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Powered Descent
Jul 13, 2008

We haven't had that spirit here since 1969.

Azathoth posted:

https://twitter.com/mdudas/status/1129113685220352001?s=19

Word on the street is that the whale decided to press charges.

Even if the cryptoperson is in custody, they're based on 4096-bit RSA, so it's going to take until the heat death of the universe to decrypt them and find out who it is.

(What if it's Bruce)

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Dewgy
Nov 10, 2005

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Azathoth posted:

https://twitter.com/mdudas/status/1129113685220352001?s=19

Word on the street is that the whale decided to press charges.

:allears:

Lambert
Apr 15, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
Fallen Rib
"That one dude lied really well; he must have been extremely smart!"

Lambert
Apr 15, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
Fallen Rib
Also: "BREAKING: Random unsubstantiated Twitter musings"

Azathoth
Apr 3, 2001

Lambert posted:

Also: "BREAKING: Random unsubstantiated Twitter musings"

It's either that or he's in the hospital because the latest batch of research chemicals turned out to be nothing but industrial strength horse laxative and he had to be put into a medically induced com while doctors fight to save his intestines.

Nessus
Dec 22, 2003

After a Speaker vote, you may be entitled to a valuable coupon or voucher!



Lambert posted:

"That one dude lied really well; he must have been extremely smart!"
Are you suggesting Mark did something wrong?

Uranium 235
Oct 12, 2004

Rectal Death Adept posted:

Careful Uranium, people making money gambling thinking they are smart is the same trap AARO fell into.

You guys got lucky on your gambles then spent a lot of time doing a trillion safe microtrades in the stupidest market on the planet. Anyone who bought in 2017 made massive profits simply for existing. You aren't authorities on anything other than how the mechanics of trading work.
when did i claim to be an authority on anything?

adar has been successful long enough that i believe he has more going for him than just luck

Mahler
Oct 30, 2008

something's going on lol

Rectal Death Adept
Jun 20, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

Uranium 235 posted:

when did i claim to be an authority on anything?

adar has been successful long enough that i believe he has more going for him than just luck

Yeah, I played EVE with him and he isn't some Neo that goes "There is No Market" then makes money because he can see the truth behind the numbers while using one hand to defeat the Agents of Market Crashes. He has that ability to do extreme spreadsheet minmaxing and spend an infinite amount of time focused on minutiae. He was famous for it.

Take that microtransaction concept and get a bot or just do it 20 hours a day and I'm sure you would do extremely well. Most traders don't do it because they are chasing huge profits quickly, not a million 0.01% profits over a period of months. I didn't want to deal with trying to pay taxes on 20,000 transactions and think crypto in general is dumb.

Yet I still quadrupled my initial buy in because the market just went crazy, no matter what you were buying.

Burt Sexual
Jan 26, 2006

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Switchblade Switcharoo

Rectal Death Adept posted:

Yeah, I played EVE with him

Stopped reading

nullEntityRNG
Jun 23, 2010

Mostly pseudo-random.
They do know the best methods to double isk scam people. So either adar just made rda a sucker or adar is using rda to make uranium a sucker or....

Man my head hurts I think ill go lay down. Bitcoin is dumb.

Goa Tse-tung
Feb 11, 2008

;3

Yams Fan

nullEntityRNG posted:

They do know the best methods to double isk scam people. So either adar just made rda a sucker or adar is using rda to make uranium a sucker or....

Man my head hurts I think ill go lay down. Bitcoin is dumb.

no the best method is still to be at the top of the corporation and just... tax the workers

Splicer
Oct 16, 2006

from hell's heart I cast at thee
🧙🐀🧹🌙🪄🐸
The Bart's ending. Did zuarg buy in or something?

Tashilicious
Jul 17, 2016

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Splicer posted:

The Bart's ending. Did zuarg buy in or something?

he probably did yes.

Pochoclo
Feb 4, 2008

No...
Clapping Larry
Oh, there goes gravity

Uranium 235
Oct 12, 2004

Rectal Death Adept posted:

Yeah, I played EVE with him and he isn't some Neo that goes "There is No Market" then makes money because he can see the truth behind the numbers while using one hand to defeat the Agents of Market Crashes. He has that ability to do extreme spreadsheet minmaxing and spend an infinite amount of time focused on minutiae. He was famous for it.

