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The new Last Podcast on the Left is on Howard Unruh, a WWII vet who left the house with a pistol the morning of September 6, 1949, and walked down a street in Camden, NJ, shooting 13 people — some intended targets, some just people who happened to be there. They cite the Pulitzer-Prize-winning article about it by Meyer Berger, which is some real good true crime writing. Veteran Kills 12 in Mad Rampage on Camden Street
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Kanine posted:Stress, Suicide, and the Savannah College of Art and Design Jesus. One of my best friends went to SCAD and had a breakdown, then couldn’t return to photography til years later because the coursework was so traumatic. I didn’t know it was a systemic issue. The linked article about the school’s troubled past is a pro-click as well. “Because of the body's location, and the blackened remnants of a cardigan sweater and wire-rim glasses, she immediately recognized the man as Juan Bertotto, an affable architecture professor at her school.”
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Aug 11, 2019 05:44
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I should clarify that I went to MICA and my friends and I experienced a lot of similar things. MICA (as far as I know) hasn't covered up any suicides, (and i'm not aware of any successful suicides but i knew of two suicide attempts during the 3 years i attended) but the point still stands that art schools encourage extremely unhealthy behaviors in their students.
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Aug 11, 2019 19:19
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The Golden Gael posted:I did, yeah! I'm finishing up another this weekend, glad you liked the Nagano story because it was so rich and yet surprisingly obscure for what it was. I've subscribed! Hearty recommend to folks in the thread. e: I had conflated your channel somehow with Lemmino who I also watched last night, but my recommendation stands:) HopperUK has a new favorite as of 19:24 on Aug 11, 2019 |
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Aug 11, 2019 19:21
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I remember deadlines being so bad that sometimes I'd have three different projects going between different boards, and "resting" was switching which one I was working on. People in my class would fall asleep, start crying, snap at people during crit. I think the attitude towards sleep really is the most dangerous thing because of how mentally and physically unhealthy it makes one to combine stress and no sleep.
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Aug 11, 2019 19:24
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Kanine posted:I should clarify that I went to MICA and my friends and I experienced a lot of similar things. MICA (as far as I know) hasn't covered up any suicides, (and i'm not aware of any successful suicides but i knew of two suicides during the 3 years i attended) but the point still stands that art schools encourage extremely unhealthy behaviors in their students. Grad school also. Also had a friend commit suicide in medical residency.
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Aug 11, 2019 19:33
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There's someone in the article comments saying that the stress just is meant to prepare you for the reality of the field 
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Aug 11, 2019 20:16
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It pisses me off that someone in the comments of the SCAD article is defending the school on the basis of 'the industry is tough and it prepares you for life', as if having a job is the same thing as paying a school for an education and as if an attendance policy so strict a student can't get excused absences for chemotherapy is somehow going to help people bootstraps themselves up. Besides that, sleep is really really important and if you're setting things up so students are running at a constant severe sleep deficit you're not actually effectively teaching them anything, since shockingly the brain needs to be functional in order to learn properly. I wonder how many of those suicides would have been prevented just by the students getting enough sleep?
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Aug 11, 2019 20:19
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Like I think it's fine for a school to push you but there's a difference between that and 'you'll never get enough sleep, you can't get excused absences for medically necessary procedures scheduled in advance so all your classes will drop you, and the mental health services are barebones enough to be effectively useless'. And if you can't get an excused absence for going to chemotherapy, I'm sure you can't get one for going to off-campus therapy, so like... with what time are students supposed to get mental health services, anyway?
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Aug 11, 2019 20:22
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I've never run into a real-life conventional employment situation that was like medical residency, grad school, art school, or any of the other places where they get off on pretentious torture.
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Aug 11, 2019 20:29
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Kanine posted:I should clarify that I went to MICA and my friends and I experienced a lot of similar things. MICA (as far as I know) hasn't covered up any suicides, (and i'm not aware of any successful suicides but i knew of two suicides during the 3 years i attended) but the point still stands that art schools encourage extremely unhealthy behaviors in their students.  my niece is currently at MICA. she qualified for a bunch of scholarships, but money's still a worry, so she's doing all this extra stuff like being an RA and giving tours to the newbies and such to get more knocked off her tuition. she also works, of course, but is still carrying a pretty high GPA last i checked. thats a lot of pressure to put on a 19 year old.
