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baka kaba posted:Well I mean you said standard driver packages aren't going away so people don't need to deal with DCH, I was giving an example where they have and you do? And Intel's own advice is quote:so they seem to think it's a bit more complicated than "it's the same driver it just comes in a different package", so the average user isn't going to want to deal with whatever rolling back involves You can't use "roll back driver" feature in the device manager. You can't use "uninstall device" or any other manual method of removing the driver. You can't install the old drivers over the top of the new ones. You can remove the driver using the Windows apps & features remove program control panel, after which you can do whatever you want. One reason for the DCH / Universal Windows Driver system is because most people can't janitor their drivers. If anyone hates & fears it, then learn to be an effective janitor. edit: another reason is that UWD is supposed to make some separation between the base driver and the OEM specific customization, so the whole "OEM only releases one driver update a year" thing goes away. Klyith fucked around with this message at 23:30 on Mar 28, 2019 |
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Well that's not too bad, thanks! I'll probably still wait it out but at least it's doable. Although their official advice talks about "if you need to do it call our support team and they'll decide on a case-by-case basis" which is a bit weird if it's a simple procedure, maybe there are still potential issues But yeah my point was people will have to deal with this, even if the old driver model is still supported, because here's a major hardware provider with an extremely common driver that's moving entirely to the new model, calling the old one "legacy" and saying "you can't roll back or it'll gently caress up". So they are mandatory in an end-user sense. Whether that actually matters to most people... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Mar 29, 2019 01:14
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Intel is also the company that declares products as end of life and then deletes all drivers for it, not even leaving any legacy ones for people stuck with old hardware. All in the interest of "consumer safety" because they won't fix bugs in the legacy stuff anymore. Or, to be more realistic, in the interest of laziness and maybe covering their own rear end. I'm not saying they should keep releasing security fixes indefinitely, but I am saying they should at least keep the most recent driver that still supports the piece of hardware available behind a big disclaimer. Them saying you can't go back from DCH because you'll gently caress it up is just a sign that they're too lazy to create a proper uninstaller.
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Ok I have done my due diligence trying to google this simple and (you would think) common question: the gently caress does DCH stand for?
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Mar 29, 2019 14:25
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Hipster_Doofus posted:Ok I have done my due diligence trying to google this simple and (you would think) common question: the gently caress does DCH stand for? Microsoft posted:
So, Declarative Componentized Hardware Support Apps.
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Mar 29, 2019 15:04
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tl,dr of this is, if I want lean NVidia drivers, and not that half a gigabyte package, I get the DCH one?
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Mar 29, 2019 15:29
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No wonder it was hard to get an answer.
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Mar 29, 2019 15:40
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Combat Pretzel posted:tl,dr of this is, if I want lean NVidia drivers, and not that half a gigabyte package, I get the DCH one?
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Mar 29, 2019 16:19
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Geemer posted:So, Declarative Componentized Hardware Support Apps. Ah, so that's why the new Konica Minolta drivers are installing a UWP app. A UWP app that stops sysprep from running because it installs to profiles without leaving a provisioning package on the system.
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Mar 29, 2019 16:43
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Crotch Fruit posted:That depends on whether or not you care about your frame rate in games. I think it was at least a year ago somewhere on SA where someone said the reason GPU drivers are so huge is because game developers suck. Modern video games often have poor performance when released until AMD/ATI or NVidia release a driver which tells the GPU how to actually run the game. Just telling the OS how to use the GPU is easy, but telling EA and other game publishers the proper way to use the hardware is a lost cause, thus drivers end up being huge. DCH drivers contain such logic as well, there's no real difference in size. It's the packaging format that's different.
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Mar 29, 2019 16:54
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Lambert posted:DCH drivers contain such logic as well, there's no real difference in size. It's the packaging format that's different.
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Mar 29, 2019 19:17
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The UWP requirements do mean that some of the other crap such things as GPU and printer drivers come with will be finally tossed or at least properly refactored for the first time in a decade.
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Mar 29, 2019 19:30
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Honestly, what I really hope is that it means that when you hit uninstall, it'll actually uninstall everything. I've got computers that are still running some Epson utility or service even though the Epson printer / scanner combo I had has been gone for years and I'm not going to reinstall Windows for just that.
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Mar 29, 2019 19:50
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Hipster_Doofus posted:No wonder it was hard to get an answer.