Take that microtransaction concept and get a bot or just do it 20 hours a day and I'm sure you would do extremely well. Most traders don't do it because they are chasing huge profits quickly, not a million 0.01% profits over a period of months. I didn't want to deal with trying to pay taxes on 20,000 transactions and think crypto in general is dumb.

Yet I still quadrupled my initial buy in because the market just went crazy, no matter what you were buying.
by my understanding, that's not how he traded. he bought into ICO offerings and flipped them later once they began trading on the exchanges. the ICO space was so absurd that most of them opened many times higher than they were offered at, and a lot of them ran up for ridiculous gains once the market opened. i think he just recognized that it was EV+ to buy into ICOs and flip them later, so he kept doing it until it stopped working. each time he made profit he took some off the table. he figured that if he kept doing it, then by the time it stopped working, his losses would be much smaller than his gains. i pieced this together from his comments in this thread and from what he PM'd me back then. not totally sure this is accurate but that's what i think he did.

in my case, i did make a lot of trades. unlike adar, i never touched ICOs. but i never entered a trade with just 0.1% profit as my target, as the risk vs reward would always be too heavily slanted towards risk in that case. market orders had a 0.25-0.3% fee on coinbase, so a target of 0.1% profit would automatically be a bad trade just because of risk:reward. limit orders were free so it was possible to take profit on a 0.1% move, but realistically, you probably aren't going to get in and out of a trade like that on limit orders.

i'm sure there were algo traders who were microscalping like that but i doubt if any human could have any edge making 0.1% scalps in the crypto market. also i'm not sure why any human would try to do that when the moves were way, way bigger than 0.1%

i traded momentum and reversals. so, big, high volume breakouts in price from previous resistance (this was stupid easy with how irrational the market was in 2017), and buying into high volume sell-offs with the expectation that the price would quickly reverse in the near future. i also did some bottom fishing, which is buying just above price levels that have previously acted as support, with the expectation that it will act as support again. you stop out if it doesn't, and if it does, you sell for several times what you were risking on the trade. the basic idea behind every trade is that you identify setups that give you good risk:reward and you stay disciplined and respect your stop and take your loss if the trade doesn't go your way.

Mozi
Apr 4, 2004

Forms change so fast
Time is moving past
Memory is smoke
Gonna get wider when I die
Nap Ghost
i'm all in, baby!

Cactus Ghost
Dec 20, 2003

you can actually inflate your scrote pretty safely with sterile saline, syringes, needles, and aseptic technique. its a niche kink iirc

the saline just slowly gets absorbed into your blood but in the meantime you got a big round smooth distended nutsack

is mccafe the antivirus guy

Raldikuk
Apr 7, 2006

I'm bad with money and I want that meatball!

OMGVBFLOL posted:

is mccafe the antivirus guy

Yes, lmfao

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012



Splicer posted:

The Bart's ending. Did zuarg buy in or something?

Post the chart

Khorne
May 1, 2002

OMGVBFLOL posted:

is mccafe the antivirus guy
also the murder in the jungle guy

and the beating the poo poo out of someone on camera guy

and the doing bath salts and going insane guy

and the bitcoin guy

and the lived with seven women guy

and the eat my own dick if it's not a million per coin by 2020 guy

and the ran a drug operation in a foreign country and fled guy

and the consensual whale loving guy

Khorne fucked around with this message at 17:48 on May 17, 2019

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012



Apparently a single wallet posted a sell order for 5000 coins on bitstamp and blew through their entire order book and loving destroyed the price like a champ. poo poo owns

Dewgy
Nov 10, 2005

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Khorne posted:

also the murder in the jungle guy

and the beating the poo poo out of someone on camera guy

and the doing bath salts and going insane guy

and the bitcoin guy

and the lived with seven women guy

and the eat my own dick if it's not a million per coin by 2020 guy

and the ran a drug operation in a foreign country and fled guy

don’t forget whale loving

Clockwerk
Apr 6, 2005


consensual whale loving, mind you

internet celebrity
Jun 23, 2006

College Slice

Clockwerk posted:

consensual whale loving, mind you

New thread title?

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

A polite little mouse!

orange juche posted:

Apparently a single wallet posted a sell order for 5000 coins on bitstamp and blew through their entire order book and loving destroyed the price like a champ. poo poo owns

yep - they spent $40m on Bitstamp to wreck $250m of longs on BitMEX.

like, when i described this process, I thought I was oversimplifying it

don't miss the next game of Moon or Toilet, sponsored by BitMEX and Bart Simpson, which will start tomorrow or so probably. because bitcoiners aren't so great at learning from experience.