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Aug 11, 2019 20:32
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There's been some talk lately about restricting the amount of hours people have to work before becoming full on doctors for similar reasons. Residencies and internships are notorious for running fresh grads through the grinder with the excuse of "well they need to know that sometimes things are busy and stressful and..." but nobody can keep up hours like that forever. It's also been proven that that sort of thing has led directly to medical errors that have at times even killed people. Turns out that rested people who aren't stressed out of their minds are better at everything they do. Amazing.
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Aug 11, 2019 20:35
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It's because they are getting professional quality work for pennies on the dollar, and they do not really care if anybody dies.
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Aug 11, 2019 20:49
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ToxicSlurpee posted:There's been some talk lately about restricting the amount of hours people have to work before becoming full on doctors for similar reasons. Residencies and internships are notorious for running fresh grads through the grinder with the excuse of "well they need to know that sometimes things are busy and stressful and..." but nobody can keep up hours like that forever. It's also been proven that that sort of thing has led directly to medical errors that have at times even killed people. Turns out that rested people who aren't stressed out of their minds are better at everything they do. Amazing. The idea that I could be operated on by someone who would fall asleep behind the wheel is so, so frightening. It already takes me a lot of mental effort to be okay with another ape poking around in my inner ape-parts.
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Aug 11, 2019 21:02
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It's cool how I saw some replies to the SCAD article on social media going "boohoo poor little art students, drawing isnt hard, try doing a real degree in stem" jesus loving christ
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Aug 11, 2019 21:15
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Pick posted:It's because they are getting professional quality work for pennies on the dollar, and they do not really care if anybody dies. Actually it’s free for them. At worst employment and salary costs are a break even proposition. Every medical trainee, with rare exceptions, has a grant attached to them paid for by Medicare that goes to the sponsoring institution. Something like 120k a year, about twice the average resident salary. 80 hours a week is the legal maximum, but only for interns. God help you if you log your hours Honestly. Day 1 of internship I tell my interns that their hours need to be Correct (no violations) and not Honest (with violations), otherwise administration will be on them and they’ll be in deep poo poo. One of my interns didn’t listen and got called up to admin and accused of being incompetent/can’t handle the workload/do we need to take corrective measures sort of thing. It’s disgusting, but the stakes are incredibly high - I’ve got 6 figures of debt to worry about and getting in trouble during residency can easily kill your career. There’s a huge incentive to go full mouth-shut and head-down just to get it over with.
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Aug 11, 2019 21:25
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Kanine posted:It's cool how I saw some replies to the SCAD article on social media going "boohoo poor little art students, drawing isnt hard, try doing a real degree in stem" jesus loving christ I have an art degree and a CS degree. The art degree took more time and effort to earn with way more absurdly late nights.
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Aug 11, 2019 21:54
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Rhandhali posted:Actually it’s free for them. At worst employment and salary costs are a break even proposition. That is very interesting information and thank you for sharing it.
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Aug 11, 2019 22:17
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aphid_licker posted:There's someone in the article comments saying that the stress just is meant to prepare you for the reality of the field ...the field full of people traumatized by the stress of training in school :-/
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Aug 11, 2019 22:20
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Kanine posted:It's cool how I saw some replies to the SCAD article on social media going "boohoo poor little art students, drawing isnt hard, try doing a real degree in stem" jesus loving christ I worked so long and hard in grad school I broke the top enamel off of all my teeth so they were chipped and sharp and even then it's like whew, at least I wasn't in art school.
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Aug 11, 2019 22:23
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Pick posted:It's because they are getting professional quality work for pennies on the dollar, and they do not really care if anybody dies.  Kanine posted:It's cool how I saw some replies to the SCAD article on social media going "boohoo poor little art students, drawing isnt hard, try doing a real degree in stem" jesus loving christ STEM grads are some of the most delusional idiots that I’ve had the displeasure of interacting with.
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Aug 11, 2019 22:30
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Kitfox88 posted:
I was in STEM and it sucked big-time. Worst egos from the shittiest people I've ever met.
