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prefect posted:If you get one of those "AI rebellion is coming events", like when you are asked if you want to overclock your computers, can you prevent the revolt by immediately granting AIs full citizenship? Any uprising-related events that have already been triggered will still happen (machine uprising events have a delay from half a year to two and a half when triggered by a warning sign), but no new ones can fire. So yes, unless you got really unlucky and the first warning sign event triggered the uprising (about a 1% chance I think?).
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Uhhh guys what the gently caress.... did they gently caress with pop growth on low-habitability planets? Because I just loaded up a saved game (from the test server, so 2.2.6 mind you) and I'm getting zero growth on my low-hab planets. My strat has always been to colonize all planets up to ten pops, even the 5% ones, because they were essentially free pop growth. I'm a bit pissed if they nerfed this.
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Mar 25, 2019 16:31
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prefect posted:If you get one of those "AI rebellion is coming events", like when you are asked if you want to overclock your computers, can you prevent the revolt by immediately granting AIs full citizenship? It bums me out that there is a: yes robots have souls option in one of those events. I feel like choosing that should do something if one is playing spirtualists, maybe let the player give them full rights.
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Mar 25, 2019 16:36
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Preston Waters posted:Uhhh guys what the gently caress.... did they gently caress with pop growth on low-habitability planets?
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Mar 25, 2019 16:54
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Splicer posted:Oh god I hope so, but that is not going to play anything close to nice with the single pop at once system. wtf why would you dislike that feature? It just makes the game that much more boring.
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Mar 25, 2019 17:04
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Preston Waters posted:wtf why would you dislike that feature? It just makes the game that much more boring. It leads to lots of sub optimal pop growth on planets - the idea is to get pops that are actually suited to a particular planet type to grow there. That way you aren’t constantly growing pops that take huge amounts of consumer goods.
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Mar 25, 2019 17:31
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Dreissi posted:It leads to lots of sub optimal pop growth on planets - the idea is to get pops that are actually suited to a particular planet type to grow there. That way you aren’t constantly growing pops that take huge amounts of consumer goods. Preston Waters posted:wtf why would you dislike that feature? It just makes the game that much more boring.
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Mar 25, 2019 17:47
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There isn't a habitability restriction on main species pops, considering even life-seeded pops will grow on colonies. However, biotrophies will decline on very low habitability worlds, so IDK what is going on here
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Mar 25, 2019 18:55
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Preston Waters posted:Uhhh guys what the gently caress.... did they gently caress with pop growth on low-habitability planets? I really hope not, sometimes (often) you really want those garbage planets, extra costs be damned.
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Mar 25, 2019 19:02
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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Every planet and Habitat is another 16 building slots by default. That's still valuable even if it's a hellhole, and even if half of them end up maintaining the planet. More research, more unity, more alloys, more consumer goods, more rare resources(by direct harvesting if the deposits are there or making your own if they're not).
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Mar 25, 2019 19:16
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prefect posted:So I colonize this planet. Turns out there's abandoned terraforming stuff on it. Flip that switch, whoops turned it into a tomb world and "millions of colonists die". It turns out the planet was the egg of a space dragon and the planet splits apart like a rotten egg after killing everyone again Poil posted:
Personally, I like the other outcome better. The one with the parallel universe where there is only warp, instead of only hyperlanes. With warp monsters trying to destroy everything and you get occasional events based on how the war is going
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Mar 25, 2019 20:38
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Im new to this game, But I was trucking along and then suddenly all my resouces went into -100 figures. I think its something to do with my planets but I'm not sure what happened or even where to begin looking.
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Mar 25, 2019 20:50
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Preston Waters posted:Uhhh guys what the gently caress.... did they gently caress with pop growth on low-habitability planets? You've got something going on that isn't the main game. Either a mod or something that you are overlooking, like lack of housing. I just made a fresh game, and a 10% hab planet functions exactly as before: 3 base growth, -50% when a colony, full growth after size 10. That said, they *should* nerf that. Hab% is a joke of a stat currently, and the current system is "colonize everything always" which is a non-choice that punishes people who don't leverage it (in MP games) and the AI in general (the AI not doing resettling is another thing that puts them behind the curve in terms of economic strength).