Norton the First
Dec 4, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

divabot posted:

yep - they spent $40m on Bitstamp to wreck $250m of longs on BitMEX.

I really want to know how that works.

divabot
Jun 17, 2015

A polite little mouse!

Norton the First posted:

I really want to know how that works.

BitMEX gets its bitcoin price from Bitstamp and Coinbase, two exchanges that deal in actual US Dollars. And I'm pretty sure the margin bets on BitMEX are trader versus trader.

So the traders don't care about Bitcoin - they only care about how the price of Bitcoin affects their bets.

Fundamentally: the bets are way bigger than the amount needed to manipulate the price the bet depends upon.

kw0134
Apr 19, 2003

I buy feet pics🍆

Also these bets are highly leveraged; there's likely not a few hundred million real actual dollars backing these trades. But that means there's huge upside if the market moves the right way -- or a total loss of the staked funds conversely.

Almost surely everyone betting long got their positions liquidated, and depending on what their balance is in their brokerage account, wrecked entirely.

Rev. Dr. Moses P. Lester
Oct 3, 2000

divabot posted:

the next game of Moon or Toilet
Thread title

PHIZ KALIFA
Dec 21, 2011

#mood
Bitcoin is the Illegal Party Toilet of cryptocurrencies. That makes Mcafee the Illegal Party Toiletteer

Fur20
Nov 14, 2007

すご▞い!
君は働か░い
フ▙▓ズなんだね!

Khorne posted:

and the eat my own dick if it's not a million per coin by 2020 guy

actually back in 2016 it was million per coin by 2018

Norton the First
Dec 4, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

divabot posted:

BitMEX gets its bitcoin price from Bitstamp and Coinbase, two exchanges that deal in actual US Dollars. And I'm pretty sure the margin bets on BitMEX are trader versus trader.

So the traders don't care about Bitcoin - they only care about how the price of Bitcoin affects their bets.

Fundamentally: the bets are way bigger than the amount needed to manipulate the price the bet depends upon.

OK I know this makes me a bad person but I genuinely want to work for the hedge fund where they're making these plays. Finance isn't usually this funny.

spankmeister
Jun 15, 2008






I'm warming up a twitter botnet to spam McAfee when he inevitably has to eat his sick and doesn't.

Hammerite
Mar 9, 2007

And you don't remember what I said here, either, but it was pompous and stupid.
Jade Ear Joe

spankmeister posted:

I'm warming up a twitter botnet to spam McAfee when he inevitably has to eat his sick and doesn't.

I bet that guy has eat he sick at some point :barf: :fork:

shame on an IGA
Apr 8, 2005

So what basically happened is that somebody took $250,000,000 in bets that nobody would be dumb enough to sell a butt for $x, and then sold butts until the price was $x?

lmao

Barudak
May 7, 2007

shame on an IGA posted:

So what basically happened is that somebody took $250,000,000 in bets that nobody would be dumb enough to sell a butt for $x, and then sold butts until the price was $x?

lmao

Yes. And that person likely owns the other side of those long positions, which is why its so good.

Mumpy Puffinz
Aug 11, 2008
Nap Ghost
hey guys, I had a real bad week. Can someone post that ancap thing where the idiot went to greece and got his rear end kicked?

Azathoth
Apr 3, 2001

quote:

I don’t usually use forums or Reddit, I usually just post comments on Ancap blogs like Molyneux or Cantwell’s blog, but they didn’t seem appropriate places to post my story. So here goes, I just wanted to share this with all of you.

Nov 3 I flew to Europe for a Eurotrip type tour. Not a guide or packaged deal, just going around by myself. I paid for half of the trip with the wages I earned over the last two years, my dad paid for the other half. I am 19, I guess that is normal starting college and all. (Before that I worked for my dad’s company part time, so I guess you could say he paid for all of it, lol).

I did France and then Italy and then Greece next. I am an Ancap so I wanted to see anarchists in these places. Yes, I know they are different kinds of “anarchists” and not really full anarchists like us. I went to an anarchist book store in Italy and it had a lot of English books, but no Rothbard or Ancap. Like I said, I expected that, not a surprise.

