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Rev. Bleech_
Oct 19, 2004

~OKAY, WE'LL DRINK TO OUR LEGS!~

Johnny Aztec posted:

How much would that be? You got a flat rate box you could cram them in?

yeah, USPS still does that, looks like it's $10.35 for the medium box

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sirbeefalot
Aug 24, 2004
Fast Learner.
Fun Shoe

The Big Word posted:

I knew a guy who had one of these for his GBA. It had composite input so one day he brought his N64 to school and we played a few awkward rounds of Goldeneye on that tiny non-backlit screen

My eyes are straining just thinking about this.

Lowen SoDium
Jun 5, 2003

Highen Fiber
Clapping Larry
Story time.


When I was about 11 or 12 years old, my best friend and I were taking a road trip with my grandmother to a ski place in Indiana in her old massive Buick Riviera.

I used to have a little pocket LCD TV. I don't think it was this exact one, but it was one pretty drat similar.



That little TV had a 1/8" phono-jack on the top for connecting an external antenna. I used a mono phono to RCA adaptor and a single RCA cord to connect to the RF out on an SNES. Then I Hooked the SNES and the little TV up to a power inverter and we played X-Men: Mutant Apocalypse for the whole drive up. The back seat was a rats nest of cables, converters, and adapters, but we were able to play Super Nintendo games on the go, abet on a tiny 2.2" color screen that probably had pixel response times measured in hundreds of milliseconds.

Johnny Aztec
Jan 30, 2005

by Hand Knit

Rev. Bleech_ posted:

yeah, USPS still does that, looks like it's $10.35 for the medium box

Gimmie yo Paypal.

Horace
Apr 17, 2007

Gone Skiin'

Lowen SoDium posted:

I used to have a little pocket LCD TV.

Even by the standards of the time those LCD screens were not very good.

Lowen SoDium
Jun 5, 2003

Highen Fiber
Clapping Larry

Horace posted:

Even by the standards of the time those LCD screens were not very good.

The reception on them was pretty poo poo too. I remember trying to watch episodes of Star Trek:TNG at night in bed on that thing and it being 20% static snow from a TV station less than 5 miles from my house. I eventually bought an external amplified antenna for it. It was about the same size as the pocket TV but 1/3 as thick. Had 2 extentiable antennas and ran on 2 AA batteries. It got the snow down to about 10%. Can't find a picture of it, though. I think I got it at Radio Shack.

Kazy
Oct 23, 2006

0x38: FLOPPY_INTERNAL_ERROR

LifeSunDeath posted:



you guys remember the game-gear would just chew through batteries...same with the lynx and gameboy.

Look at this person who doesn't know the Game Boy was actually really good with battery life. :colbert:

Geoj
May 28, 2008

BITTER POOR PERSON

LifeSunDeath posted:


you guys remember the game-gear would just chew through batteries...same with the lynx and gameboy.

Hell, I had access to nigh-limitless, free alkaline AA batteries (my father was a photo lab manager and they extracted the batteries out of single use 35mm cameras with a flash, which was powered by a single AA) and I could count on one hand the number of times I ran my Game Gear without the AC adapter or a rechargeable nickle-cadmium battery pack.

bring back old gbs
Feb 28, 2007

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
i had a game gear, it fuckin suuuuuucked lol all the sonic games played bad

but i always heard stories of someones friend of a friend who knew a guy that actually had the TV adapter, no guf

Explosionface
May 30, 2011

We can dance if we want to,
we can leave Marle behind.
'Cause your fiends don't dance,
and if they don't dance,
they'll get a Robo Fist of mine.


I have, tucked away somewhere, a Sidewinder Force Feedback Pro joystick. It was the best joystick I've ever used, with the only limitation being that it used gameport. Playing Crimson Skies with that was the best experience as each different size of gun had a different level of kick to it. My strategy of using .70 caliber guns on everything was extra fun.

madeintaipei
Jul 13, 2012

bring back old gbs posted:

i had a game gear, it fuckin suuuuuucked lol all the sonic games played bad

but i always heard stories of someones friend of a friend who knew a guy that actually had the TV adapter, no guf

Not only had the TV adapter but had the magnifier as well. Hadda 32x, too. It was a consolation prize of sort from my parents getting divorced and some fucker stole it from my dad's apartment.