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Mar 29, 2019 22:41
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Ghostlight posted:The better name is Windows Modern Drivers which for some reason never seems to be abbreviated. Most people don't understand why its abbreviation is "BLT".
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Mar 29, 2019 23:21
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This is a long shot but does anyone know of any live screen translation software? I’ve spent the past few hours trying some and nothing really works. Google’s translation app on phones where you point the camera at the screen and have it translate in real time is great but I dont want to keep holding my phone up to the screen.
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Mar 30, 2019 00:13
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I posted in here a little while back about my wake timer being hosed up after upgrading to Windows 10. My computer would go to sleep after like five minutes, even when my power settings were set to sleep after thirty minutes. I have since tried: Resetting the power plan to default Changing to a different power plan Changing back to the original power plan Reinstalling Windows so that instead of an upgraded W7 install, it's running stock W10 Changing to a different power plan After all of this, it now goes to sleep after two minutes. It still says that it's going to sleep because the system is idle.
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StabMasterArson posted:This is a long shot but does anyone know of any live screen translation software? I’ve spent the past few hours trying some and nothing really works. Google’s translation app on phones where you point the camera at the screen and have it translate in real time is great but I dont want to keep holding my phone up to the screen. I don’t know about live but google translate is good for web browsing and can do images as well.
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Djeser posted:After all of this, it now goes to sleep after two minutes. It still says that it's going to sleep because the system is idle. Regedit HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Power\PowerSettings\238C9FA8-0AAD-41ED-83F4-97BE242C8F20\7bc4a2f9-d8fc-4469-b07b-33eb785aaca0 Set Attributes to 2 Go to Advanced power settings (click on Windows button, write power options, click on Power Options, in the selected plan click on the Change plan settings, click on the Change advanced power settings). Click on 'Change settings that are currently unavailable' Click Sleep, then System unattended sleep timeout, and change this setting from 2 Minutes to whatever.
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https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/Windows-IT-Pro-Blog/Windows-10-version-1809-designated-for-broad-deployment/ba-p/389540quote:Based on the data and the feedback we’ve received from consumers, OEMs, ISVs, partners, and commercial customers, Windows 10, version 1809 has transitioned to broad deployment. With this, the Windows 10 release information page will now reflect Semi-Annual Channel (SAC) for version 1809. We will continue to communicate for future releases the transition from targeted to broad deployment status. ....yeah, that's..... that's great, guys. Good work. Real good work, let me tell you.
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Mar 31, 2019 10:53
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Windows didn't pick up that the clocks 'sprang forward' last night. I had to flick the 'automatically adjust the time' setting off and on again before it set the time correctly.  vv What's silly is that W7 used to have a warning in the calendar/clock that popped up when you clicked the time in the taskbar, 'the clocks go forward at 2am in a week's time' etc. Of course they got rid of that for W10 because ?????, so here I am wondering why my phone and PC are showing different times spincube fucked around with this message at 11:10 on Mar 31, 2019 |
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Mar 31, 2019 10:59
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so I could say that I finally figured out what this god damned cube is doing. Get well Lowtax.
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I have a sneaking suspicion that if you were in the US it woulda worked just fine when we sprang forward earlier this month
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Mar 31, 2019 11:06
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Last Chance posted:I have a sneaking suspicion that if you were in the US it woulda worked just fine when we sprang forward earlier this month It worked just fine here as well. Also, lol @ part of the George W. Bush legacy being that he moved the daylight savings time.
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Worked fine for me, but a friend with the set time zone automatically option not enabled had his PC be stuck on standard time. Maybe it's got something to do with using a W7 upgrade install?  Mine is a clean install.spincube posted:vv What's silly is that W7 used to have a warning in the calendar/clock that popped up when you clicked the time in the taskbar, 'the clocks go forward at 2am in a week's time' etc. Of course they got rid of that for W10 because ?????, so here I am wondering why my phone and PC are showing different times I mean, if you seriously don't know when the DST changeover happens without your computer telling you then I don't know what to say. It should be pretty much immediately obvious and warnings like that are a relic from the era when automatic DST switching was still somewhat unusual.
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Mar 31, 2019 12:05
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Fortunately it seems like logic is finally taking over and we might be done with this daylight savings nonsense within the next decade or so.
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Mar 31, 2019 15:36
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Ghostlight posted:Try this: Thanks, I tried that out and hopefully that'll work.
