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Honestly I’m still not sure what they wanted. To kill Bran because he’s a walking Wikipedia article about the known world, in hopes it would wipe out humanity? There’s three other continents in ASOIAF outside of Westeros.
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Jay_Zombie posted:GoT Series Finale Prediction: Would own Agent Burt Macklin posted:Honestly I’m still not sure what they wanted. To kill Bran because he’s a walking Wikipedia article about the known world, in hopes it would wipe out humanity? There’s three other continents in ASOIAF outside of Westeros. The writers literally just had nothing for Bran to do haha it's great.
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Agent Burt Macklin posted:Oh poo poo is Dany going to somehow figure out Davos was in on it too?! 😭 looks like grilled onion is back on the menu boys
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Buck Wildman posted:real talk I've always wanted to be one of those poor extras in these big fantasy battles who gets that split second shot of catching an axe with their face or getting dragon'd, just a shaky cam cut of me going BLURGH spray of blood and gone I think everybody can get behind that, it’s part of the fun of moviemaking.  “Lol, look at this dumb bastard, eyes ain’t even pointing in the same direction!” 
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I was curious about how the parents who named their kids after Dany felt after the last episode:quote:Chanel Stout, a medical scheduler in Florida and mother to a 14-month-old named Daenerys, also isn’t a fan of how Dany’s story is playing out, but she’s not turning her back on the Queen. “[Sunday’s episode] doesn’t change how I feel about Dany at all,” she writes in an email. “I definitely think she was justified. I think the show is rushing her character arc, but what can you do.” And if her feelings about the character haven’t changed, then her feelings about the name certainly haven’t, either. “I have no regrets at all!” quote:Another Texan, Katherine Acosta, opted for “Khaleesi” instead of “Daenerys,” when naming her and her husband’s 13-month-old daughter. (That decision — along with the fact that Acosta says she discovered GOT while she was recovering from an earlier miscarriage — has already brought her family a good amount of press.) Despite her preference for Khaleesi, Acosta is just like the other parents we interviewed: unfazed by the massacre at King’s Landing. “I honestly think she did what she had to do,” Acosta says. “This isn’t Disney, this is Game of Thrones. We know there’s never going to be happy endings.”  I don't think these people should serve on jury duty
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"This isn't Disney" i assure myself as i ram my lovely dragon into king's landing
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a lot of the complaints/proposed fixes seem to centre around Dany becoming "unethical": the city surrenders, but a soldier hiding among the innocents attacks her; Dany decides killing Cersei is worth some collateral civilian casualties; the smallfolk resist her rule, so she makes an example of them. but the turn isn't about Dany becoming pragmatically amoral or even ruthlessly principled - her turn is succumbing to madness. it's not that she makes an ugly but rational decision in service of her goals, it's that she abandons rationality altogether in favour of a self-serving 'emotional' logic that is ultimately self-destructive. "hmm yes but what would the 7 kingdoms think" just isn't relevant to her state of mind. of course, the writing and overall direction of the show is trash and has been trash for 4 seasons, so it's kinda academic. if we had more episodes I like the idea someone had of Rhaegal being fatally wounded in the ambush and dying slowly over the course of the battle preparations, and Dany's emotional state deteriorating correspondingly. Dany deserved a slow burn.
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Mister Fister posted:I was curious about how the parents who named their kids after Dany felt after the last episode: Yeah, I predicted this would be the reaction. I figured the quickest reconciliation of that dissonance would be 'Eh, edgy titty and dragon show, Dany was justified!' Boy are they going to feel silly for endorsing genocide when it turns out Bran warged Drogon. Lt. Danger posted:a lot of the complaints/proposed fixes seem to centre around Dany becoming "unethical": the city surrenders, but a soldier hiding among the innocents attacks her; Dany decides killing Cersei is worth some collateral civilian casualties; the smallfolk resist her rule, so she makes an example of them. Agreed. Making Dany's 'snap' seem morally ambiguous or even justified as kind of wrecks the heel-turn. She's not supposed to be able to use the 'momentary insanity' defence; she's batshit. Regardless, as you can see above, people are plenty willing to excuse unapologetic genocide for their favourite Dragon queen. I think the only good solution had to have been in advance. The snap could still be extreme compared to earlier events, but we needed at least a couple more events on the level of Varys (i.e. morally ambiguous characters or someone we care about) to be satisfying. PoizenJam fucked around with this message at 22:45 on May 15, 2019 |
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Bip Roberts posted:I think I said it before but we really need an honest to god boner The Wire is the only mainstream TV show I can think of that had one.