I went to Greece, which everyone knows is famous for its revolutionary anarchism, its economic crisis and everything going on right now. Here I found directions for a local anarchist center. I went and didn’t see anybody, but it was covered in graffiti, mostly in Greek so I couldn’t read it. Whatever, I started taking pictures. Then some people came out and confronted me.

This should have been my first warning sign something was not right, because photography is not a crime. They were not violent, but they were not friendly, like asking who I was, what I wanted. They all spoke good English actually. Not uncommon in Greece. I said I was a tourist and an anarchist and I just wanted to take pictures. Then they got friendly and told me I should have asked first (but pictures are no NAP violation so I don’t know why, but I didn’t say anything) and they invited me inside.

We hung out for a while and smoked hash (there is no good dank in Europe as you might find out like in Cali, everyone smokes hash with tobacco which isn’t as cool as it sounds). We started talking about politics and anarchism. I was trying to talk about the state, they were like yeah no doubt the state was bad. But they wanted to talk about capitalism, capitalism this and that. This is when we started to get into a debate.

I told them that what they called capitalism is different from the free market. They said capitalism is free markets. And I said I agreed. That is what I am saying. Real capitalism is free markets. And they said yes, that is what we are trying to get rid of. And I said no, but we don’t even have that right now. We need more free markets. And everyone at the same time was like “nooo” we are anarchists, we are against capitalism. Anarchists oppose capitalism.

And I said but not anarcho-capitalists. Anarcho-capitalists are the anarchists who support capitalism. I had a fanny pack (yeah, lame I know) for my camera and in that I had this yellow and black bowtie (also super lame, it was a joke but I wasnt wearing it). And I said look, these are the Ancap colors, yellow and black, like versus the communist red and black. Well, these guys had a lot of red and black in the building already so I thought they would get it.

I think that is when it started to get a really bad vibe, really tense in the air. The free market thing was funny, we disagreed but I think they thought I was just confused. Everyone was uncomfortable now. Then someone said markets wont work with democracy. And I said exactly, that’s it, democracy is against anarchism. And they kind of agreed, and said yes, we don’t have real democracy, just governments, and we needed more democracy. I said no, we need less democracy, democracy is the enemy. And we need to end democracy to have anarchy. Then they were all like “noooo” again. You know that thing people do in groups when everyone all says “nooo” or expresses some disapproval at the same time.

And one of them said “but we do want to stop democracy” and then they kind of spoke back and forth in Greek. I didn’t really understand it. And they asked me what I meant.

So I said okay, I had the floor, I was going to tell them about ancapism. And I tried to explain to them some Rothbard and Hoppe. I said the natural order in anarchy is that the best rise to the top, the market picks who is the best. They compete and are peaceful. They said what do we want instead of anarchy. I said we want private owners to own their own land and businesses, and to employ people. They said that is what we have now. I said no, it would be even better. One of the guys said it was like feudalism. And I said it is not feudalism.

Eventually one of the guys spoke up and I thought he was Greek, but he spoke English perfectly so he may have not been. He said he knew what anarcho-capitalism was and that we were basically fascists. He asked me if I thought everything should be private. And I said yes. And he asked me if I thought people were unequal. And I told him yes. And that not everyone would have equal rights. I said everyone has the right to own property and not be done aggression against. But that not everyone had to be treated equally by the owners. He said what about immigrants and racism. And I said that would not happen in a free market, but yes property owners could be racist if they wanted to. They had to respect property.

Then he called me a fascist again, and someone else said I was a fascist. And then they basically all started shouting fascist at me, and one of them grabbed me by the wrists. They pulled me out the door, it was up three floors, and basically drug me down the stairs on my back. It hurt really bad and I remember yelling “you’re breaking the NAP” and things like that. “Stop initiating force against me.” Then they kicked me around on the ground in the hallway, before they took my camera and threw me outside. I was crying and stuff, I just sat there. I was in shock because it was so sudden. Looking back there were warning signs though.

I think they felt bad for me and gave the camera back, but when I looked later they stole the memory card with all of my Greek photos.

So they initiated force and theft. They broke the NAP. I knew the left anarchists were not real anarchists, but I never knew they would do something that bad.

I wasnt seriously hurt, just kicked around a little, lots of bruises and little cuts. I am fine guys so don’t worry. Just needed to share.

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Mumpy Puffinz
Aug 11, 2008
Nap Ghost

thanks buddy

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