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Mar 31, 2019 17:25
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Ruflux posted:I mean, if you seriously don't know when the DST changeover happens without your computer telling you then I don't know what to say. It should be pretty much immediately obvious and warnings like that are a relic from the era when automatic DST switching was still somewhat unusual. I always appreciated the early warning in previous Windows versions to remind me that it's coming up soon (and the exact date of the change), and I'm sure many others felt the same. It's nice that you may not have thought you needed it or appreciated its former existence, but if you can't understand that at least some people may have found it useful then I don't know what to say either.
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Mar 31, 2019 20:12
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Why is it Microsoft's job to tell you when dst starts and ends? If anything that seems like something you would want on your smartphone nowadays.
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Mar 31, 2019 20:38
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mystes posted:Why is it Microsoft's job to tell you when dst starts and ends? If anything that seems like something you would want on your smartphone nowadays. I.. uh.. wow.
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Mar 31, 2019 20:44
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mystes posted:Why is it Microsoft's job to tell you when dst starts and ends? Nobody's saying it was.
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Mar 31, 2019 21:17
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Seems like a good use for a notification at least
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Mar 31, 2019 22:24
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there are irreconcilable differences between the people who appreciate useful little notifications and the people who hate stupid annoying popups. the cycle of software is for these features to be added, exist long enough for the first group to take them for granted, and then be removed when the second group bitches about them. (also, any notification that isn't useful to you, the person receiving it, is a stupid annoying popup.)
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I dunno, I think a "yo the clock changed for daylight savings" self-hiding popup twice a year is pretty informative and unobtrusive. If that's too much for someone to handle then they could add a notification toggle in the Time and Date settings or whatever, but honestly this kind of thing is where it's better to just do it instead of making every single tiny thing configurable  You might get it more often if you're travelling to different countries, but that just makes it more useful imo. Time zones are hell
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Apr 1, 2019 01:05
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It's almost as though the correct solution is to let people configure what information they do and don't want
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Hopefully not a dumb question but on the File Explorer I clicked the 'Network' tab to drop-down and it showed a PC with some kind of unique identifier, and I have no idea what it is or why it's there? I tried to Google this and how to remove it because it looks like another PC is somehow connected to mine on the network which is bizarre considering I have the setting to 'public' so that the network is considered untrusted and the PC is presumably hidden and unable to connect to other devices. When I click on this PC-G8HF548 (that's the kind of name it has) there's nothing showing in File Explorer but it still struck me as odd and concerning. I can't gather any useful info from right-clicking and looking at properties and when I tried to Google this for answers it just bombarded me with pages and pages of troubleshooting of how to add devices to a network rather than remove them or why they even show up. Windows 10 is up-to-date and I'm running ESET Smart Security as my antivirus. It just struck me as odd because I did the same setup when using Windows 7 and no other devices ever showed up under the 'Network' tab so I don't know if it's a weird quirk of Windows 10 or if this is something to be concerned about because it's an actual named device that appears to be connected but I'm unable to see any information about?
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SUNKOS posted:Hopefully not a dumb question but on the File Explorer I clicked the 'Network' tab to drop-down and it showed a PC with some kind of unique identifier, and I have no idea what it is or why it's there? Open a command prompt, and type "ping" and then the name of the PC listed. Then check if response time is very short and the ip address you get in the output is the IP your computer has. You can run "ipconfig" to check your PC's current IP.
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SUNKOS posted:Hopefully not a dumb question but on the File Explorer I clicked the 'Network' tab to drop-down and it showed a PC with some kind of unique identifier, and I have no idea what it is or why it's there? It's probably your own PC. To check, search for 'Name' on the taskbar and go to 'View This PC's Name'
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Thanks for the helpful responses. It is my own PC, yeah 
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Apr 1, 2019 05:56
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As an aside, get rid of the antivirus software. Windows includes everything you need.
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Lol, I have many years in IT as a software dev and this caught me as well . Is there any way to name your PC during setup anymore? Or do you have to go through with the install and then change the name? I mean as a normal user, I’m sure IT departments have install scripts and whatnot to name them whatever. Probably just me showing my age, but changing a PC name gives me the Heeby jeebies. I did it once in the old days and had IUSR_ accounts that didn’t match and it screwed a bunch of stuff up. Ended up reinstalling Thx
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