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BeanpolePeckerwood posted:mobile suit gunnm The Something Awful Forums > The Finer Arts > Cinema Discusso > Mobile Suit Gunnm Thread: Big Robot Lover Station
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May 5, 2019 22:21
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DrSunshine posted:The Something Awful Forums > The Finer Arts > Cinema Discusso > Mobile Suit Gunnm Thread: Big Retina Robot Lover Station fixed
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May 5, 2019 22:45
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https://trademarks.justia.com/owners/epic-stone-group-2212681/ It's annoying these companies exist just to make money off trademarks and copyrights. 
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May 5, 2019 23:14
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Tertius Oculum posted:https://trademarks.justia.com/owners/epic-stone-group-2212681/ Holy poo poo, 2014? Are you loving kidding me? LORD OF BOOTY posted:that should be like the easiest, slam-dunk loss for them ever given that Viz was publishing Gunnm as "Battle Angel Alita" in the early 90s Don't forget that "Battle Angel" was the title of the AD Vision release, so, yeah, early '90s definitely.
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May 5, 2019 23:41
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Tertius Oculum posted:https://trademarks.justia.com/owners/epic-stone-group-2212681/ Also owners of The Independence Day and The Million Dollar Man
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May 6, 2019 01:38
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Maxwell Lord posted:Also owners of The Independence Day and The Million Dollar Man Ted DiBiase???
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May 6, 2019 16:52
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TheMopeSquad posted:Funny you mention that because Yukito Kishiro had a one-shot called Ashen Victor where he showed there were "monitoring seats" motorball fans could use to directly link up with the players like virtual reality except also linking brains. Additionally, Ashen Victor is reprinted in the latter half of Alita Deluxe Vol 5
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May 6, 2019 19:40
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so I learned from a friend that they aren't interested in seeing this movie because "it's not my thing" and in the same conversation she was also saying Captain Marvel is an important movie for women and feminism. What's a good way to convince her that she would love the poo poo out of Alita, since I think just off of her thoughts on Captain Marvel there's plenty more in Alita to enjoy
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May 9, 2019 05:25
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Aces High posted:so I learned from a friend that they aren't interested in seeing this movie because "it's not my thing" and in the same conversation she was also saying Captain Marvel is an important movie for women and feminism. There... really isn't one, honestly. Maybe show her some of the manga, but even that's not gonna be an easy sell. The redhats really made situations like this hard, because a lot of people are gonna have the preconceived notion that this is a chud movie for chuds, especially if they're invested in CM's importance. That's an incredibly difficult first impression to break, and there's just as reasonable of a chance she'll assume you're one of them and acting in bad faith, versus her actually watching the movie.
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May 9, 2019 05:32
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Aces High posted:so I learned from a friend that they aren't interested in seeing this movie because "it's not my thing" and in the same conversation she was also saying Captain Marvel is an important movie for women and feminism.
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May 9, 2019 05:49
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Aces High posted:so I learned from a friend that they aren't interested in seeing this movie because "it's not my thing" and in the same conversation she was also saying Captain Marvel is an important movie for women and feminism. Has she seen Fury Road?
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May 9, 2019 05:54
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Alita is an incredibly relatable badass female character in a story all about class struggle.
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May 9, 2019 07:17
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Aces High posted:so I learned from a friend that they aren't interested in seeing this movie because "it's not my thing" and in the same conversation she was also saying Captain Marvel is an important movie for women and feminism. Comedy Answer: Ask her why she hates Latinos? Serious Answer: Find out what she means by "not my thing."
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May 9, 2019 07:25
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"Latinos? Not my thing."
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May 9, 2019 09:37
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teagone posted:Has she seen Fury Road? I think she did eventually? I actually had a similar conversation with her back when Fury Road came out because I was gushing about how well made it was and it was a shame that it was being bagged by MRAs due to all the focus on the female characters. She said she didn't have any interest in Mad Max as a series but maybe check it out on Netflix. I think she said it was good when she finally saw it but didn't have much else to say about it. I'm more curious what other people have said to convince friends and family to see this movie because so far every person I've convinced to see it has said it was great. All I had to say about the movie was "I've already seen it x times and you know I don't see movies in the theatre more than once unless it's really good"
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May 9, 2019 16:20
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Aces High posted:I think she did eventually? I actually had a similar conversation with her back when Fury Road came out because I was gushing about how well made it was and it was a shame that it was being bagged by MRAs due to all the focus on the female characters. She said she didn't have any interest in Mad Max as a series but maybe check it out on Netflix. I think she said it was good when she finally saw it but didn't have much else to say about it. Just some random stuff off the top of my head So, the Alita manga just happens to have been very influential on many other sci-fi properties of the last 30 years, and Fury Road is one of them. Fury Road's screenplay was most definitely written by people who've read the Barjack desert marauder arc of the original series, which itself was likely influenced by the stylistic depiction of the wasteland in The Road Warrior. Certain shots or ideas from Fury Road (the sniper sequence, for one) are lifted straight from the panels of that Battle Angel manga. This is appropriate, because both Fury Road and Battle Angel are essentially stories about punching-up (pun partially intended) through corrupt class hierarchy, unlike the Marvel films of the last decade which seem hellbent on delivering to the audience a sort of fascist savior fantasy. Additionally, both Fury Road and the Alita film were properties that spent decades in pre-production development hell trying to get made by people who were insanely passionate about their subject matter and its relative poignancy. And last but not least, Junkie XL did the soundtrack for both films AND THEY loving BUMP.
