being lowered isn't going to change people's opinions retroactively.
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Mar 9, 2019 06:24
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Schneider Inside Her posted:I would consider Alpha Protocol’s gameplay to be OK and it’s story and reactivity to be unequaled. I liked it heaps, though. I think I played through it about 4-5 times just to see what was possible AP's reactivity is fantastic, but its story and characters oscillate between dull and embarassingly tacky. The premise is great, but it's one of the worst written Obsidian games.
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Twincityhacker posted:I am a girl, and I like playing girls in games. Being a guy I always play a guy in video games, I'm just bad at role-playing, I always end up approximating myself in terms of appearance and morality. Although I'm a goony loser and not a badass in real life, so I guess there's some role-playing involved In a game with a defined protagonist I don't care though, it's mind-boggling that anyone could have a problem with being 'forced' to play a woman. Deadguy2322 posted:The only game I made a female player character in was Demon’s Souls, since there was some female-only equipment that made life easier, and in a Souls game you take every break you can get. This was also my reason to switch genders mid-game in Dragon's Dogma Phlegmish fucked around with this message at 12:18 on Mar 9, 2019 |
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Yeah, the plot itself is pretty much spy fiction pastiche (the style guide for the dialogue options was literally Bond/Bourne/Bauer) and the fun of the story is the level of control you have over how you move through it. That is to say, the story may not be that good, but the choices and consequences are because they either feel cool or let you do what you'd naturally want to in that situation. That game is pretty much the reason why I think getting good choices, and payoffs for your choices, matters more in an RPG than being well-written in and of itself. Another example, in Pillars Of Eternity there's a bit where one of your party has to do something which will result in being trapped underwater and drowning, and you can literally lose a party member from it. Tough choice! But you also have a unique item which summons ogres, so you can just summon the ogres and have them do it. Or if you have the party member who's a robot you can have her do it and she'll walk out because she doesn't need to breathe. Regardless of how well-written that bit is, it has good choices available so it's memorable to me
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Mar 9, 2019 12:25
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I'm a girl and normally play girls but I played male characters in World of Warcraft, for no reason other than I played Horde and the female versions of Horde races (Blood Elves aside) look ridiculous and male gazey even though they're zombies and beast people.
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Mar 9, 2019 12:39
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They had to change both the troll female and tauren female in World of Warcraft because of player backlash that those models were not pretty enough. So they prettied them up and no one played them anyway. I guess players just didn't want to look at them when they appeared?? World of Warcraft handles female characters really badly. The Pandaren and Werewolf females look loving grotesque, like some furry bait that went wrong
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Mar 9, 2019 13:34
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Alpha Protocol: A Game of Contrasts
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Mar 9, 2019 13:53
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Collapsing Farts posted:They had to change both the troll female and tauren female in World of Warcraft because of player backlash that those models were not pretty enough. So they prettied them up and no one played them anyway. I guess players just didn't want to look at them when they appeared?? The sexy dancing zebra centaur (?) poster on the wall in the Ultima 6 intro sends its regards.
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Collapsing Farts posted:They had to change both the troll female and tauren female in World of Warcraft because of player backlash that those models were not pretty enough. So they prettied them up and no one played them anyway. I guess players just didn't want to look at them when they appeared?? 
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2house2fly posted:Yeah, the plot itself is pretty much spy fiction pastiche (the style guide for the dialogue options was literally Bond/Bourne/Bauer) and the fun of the story is the level of control you have over how you move through it. That is to say, the story may not be that good, but the choices and consequences are because they either feel cool or let you do what you'd naturally want to in that situation. That game is pretty much the reason why I think getting good choices, and payoffs for your choices, matters more in an RPG than being well-written in and of itself. Compare and contrast to the ending of Fallout 3, where you can have one of multiple companions who won’t be harmed by radiation insist you sacrifice yourself when they could just go into that chamber for you...
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