LifeSunDeath
Jan 4, 2007

still gay rights and smoke weed every day
I found my old Lynx, i think i posted pics of it a while back...had left batteries in it and they swelled up and were totally stuck in there :( Still got my games too...ugh, i wanted to play hard drivin'. Lynx was so ahead of it's time, there was this one sidescrolling shooter type game that you could play up to 8 people at a time with this horrible daisy chained data cable system.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

Lowen SoDium posted:

Story time.


When I was about 11 or 12 years old, my best friend and I were taking a road trip with my grandmother to a ski place in Indiana in her old massive Buick Riviera.

I used to have a little pocket LCD TV. I don't think it was this exact one, but it was one pretty drat similar.



That little TV had a 1/8" phono-jack on the top for connecting an external antenna. I used a mono phono to RCA adaptor and a single RCA cord to connect to the RF out on an SNES. Then I Hooked the SNES and the little TV up to a power inverter and we played X-Men: Mutant Apocalypse for the whole drive up. The back seat was a rats nest of cables, converters, and adapters, but we were able to play Super Nintendo games on the go, abet on a tiny 2.2" color screen that probably had pixel response times measured in hundreds of milliseconds.

I used to have a Casio tv kind of like that one too. Never used it with a console in a car because we didn't do roadtrips but it was cool as hell at the time. Unfortunately it didn't really get enough use at the time and at some point it had a fall and didn't get any signal ever since. I should probably try to dig it up and fix it even though there's no analog tv around here any more.

Trabant
Nov 26, 2011

All systems nominal.

LifeSunDeath posted:

I found my old Lynx, i think i posted pics of it a while back...had left batteries in it and they swelled up and were totally stuck in there :( Still got my games too...ugh, i wanted to play hard drivin'. Lynx was so ahead of it's time, there was this one sidescrolling shooter type game that you could play up to 8 people at a time with this horrible daisy chained data cable system.

It might be salvageable. Depending on your luck, you might just have a few corroded leads.

LifeSunDeath
Jan 4, 2007

still gay rights and smoke weed every day

Trabant posted:

It might be salvageable. Depending on your luck, you might just have a few corroded leads.

It swelled the whole frame of the lynx...i tossed it :(

I actually went through 3 lynxes in total in my career...had the OG long lynx and the charge port broke, i was able to send it in to atari and they gave me a brand new short lynx...but they hosed up and sent 2! So i took one apart when I was a kid, that was fun.


LifeSunDeath has a new favorite as of 00:20 on Aug 28, 2019

Johnny Aztec
Jan 30, 2005

by Hand Knit
You....threw away a Lynx because it had swelled batteries?



Jesus loving christ.

You Am I
May 20, 2001

Me @ your poasting

Trabant posted:

I feel like the case has to be metal, or at least stiff enough (polycarbonate with embedded magnets?) to have satisfying folding action.

And that thought process reminded me of something I haven't seen in the wild for ages:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRDeSCQoCCM

I picked up one still in its box for $5 from a junk shop

Imagined
Feb 2, 2007

mobby_6kl posted:

I used to have a Casio tv kind of like that one too. Never used it with a console in a car because we didn't do roadtrips but it was cool as hell at the time. Unfortunately it didn't really get enough use at the time and at some point it had a fall and didn't get any signal ever since. I should probably try to dig it up and fix it even though there's no analog tv around here any more.

How would you know if you fixed it? :ohdear:

uli2000
Feb 23, 2015

LifeSunDeath posted:

Oh snap i forgot this existed, never had a game gear but really wanted it for the TV situation



bring back old gbs posted:

i had a game gear, it fuckin suuuuuucked lol all the sonic games played bad

but i always heard stories of someones friend of a friend who knew a guy that actually had the TV adapter, no guf

I had one with the TV adapter. I never had any of the games for it, only used it for TV. Bought it when I moved to the UK from another guy who was returning to the US. He said because it played games you didn't have to buy a TV license which I could hardly afford on the pittance I was being paid, and that they couldnt track it like they could a full sized TV. I think most of it was bullshit but he was happy to take my £50. Suprisingly, the US tv adapter worked even though the broadcast standards were different.