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RE: The Rhaegal should have been ambushed killed with scorpions after the bells ring and thats what sets off Dany to go nuts. Please add, Euron fires the bolt and screams "I hosed THE QUEEN" as he shoots it.
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How the poo poo were Jaime and Cersei supposed to row across the drat ocean to Pentos? It's not like Gendry would have been with them.
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I said come in! posted:Incorrect, they would bone one another. Show Euron is basically Kano from MK11, so it fits entirely.
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Lt. Danger posted:a lot of the complaints/proposed fixes seem to centre around Dany becoming "unethical": the city surrenders, but a soldier hiding among the innocents attacks her; Dany decides killing Cersei is worth some collateral civilian casualties; the smallfolk resist her rule, so she makes an example of them. Cersei ignoring the rules of war and using the bells to do some guerrilla warfare from within the civilian population is totally on brand and better than her just staring out a window and smirking. Dany burning down KL after that wouldn't be pragmatic or ruthlessly principled, it'd just be one more thing Cersei does that pushes her over the edge, making the heel turn slightly more understandable.
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Whilst real world sackings are legit the strategy behind them was often for radically different purposes. Sacking is great as a tool for rapid conquest when raiding but not so useful for consolidating your own power base. The Dothraki have taken some clear inspiration from the Mongol empire (including the crown of gold thing) but even Genghis Khan would mostly let cities surrender if they did it quickly enough. There are some historical reports of coloured tents being used to show the price of surrender (white = we take your stuff but you all live, red = we take your stuff and kill all the men, black = you are all going to die and the city will burn) which let psychological warfare win most of the battles and let the empire expand rapidly with minimal losses. Genghis Khan definitely burnt some cities to the ground because he felt personally slighted though and it's generally an example you only have to make once. But again, this is for conquest, not consolidation. This is a show where armies regularly line up outside of their own castle walls because it looks really dramatic(?) though so I guess sensible military choices shouldn't be expected at this point.
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Bip Roberts posted:Dany could hold a red hot dragon egg in her hands early season 1. The very first scene we see her in, she gets into a scalding hot bath and her servants warn her "No! It's too hot!" or similar.
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Lt. Danger posted:but the turn isn't about Dany becoming pragmatically amoral or even ruthlessly principled - her turn is succumbing to madness. it's not that she makes an ugly but rational decision in service of her goals, it's that she abandons rationality altogether in favour of a self-serving 'emotional' logic that is ultimately self-destructive. "hmm yes but what would the 7 kingdoms think" just isn't relevant to her state of mind. Yeah, I said earlier that if the reason is "she's just batshit crazy" it makes some sense, but I don't think the show's going to run with that. If she's just giggling while roasting babies next week too that'll be a bold and unexpected move, but I am about 90% sure either the show or just Dany herself will play off the city burning as "aww, like 20 people died. a shame but unavoidable." and she will appear mostly rational and wonder why Jon is betraying her more.
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Zaphod42 posted:She says "When my dragons are grown, we will take back what was stolen from me and destroy those who have wronged me. We will lay waste to armies and burn cities to the ground." I've never seen anyone defend a position this vociferously in my entire life, and I grew up having internet. It's really striking how right you are, and how wrong everyone who doesn't agree with you is
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Mister Fister posted:I was curious about how the parents who named their kids after Dany felt after the last episode: This is just mental gymnastics, if they don't regret it now they will later but they probably won't admit it.
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The Dark Project posted:Be honest, if this were at all a possibility, would you wait for this show to do something like this? Or perhaps a reshoot/reordering to add more to the show's already existing footage? just make an animated 10 eps lol
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Just Chamber posted:Out of curiosity once a show is over are actors usually forbidden by contacts from saying how much they hated the show? Or is that just deemed as unprofessional? Curious to hear what Emilia Clarke thinks of her turn once this is all over and done with as she's clearly not been happy in interviews. pretty sure harrington is already talking about how much he hates the ending so no
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Just Chamber posted:No one else knew about the destroying the city thing except for I think Jaime and the pyromancers and he stabbed him in the back for it. Also Tywin was supposed to be bringing his army to aid Aerys, not sack the city. This was after Rhaegar had been defeated at the Trident and the alliance was coming to besiege KL; Tywin switched sides and Jaime warned Aerys "Hey my dad is a calculating jerk, don't trust him"
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panda clue posted:I don't know why people are surprised at Gandalf raining down hellfire to murder everyone in Minas Tirith when it was foreshadowed by him raising his voice at Bilbo that one time Lmao this
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Agent Burt Macklin posted:Oh poo poo is Dany going to somehow figure out Davos was in on it too?! 😭 If Dany kills Davos in literally the last episode of the series I will riot. Davos MUST LIVE  Agent Burt Macklin posted:Honestly I’m still not sure what they wanted. To kill Bran because he’s a walking Wikipedia article about the known world, in hopes it would wipe out humanity? There’s three other continents in ASOIAF outside of Westeros. It was possibly the biggest moment of the entire series, so of course it wasn't remotely established what the gently caress was going on or why. Great storytelling. Just really astounding stuff. The characters seeming extremely confident they understood the NK's motivations was some serious 
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Buck Wildman posted:real talk I've always wanted to be one of those poor extras in these big fantasy battles who gets that split second shot of catching an axe with their face or getting dragon'd, just a shaky cam cut of me going BLURGH spray of blood and gone Aaron Rodgers got to do this and I'm jealous https://www.indiatoday.in/televisio...4738-2019-05-14
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That DICK! posted:maybe drogon saw a bee "If it weren't for my dragon, I wouldn't have spent that year in Essos."