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Mar 25, 2019 20:51
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Yet another thing that the one pop at a time thing really limits.
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Mar 25, 2019 20:55
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Splicer posted:Yet another thing that the one pop at a time thing really limits. What would more than one pop at a time fix or change?
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Mar 25, 2019 21:07
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ZypherIM posted:What would more than one pop at a time fix or change? It would let them harshly penalize growth for low-hab pops without making it so the planet never grows. If every pop grew at a rate based on habitability, then your planets would naturally self-select higher habitability species, assuming they're allowed on the planet. Right now if you set a 0% habitability pop to needing 100 years to grow (just as an extreme example) and a 100% habitability pop needing 2, a planet with 1 0% hab pop and 1 100% hab pop would take 100 years to get its third pop if the dice rolled badly and there'd be nothing you could do about it. Zurai fucked around with this message at 21:22 on Mar 25, 2019 |
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Mar 25, 2019 21:20
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ZypherIM posted:What would more than one pop at a time fix or change? To a lesser extent this also applies to the declining mechanic.
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Mar 25, 2019 21:21
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I suppose you could kludge something where pop growth is limited by the highest habitability pop on the planet? So your planet grows slow until a high habitability guy settles there, then everyone gets full growth when they're growing but the low pop guys get put in the slot considerably less frequently (like now). But that seems kind of kludgey and could have weird edge cases. e: or you could go by the best pop in your empire, like the habitability rating on the main screen. So if you dumped a pair of 20% guys out on a colony ship when you have a 100% guy elsewhere then those two guys would probably go into decline while it fills up with the other guy. Splicer fucked around with this message at 21:34 on Mar 25, 2019 |
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Mar 25, 2019 21:28
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Zurai posted:It would let them harshly penalize growth for low-hab pops without making it so the planet never grows. If every pop grew at a rate based on habitability, then your planets would naturally self-select higher habitability species, assuming they're allowed on the planet. Ah I see what you mean. This causes the problem of multi-racial empires outstripping single race empires by far though. Or the best tech would be the one that lets you change your hab preference, because now you've got at least 3x the growth rate (in-biome growth rates).
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Mar 25, 2019 21:32
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ZypherIM posted:Ah I see what you mean. I think part of the issue with a pop growth model is that you kind of have to figure out what you want it to look like absent a bunch of poking and prodding.
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Mar 25, 2019 22:17
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Speaking of pop growths, I've been experimenting with zero consumer goods builds, and I was having population issues with my syncretic Fanatic Hypocrites (FanEgal + Xenophobes that enslave the serviles), but I think I nailed it down with Nonadaptive on the main race and Slow Breeders on the plebs which nets a 1:4 growth ratio.
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Mar 25, 2019 22:22
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Nessus posted:I think it would be OK if multispecies empires got SOME clear and unambiguous advantages. You could probably find ways to allow Blorg supremacist empires to stay in the game without building tons of robots. Well multipop empires do have clear advantages now (especially with 2.2.6 tweaks to growth), in that they can usually make better use of all planet types, and having pops with different strengths gives a more flexible workforce in general. Immigration is also really powerful. That's why the generally single pop empires (Xenophobes, Hives, Inward Perfectionists) get growth bonuses in the first place.