Konstantin
Jun 20, 2005
And the Lord said, "Look, they are one people, and they have all one language; and this is only the beginning of what they will do; nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them.
As an American, the whole concept of TV Licensing seems incredibly archaic. You want a tax on TVs, but you don't tax TV sets, or have people pay it through their cable or satellite company, or even roll it in to the general income tax. Instead you try to find out who watches TV, as opposed to just using the set to play video games or watch movies, and attempt to collect a special, separate tax on just those people, using an entirely separate government department. You apparently also have to pay the tax if you watch certain Internet streams, but it isn't very clear which ones and they don't enforce it. Did I mention this is a flat tax, which is bad policy for a whole host of reasons? How the hell is this still a thing in 2019?

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius

LifeSunDeath posted:

It swelled the whole frame of the lynx...i tossed it :(

I actually went through 3 lynxes in total in my career...had the OG long lynx and the charge port broke, i was able to send it in to atari and they gave me a brand new short lynx...but they hosed up and sent 2! So i took one apart when I was a kid, that was fun.




You threw it away over swollen batteries? Have you ever heard of a screw driver?

0toShifty
Aug 21, 2005
0 to Stiffy?

Konstantin posted:

As an American, the whole concept of TV Licensing seems incredibly archaic.

Brought to you by the country that also had the fireplace tax, playing card tax, brick tax and window tax!

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
They once had a tax on paper. The stuff you can make by smashing wood pulp.

Unperson_47
Oct 14, 2007



0toShifty posted:

Brought to you by the country that also had the fireplace tax, playing card tax, brick tax and window tax!

Could you combine the last two into a more affordable broken window tax?

edit: Reading about the brick tax made me learn the phrase "Wilkes' gobs."

Lynxifer
Jan 2, 2005
Comedy "Buttsecks" Option
#TVLicencing chat.

For years, a lot of people have raged about the whole TV Licence thing, since it all goes to the BBC, but you need one to watch any and all live TV broadcasts (including non BBC channels, and Cable & Satellite TV). You'll get occassional flareups when things like Jimmy Saville / Operation Yewtree kick up, where people complain it's being used to subsiside those sorts of actions, and there is even whole YouTube channels dedicated to "fighting" the enforcement agents who come round to your house and try and demand to verify that you don't have a TV set. Except, they are really really shady about the rules.

In the 90's, they ran a whole slew of adverts about how they had super secret advanced technology that could detect a TV set from outside your house and that was enough to get you for thousands of pounds of fines and a criminal record. One of the adverts included a man who tried to loop a recording of a chicken in the Microwave to avoid the agent, before it cut to the man in the bath singing and this outed him as a bad person, and you got the scare tactics of fines and prison.
Except:

1) That was never true, even if they could "detect" a TV, it wasn't legally enforceable on the magic finder box alone.
2) It's not a legal requirement to have a TV licence just because you have a TV.

It's always been that you only need it to watch live television (including recording it). If it's been pre-recorded by someone else, you're watching a home movie or playing those new fangled video games consoles, then you are exempt.

Even today the enforcement agents will try their hardest to convince you that you need said licence to just have one in your house. If you have the audacity to claim that you don't need it, they'll demand to enter your house and "verify" this, by checking your television isn't capable of receiving signal, but with Smart TV's having BBC iPlayer or the ITV Hub pre-installed, even if you don't have and aerial installed, it's trivial for any agent to fudge it one way or the other.

In closing, I am not a fan of the current TV licencing legislation. I am wholly unsurprised about a brick or fireplace tax...

buddhist nudist
May 16, 2019

Plinkey posted:

I played quake 3 with a joystick/keyboard combo for a while, from what I remember the joystick was my left hand front/back straff and the arrow keys were turn left/right, shoot with space, jump with up/down or something weird like that.

It was completely incomprehensible to anyone that would sit down to play with my key mapping but worked for me somehow.

I think the most recent xbox one PC compatible controllers are just bluetooth, no more special dongle needed and also work with the consoles.