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May 9, 2019 19:44
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that being said it seems as if more than a few people require their icons of feminist empowerment to be white corporate disney princesses...
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May 9, 2019 19:45
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Aces High posted:I'm more curious what other people have said to convince friends and family to see this movie because so far every person I've convinced to see it has said it was great. All I had to say about the movie was "I've already seen it x times and you know I don't see movies in the theatre more than once unless it's really good" I just told friends and family that Alita has a lot in common with Fury Road (if they've seen it) and that Alita herself is a super likable and charming character that you can't help but root for; that was enough. Most of them aren't interested in exploring social commentary or underlying themes in film. They just want fun action, with good drama with engaging characters. That said, how does your friend respond to militaristic propaganda and politics in film? Because you can say this: teagone posted:Captain Marvel was leveraged by the US government as an avenue of recruitment, specifically targeted towards little girls, for the military — or more specifically, the US Air Force — in which the film's lead actor, Brie Larson, actively partook in. Whereas Alita is the most leftist film Hollywood has produced in a long time: it's a movie directed by a Latinx director with a WOC as the lead, whose character's sole mission is to destroy the 1% — you could mention that comparison. Alita empowers both feminist ideals and racial diversity. Captain Marvel empowers...? It empowers women, specifically little girls, to rise up like Captain Marvel and show the military what they're made of by joining the Air Force because being an Air Force pilot totally owns.
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May 9, 2019 21:39
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teagone, you rule.
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May 10, 2019 01:15
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BeanpolePeckerwood posted:teagone, you rule. 
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May 10, 2019 01:36
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teagone posted:That said, how does your friend respond to militaristic propaganda and politics in film? Because you can say this: But what if the friend was right-wing, though?
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May 10, 2019 05:41
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DrSunshine posted:But what if the friend was right-wing, though? Weren't weirdo right wingers saying seeing Alita somehow disrupts the "Captain Marvel Agenda" already? I hate that I just remembered that. ruddiger fucked around with this message at 05:54 on May 10, 2019 |
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May 10, 2019 05:52
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ruddiger posted:Weren't weirdo right wingers saying seeing Alita somehow disrupts the "Captain Marvel Agenda" already? I hate that I just remembered that. THEY WERE. God that was so loving stupid! It's truly amazing the lengths that idiots will go to to self-own in ridiculously childish ways.
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May 10, 2019 06:08
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I'm frustrated that Alita & Captain Marvel are being pitted against each other in the box office when they're more alike than different.
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May 10, 2019 07:10
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ruddiger posted:Weren't weirdo right wingers saying seeing Alita somehow disrupts the "Captain Marvel Agenda" already? I hate that I just remembered that.
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May 10, 2019 07:14
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They couldn't be more different, except for the fact that Disney now basically owns Alita as of a few months ago 
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May 10, 2019 07:15
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Android Apocalypse posted:I'm frustrated that Alita & Captain Marvel are being pitted against each other in the box office when they're more alike than different. Pitting both films against one another was only really done by a vocal minority of CHUDS. No one cared about their #AlitaChallenge bullshit, and all it really did was showcase for the umpteenth time how pathetic right-winger assholes can be. They were championing Alita because it was the only film available they could use to push their wack-rear end agenda against alleged "man-hater" Brie Larson, which was a huge self-own on their part because of what Alita represents. Everyone using that hashtag probably didn't even see the movie. They're all bark, and the entire ordeal was stupid as hell. [edit] And while both Alita and Captain Marvel both empower women, Alita does it better and without any militaristic messaging. I also thought Captain Marvel was rote and boring, but I don't blame Brie Larson for that; it's mostly on the writers and directors for Captain Marvel turning out so  to me. Hopefully Captain Marvel 2 is better.