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Mar 25, 2019 22:30
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DarkRenown I just had an absolutely genuinely amazing idea and seriously you need to do this. Right now Terraforming is dumb. The first tech is effectively to add 20% hab. By the time you can turn something you don't want to live on into something you can you probably have someone else living there. That's lame! You can't drop iceteroids onto deserts or darken the skies of Earth until you don't need to. And terraforming mars or restoring a tomb world is right at the end of the terraforming tree. That's the fun stuff! By the time you can do they're just one world among dozens. They're victory laps. So swap it around! First you get a tech to change between climates, but the exact climate is random. You can terraform to dry, but you don't get to choose between savannah vs desert vs arid, because you're just dumping a bunch of desiccant packets into the oceans and hoping for the best. You unlock the tech to choose the exact type much later. Same for climate restoration, unlock it much earlier than now to turn terraforming candidates into something roughly like home but you still need the later tech to make it perfectly home. You get terraforming options worth using much earlier, but they're obviously primitive and there's still an obvious upgrade for later. Go oooooon it'd be awesome. Splicer fucked around with this message at 22:39 on Mar 25, 2019 |
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Mar 25, 2019 22:36
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ZypherIM posted:Ah I see what you mean. This is pretty easy to solve. Use the fastest growth rate on the planet, but use habitability to weight the die roll. So yes, technically your aliens suck on a desert world, but the pop will come out at the same time as one of the desert-loving aliens would have because you're only getting 20% as many desert-haters as desert lovers. You end up with the same population proportions at the end, without the undesirable effect of having to wait a gillion years if the random growing pop has slow growth.
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Mar 25, 2019 22:42
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Mar 25, 2019 22:49
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Splicer posted:DarkRenown I just had an absolutely genuinely amazing idea and seriously you need to do this. That sounds like one of the most frustratingly annoying things to have ever. Dumping a bunch of energy and time and have a chance that you'll roll bad and have to do it again, no thanks. I don't disagree with the premise, but I'd say that you should push for crazy sci-fi tropes instead, so you get a terraforming option to crack open the crust of the planet for mining or whatever. You might even adjust down on hab% in exchange for other bonuses, indicating that "yea, it costs a lot to run a mining operation in hell but look at the output!" PittTheElder posted:Well multipop empires do have clear advantages now (especially with 2.2.6 tweaks to growth), in that they can usually make better use of all planet types, and having pops with different strengths gives a more flexible workforce in general. Immigration is also really powerful. Not all single race setups are able to take advantage of those options as well, for example doing a single race trading based empire. Warmachine posted:This is pretty easy to solve. Use the fastest growth rate on the planet, but use habitability to weight the die roll. So yes, technically your aliens suck on a desert world, but the pop will come out at the same time as one of the desert-loving aliens would have because you're only getting 20% as many desert-haters as desert lovers. I mean, it looks like it'd address the issue they're talking about, but it also is still single pop growth. So then we loop back to my original question, which is what is the point of pushing to move away from single pop growth?
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ZypherIM posted:That sounds like one of the most frustratingly annoying things to have ever. Dumping a bunch of energy and time and have a chance that you'll roll bad and have to do it again, no thanks. I don't disagree with the premise, but I'd say that you should push for crazy sci-fi tropes instead, so you get a terraforming option to crack open the crust of the planet for mining or whatever. You might even adjust down on hab% in exchange for other bonuses, indicating that "yea, it costs a lot to run a mining operation in hell but look at the output!"
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Mar 25, 2019 23:11
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Splicer posted:DarkRenown I just had an absolutely genuinely amazing idea and seriously you need to do this. This is a good idea.
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Mar 25, 2019 23:14
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BoneMonkey posted:Im new to this game, But I was trucking along and then suddenly all my resouces went into -100 figures. I think its something to do with my planets but I'm not sure what happened or even where to begin looking. I sometimes get weird overflow with Science building up where it rolls over to -2 million and wont let me build things, even things that don't require science to build, until a few months later it's fine again.
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Mar 25, 2019 23:43
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Splicer posted:Why do it again? On a "bad" roll you've just turned a base 20% planet into a base 60% planet. That's a massive improvement. What's frustrating about that? Look at it the other way. You've got a 66% chance (2 in 3) to lose 20% hab.