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Guze posted:Qyburn should have made a Rita Repulsa wand and super sized the Mountain so he could fight Drogon. How about sewn together a bunch of corpses into a battle-suit like a big, rotting, Voltron? With the Mt. as the head and upper torso.
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U-DO Burger posted:looks like grilled onion is back on the menu boys MODS!
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Zaphod42 posted:Aaron Rodgers got to do this and I'm jealous https://twitter.com/Goprobassguy/status/1127767578963775488
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Zaphod42 posted:If Dany kills Davos in literally the last episode of the series I will riot. I really wanted Sam to ask why the night king would go after bran, who never tells anyone anything, instead of the citadel if the NK wanted to eradicate knowledge
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Did the cast do any big talk show gathering interviews this year like they used to do on Conan and Fallon and what not? When they all looked happy
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What are the odds on last episode nudity? I’ll put $20 on dick
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The Walrus posted:this show has been bad for two seasons and the public has still loved it, now it's SO bad that popular sentiment has turned on it so all of a sudden internet contrarians are all 'no it's good'. It being the end is also probably a big factor; in the past, bad parts could be excused by people thinking or hoping that it would get better and thus not letting it get them down. Now, though, this is it; there's no getting better later, because there's no later. Plus, it's the culmination of everything that came before it, the big payoff, the reason it all happened. It's what is going to make the final impression a lot of people have of the show, or at least be the biggest factor there; where a good ending could make up for a lot, a bad ending can squander a lot of good will and make everything before it feel worse. The ending isn't all that matters, but it's a pretty big deal. And here... It's bad. Even if it arguably isn't the worst part of the show, since it has Ramsay and the Sand Snakes as competition among other things, it makes a lot of sense that this is the point where people stop giving it the benefit of the doubt and feel a lot more strongly about it. mastershakeman posted:I really wanted Sam to ask why the night king would go after bran, who never tells anyone anything, instead of the citadel if the NK wanted to eradicate knowledge To be fair, the maesters don't tell anyone anything either. Also, the Citadel is further south, so even if it's also a target it comes later. Roland Jones fucked around with this message at 00:00 on May 16, 2019 |
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Snowy posted:What are the odds on last episode nudity? Dick but it's Drogon's
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That DICK! posted:maybe drogon saw a bee
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Darkrenown posted:Yeah, I said earlier that if the reason is "she's just batshit crazy" it makes some sense, but I don't think the show's going to run with that. If she's just giggling while roasting babies next week too that'll be a bold and unexpected move, but I am about 90% sure either the show or just Dany herself will play off the city burning as "aww, like 20 people died. a shame but unavoidable." and she will appear mostly rational and wonder why Jon is betraying her more. This is the most blatant misreading of the how and why of Dany's turn, and it's so common ITT I'm having troubling understanding the way you guys watch television. Rushed plot-progression and characterization aside, if you really think that she was literally manically Crazy with a capital C while flying around burning KL then I can understand if you feel it's out of nowhere, but she wasn't. She was just pissed off, felt abandoned and betrayed, and wanted catharsis, all very human emotions. People do really hosed up poo poo in that state, even if they aren't as narcissistic and entitled as Dany. You don't need to hear voices or write on the wall in your own feces to do what Dany did, and the frightening and realistic thing about it is that it's very easy to succumb to, not something that requires your insanity to go super-saiyan.
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Pretty sure if your response to being mildly annoyed is "let's burn women and children" you're crazy with a capital C
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