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May 10, 2019 07:40
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I didn't see Captain Marvel yet, I'm a bit tired of the Disney Marvel formula. So my opinion can't be challenged when I say that Alita was better. 
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May 10, 2019 08:35
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Both 'controversies' were hurricanes in a tea cup. I'm pretty sure the Fury Road thing was based on literally one guy's no-name blog.
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May 10, 2019 08:37
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I hate the 'controversy' because I'm interested in what interesting voices have to say about the differences between the two movies. Alita is definitely more positive overall, even if it's about class struggle. It's also more earnest -- CM has the deliberate veneer of 90's detachment and the constant quipping that all Marvel moves do. Alita has almost 0 cynicism, despite being in a hellworld. In both movies, the main character starts off being heavily gaslit by a father figure. The intentions are totally different, though -- in Captain Marvel, when she figures it out she ends up blasting the dude. In Alita, it takes a bit of work but once Ido properly realizes what's happening (which takes effort on her part) he wants to help her be the best her she can be.
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May 10, 2019 14:21
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I appreciate the pointers, y'all. My friend and I are pretty similar as far as politics go but I would say she is more positive in her views towards certain movies, which is likely why she views movies like Black Panther and Captain Marvel as "important" instead of as "virtue signaling" (as far as I'm concerned). The other reason why she may not be into Alita is the same reason she wasn't into Ghost in the Shell: she's not a manga and anime person, she's a western comic reader. While other people were throwing shitfits over ScarJo in GitS, she was all over Atomic Blonde. Similarly, she has no connection to BAA so it's not on her radar, though I did chat with her about it yesterday and she said once it's on Netflix she plans to check it out. Perhaps after that I can bring up the "Captain Marvel is literally working for the Military Industrial Complex" thing since I can be a little heavy handed about things like that and some of my friends don't like it when I do that to them 
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May 10, 2019 16:00
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DrSunshine posted:But what if the friend was right-wing, though? Right-wing doesn't inherently mean support for parasitic and enforced class structures. Oppression is oppression, and while you can say whatever about unintended consequences of right-wing policies(including smug assertions that they are intended), anyone who rejects this fiction based on finding it objectionable that it vilifies the incredibly oppressive overclass and focuses on the struggle of the Scrapyard is probably a sociopathic weirdo and not indicative more generalized right-wing thinking or really any other sane thinking. You might even say that revolution against a parasitic overlord that extracted wealth and labor and offered little/nothing in return, and operated under tacit threat of violent annihilation, is endemic to America itself. Give your friend a little credit, if they exist. Yes, I am aware of the red-title irony, thanks.
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May 10, 2019 17:27
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The only thing about Alita more appealing to chuds is that she's slightly more femme and conventionally cute than Captain Marvel, which is just about the shallowest way to engage with the movie. Otherwise it's 100% about Marvel being more mainstream and "normie" along with personal animus against Larson's comments. It's ironic that that happened when the movie didn't include Ido's bit about "my job is ugly and I want you to only be associated with beautiful things" because it made him come off as a patronizing creepo.
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May 10, 2019 17:43
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YaketySass posted:The only thing about Alita more appealing to chuds is that she's slightly more femme and conventionally cute than Captain Marvel, which is just about the shallowest way to engage with the movie. Otherwise it's 100% about Marvel being more mainstream and "normie" along with personal animus against Larson's comments.
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May 10, 2019 18:02
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AlternateAccount posted:You might even say that revolution against a parasitic overlord that extracted wealth and labor and offered little/nothing in return, and operated under tacit threat of violent annihilation, is endemic to America itself. From reading the manga way back when, I always saw the conflict between Salem and the surface as being a parallel for (neo)colonialism rather than purely about class struggle. Salem isn't in charge of the surface, technically, but the factories are the closest thing to a government and exist only to extract resources and exploit local labor to send stuff up to the shining city in the sky. People, however, cannot ever move there. Vector is basically a comprador. It all makes Salem a metaphor for "the West" in general.
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May 10, 2019 18:05
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And therefore capitalist hierarchies
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May 10, 2019 19:57
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"Okay, this is just a very quick late Friday update to let you all know that director Robert Rodriguez’s Alita: Battle Angel will officially arrive on Blu-ray, DVD, and 4K Ultra HD on 7/23, with the Digital release expected on 7/9." http://www.thedigitalbits.com/columns/my-two-cents/051719-1600
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May 19, 2019 03:11
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Finally! 
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May 19, 2019 03:15
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Yay!
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May 19, 2019 05:43
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The Blu-Ray will also include an unrated Sechs scene.
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