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Mar 25, 2019 23:48
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ZypherIM posted:Look at it the other way. You've got a 66% chance (2 in 3) to lose 20% hab. Well a crucial thing to note is that Splicer's post is apparently written based on the old model, where the first tech let you terraform only within your climate group. Now that Terrestrial Sculpting gives you the ability to terraform all standard worlds into whatever you want, then yeah, it would make terraforming less rewarding than it is currently 66% of the time. But if we bring back the tech split, you could have the basic tech available earlier or cheaper or something, and then outcomes would be following (assuming single hab-preference, as we all seem to be doing):
But gaining 40% instead of 60% doesn't mean that you lost 20%.
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I like that a lot too, add a bunch of random terraforming related modifiers you can roll too.
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ZypherIM posted:You've got something going on that isn't the main game. Either a mod or something that you are overlooking, like lack of housing. I have no idea what the gently caress it was, but it just fixed itself after like 5 years??? wtf also why the gently caress am I losing over 10% of my fleet every time it makes a jump?
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Mar 26, 2019 00:13
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Preston Waters posted:I have no idea what the gently caress it was, but it just fixed itself after like 5 years??? wtf That has to be some mod you have installed, the base game doesn't do anything like that.
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Mar 26, 2019 00:25
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PittTheElder posted:That has to be some mod you have installed, the base game doesn't do anything like that.  I am playing the vanilla game because I only roll on Iron Man mode for cheeves don't assume my play-style, punk
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Mar 26, 2019 00:30
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I stopped playing following Megacorp's release and I want to get back into it. What's a good guide/series to explain the new planet mechanics? Are Criminal Organisations still hosed?
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Mar 26, 2019 00:36
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Blooming Brilliant posted:I stopped playing following Megacorp's release and I want to get back into it. What's a good guide/series to explain the new planet mechanics? Criminals aren't hosed, but don't really have big advantages over a normal xenophile corp. The only thing really is that if you get a galaxy of space assholes you aren't really effected. Districts make basic resources. Buildings make advanced resources. Alloys are for space stuff, consumer goods for planet stuff. Jobs are 3 strata: ruler, specialist, worker. Higher strata costs more to maintain, and people like those jobs better. So if you build a bunch of research jobs all your miners will stop mining to go work in the labs. So don't overbuild jobs or you can crash your economy.
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Mar 26, 2019 00:43
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Preston Waters posted:
Yeah but there is no 'lose ships on hyperlane jump' mechanic. Unless you mean emergency jumping out of combat, which can do that:
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ZypherIM posted:Criminals aren't hosed, but don't really have big advantages over a normal xenophile corp. The only thing really is that if you get a galaxy of space assholes you aren't really effected. Alright cool, thank you. Any other pitfalls/traps I should be aware of? Like can I still specialise planets or is that discouraged now?
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Splicer posted:So swap it around! First you get a tech to change between climates, but the exact climate is random. You can terraform to dry, but you don't get to choose between savannah vs desert vs arid, because you're just dumping a bunch of desiccant packets into the oceans and hoping for the best. You unlock the tech to choose the exact type much later. Why would this be random, exactly? quote:Same for climate restoration, unlock it much earlier than now to turn terraforming candidates into something roughly like home but you still need the later tech to make it perfectly home. You get terraforming options worth using much earlier, but they're obviously primitive and there's still an obvious upgrade for later. Just like the delicious trait suggestion you made that ended up being 100% cosmetic and kinda horrific from an RP standpoint this seems like time consuming fiddle to implement for something not too impactful. Ok now you can burn resources on terraforming earlier that if you are playing non ironman you reload if you don't get the desired type, and if you play ironman, I guess it's now a second source of RNG rolls in addition to the lootcrate stuff? I agree terraforming should be available earlier to provide meaningful choices as should most techs, I don't understand this "But we need to limit it and/or make it dumb in some way" mindset, again, of pre emptive nerfs. I really prefer to see Paradox working on larger redesigns rather than shuffling a few pieces around here and there. [edit] I remarked about people posting suggestions here but that's hypocritical. I just hope that Paradox has enough time to keep implementing meaningful changes and maybe they'll like this idea and decide to put it in 
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