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Aug 11, 2019 22:47
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Kanine posted:Stress, Suicide, and the Savannah College of Art and Design drat, I dated a girl that went to SCAD Atlanta around 2007, we took a few trips down to Savannah around that time. That's insane. I have a good friend who was attending the Atlanta College of Art before it was bought out by SCAD, he dropped out after the acquisition, I guess it was for the best GelatinSkeleton has a new favorite as of 23:31 on Aug 11, 2019 |
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Aug 11, 2019 23:28
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i went to SCAD and i had my share of breakdowns there. it operates on a Quarter-based system rather than a Semester-based system, so basically every class is "crunch time", every assignment is worth a lot more of your grade and there's way less time to actually learn how to do things before the project you'll be graded on is due. IMO the only way to truly succeed is to already be a professional-level artist before you even apply, so the only point of actually attending the school is networking and the degree you get afterwards. i'm a Poor so i was trying to work part time while attending which was not remotely viable if you want to both pass your classes and get some sleep at night, but it was either that or literally not being able to afford to eat so no art school should operate on a quarter based system imo it's laughably ineffectual
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Aug 12, 2019 00:09
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cosmo sex tip posted:i went to SCAD and i had my share of breakdowns there. it operates on a Quarter-based system rather than a Semester-based system, so basically every class is "crunch time", every assignment is worth a lot more of your grade and there's way less time to actually learn how to do things before the project you'll be graded on is due. IMO the only way to truly succeed is to already be a professional-level artist before you even apply, so the only point of actually attending the school is networking and the degree you get afterwards. i'm a Poor so i was trying to work part time while attending which was not remotely viable if you want to both pass your classes and get some sleep at night, but it was either that or literally not being able to afford to eat so But it's not a school. It's a business with the classes being the product.
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Aug 12, 2019 00:16
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Inceltown posted:But it's not a school. It's a business with the classes being the product. oh for sure. it was a decade ago for me but if i could take it all back and go to a state school instead i'd do it in a heartbeat. it's still mostly a scam that leaves you in debt for life but like... at least you'll get a useful degree and probably a better education out of it
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Aug 12, 2019 00:20
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cosmo sex tip posted:i went to SCAD and i had my share of breakdowns there. it operates on a Quarter-based system rather than a Semester-based system, so basically every class is "crunch time", every assignment is worth a lot more of your grade and there's way less time to actually learn how to do things before the project you'll be graded on is due. IMO the only way to truly succeed is to already be a professional-level artist before you even apply, so the only point of actually attending the school is networking and the degree you get afterwards. i'm a Poor so i was trying to work part time while attending which was not remotely viable if you want to both pass your classes and get some sleep at night, but it was either that or literally not being able to afford to eat so I will never, ever understand people that take it as a point of pride when they worked through college. I had what amounted to a full time job my first two years. I think back on it with thoughts like "how the gently caress did I actually survive that?" and "I wouldn't even wish that on my worst enemy." It was awful. Props to anybody else that can work and school at the same time but my response to people that are all like "lol why don't the poors just work through school?" is "I was a poor that did that and nobody should have to do that." Getting through school after quitting that job was pretty tight but scrimping, saving, and living as cheaply as possible on grants and what have you was infinitely better than trying to balance school and a job.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:I will never, ever understand people that take it as a point of pride when they worked through college. I had what amounted to a full time job my first two years. I think back on it with thoughts like "how the gently caress did I actually survive that?" and "I wouldn't even wish that on my worst enemy." It was awful. Props to anybody else that can work and school at the same time but my response to people that are all like "lol why don't the poors just work through school?" is "I was a poor that did that and nobody should have to do that." Getting through school after quitting that job was pretty tight but scrimping, saving, and living as cheaply as possible on grants and what have you was infinitely better than trying to balance school and a job. anyone that gets through a bad situation, and slams the door behind them is a loving rear end in a top hat
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Aug 12, 2019 01:22
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Kanine posted:anyone that gets through a bad situation, and slams the door behind them is a loving rear end in a top hat "Why should *I* have to pay taxes so that other people's children can go to middle school? My father worked hard owning a factory to pay to send me to school, and his father only got a 6th grade education and his life was just fine. Besides, if we provide universal middle school, there will be a critical shortage of chimneysweeps and bootblacks, which will be detrimental to the economy"
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Aug 12, 2019 01:31
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This problem is exacerbated cuz people say, my parents' age (gently caress YOU DAD) tend to not realize how us millenials are making less money while being required to pay more. "I paid my way through a bachelor's by mowing lawns every summer" lol right lemme just make below minimum wage for 2.5 months and then I won't have to worry about tuition or you know, living expenses for the other 10 months.
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Aug 12, 2019 01:37
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ToxicSlurpee posted:I will never, ever understand people that take it as a point of pride when they worked through college. I had what amounted to a full time job my first two years. I think back on it with thoughts like "how the gently caress did I actually survive that?" and "I wouldn't even wish that on my worst enemy." It was awful. Props to anybody else that can work and school at the same time but my response to people that are all like "lol why don't the poors just work through school?" is "I was a poor that did that and nobody should have to do that." Getting through school after quitting that job was pretty tight but scrimping, saving, and living as cheaply as possible on grants and what have you was infinitely better than trying to balance school and a job. yeah same honestly. all the money i made went to living expenses/school supplies anyway and the only result was that i had zero downtime. it was genuinely school, work, homework, repeat. if there was any downtime it was used by getting a few hours of sleep. art school is worthless if you're not making social connections and i did none of that because i was working the entire time and was so broke i was practically starving. no exaggeration there was a point my junior year where i was living on literally 1 baked potato a day, that went on about two weeks before i had a complete emotional breakdown in the street lmao. i have a permanent bald spot due to how much hair i pulled out from stress don't go to for-profit art school kids it's not worth it
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Aug 12, 2019 01:38
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Pick posted:I've never run into a real-life conventional employment situation that was like medical residency, grad school, art school, or any of the other places where they get off on pretentious torture.
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Aug 12, 2019 01:48
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Crab Fishing. Thats basically it.
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Aug 12, 2019 02:06
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And from what I've heard, they at least realize that it's only possible with meth and for a relatively short time.
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Aug 12, 2019 02:34
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throw law schools on the pile of lovely educational industries that produce more burn out, mental illness and substance abuse than they do useful graduates.
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Pick posted:I've never run into a real-life conventional employment situation that was like medical residency, grad school, art school, or any of the other places where they get off on pretentious torture.
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Aug 12, 2019 03:13
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cosmo sex tip posted:
A couple of years ago I read this great article about an unheard of number of cases of scurvy in California. It was seriously creepy, so many cases, in average twenty year olds, right in the middle of L.A.. long story short, it turned out they were all med school students who could only afford/had time to eat at the same lovely hot dog place. ordinary young people, working and studying all the time, some surviving on a a loving hotdog a day for months (at 50 cents a piece so probably not a great dog), until teeth started falling out.
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It's always horrifying learning that the medical education is broken pretty much everywhere. When I was an intern (in mexico) we had to do "night guards" every third day. We would work 36 hours + extra time depending on your rotating service (internal medicine loved doing expositions and classes, so we were out at 6, and surgery was pretty much operating all day, sometimes finishing the day at 7ish). Pretty much every night guard was a skeleton team with 3 residents and an intern that were all hungry, tired and sleep deprived, but loving something up (a note, a class, or not reading up a new article) would get you punished and get you another night guard, which would in turn become a vicious cycle. There was one ortho resident who basically resigned himself to living his whole first year inside the resident quarters since most of his higher ups liked to gently caress with him and punish him for any single detail. I saw a lot of breakdowns, and they would be pretty much be ignored by the education staff since, "thats real life" and "if you cant handle stress you aren't cut out to be a doctor". Last I heard, the night guards were now every fourth day, which sounds a bit better, but our health education system should get a whole revamp considering how stressful it is for a 23 year old thats integral for a hospital to function correctly.
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The first woman featured in his show, about women doing time, is Holly. She is an LGBTQ+ woman who when she was just a teen, was involved with her abusive foster father; eventually leading to robbing two liquor stores and the FFather shoots the clerks dead while she kind of watches him fearfully that he was going to kill her next. Her origins are really hosed up, and the stuff about having to go to court/prison for simply being a teen sex slave hostage repeatedly. Even at the end, her last words to the camera are "Im sorry" and after all the horrible things she is put through, shes still apologzing to a world that let her down. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6KdZBeWSZg
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