Bluetooth built in:


Non-Bluetooth:


Bluetooth, works with windows without the usb dongle:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01LPNKGGI/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I knew built-in Bluetooth has been pretty standard in Laptops for years, but I had no idea it had started being common in desktops or otherwise generally common enough for manufacturers to discard the dongle. Awesome.

Plinkey posted:

This was also how it worked the whole way back to the Duke, it was just USB with a different plug, but the drivers were community made from what I remember until MS relented and released their own XP drivers. So if you got just the breakaway end for cheap you could use the controller on either an xbox or PC with no modification to the actual controller.

Yeah, all three consoles from that generation technically used USB and while they were easy to plug into your PC with a special adapter, you usually had to spend quite a bit of time configuring Joy2Key simply to get them to function worse than they did on console. And then tweak it for every game you wanted to use it for.

Rev. Bleech_ posted:

yeah, USPS still does that, looks like it's $10.35 for the medium box

God drat, my back hurts just remembering these exist. I won't tell you not to take advantage of a good deal, but use a bit of bubble wrap because nobody's happy to see a flat rate box marked "warning: heavy"

Re: TV License, has SA skewed my perception or is it actually a tax that technically exists and literally nobody pays?

buddhist nudist has a new favorite as of 09:45 on Aug 28, 2019

Rectus
Apr 27, 2008

Explosionface posted:

I have, tucked away somewhere, a Sidewinder Force Feedback Pro joystick. It was the best joystick I've ever used, with the only limitation being that it used gameport. Playing Crimson Skies with that was the best experience as each different size of gun had a different level of kick to it. My strategy of using .70 caliber guns on everything was extra fun.

Fun fact: The regualr gameport joystick interface is really limited, so apparently the Force Feedback Pro uses the MIDI interface of the gameport instead.

I have one as well, and a long time ago, I bought one of those gameport to USB adapters to try to get it working. But since those only emulate the joystick protocol, it didn't work. Seems like there are people online who have reverse engineered the protocol used and built USB converters for it.

Rectus
Apr 27, 2008

Lynxifer posted:

#TVLicencing chat.

In the 90's, they ran a whole slew of adverts about how they had super secret advanced technology that could detect a TV set from outside your house and that was enough to get you for thousands of pounds of fines and a criminal record.

1) That was never true, even if they could "detect" a TV, it wasn't legally enforceable on the magic finder box alone.


Apparently they used radiolocation here is Sweden in the '80s and early '90s to detect unlicensed TVs. It seemed to rely on TVs being badly shielded though, so not sure how effective it would have been. Guessing it was more of a scare tactic, just like in the UK. I remember all the scare ads they had on the public service channels.

https://web.archive.org/web/20081205191228/http://www.tekniskamuseet.se/templates/Page.aspx?id=3482


The Swedish TV license got turned into a tax this year since they couldn't put licensing fees on everything that could stream TV.

LifeSunDeath
Jan 4, 2007

still gay rights and smoke weed every day

Cojawfee posted:

You threw it away over swollen batteries? Have you ever heard of a screw driver?

Meh, I'm like the opposite of a hoarder, I found it in a box in my my mom's attic and was shocked it was there at all. Also emulators exist.

Pham Nuwen
Oct 30, 2010



Cojawfee posted:

They once had a tax on paper. The stuff you can make by smashing wood pulp.

They put a tax on tea a while back and look where that got them.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


I cannot believe earlier today I left a cinema after watching 'The Matrix' on the silver screen. loving 20 years ago it came out. At least this time the booze was provided and served instead of snuck and dumped into my overpriced cinema drink.

Weatherman
Jul 30, 2003

WARBLEKLONK

Lynxifer posted:

#TVLicencing chat.

For years, a lot of people have raged about the whole TV Licence thing, since it all goes to the BBC, but you need one to watch any and all live TV broadcasts (including non BBC channels, and Cable & Satellite TV). You'll get occassional flareups when things like Jimmy Saville / Operation Yewtree kick up, where people complain it's being used to subsiside those sorts of actions, and there is even whole YouTube channels dedicated to "fighting" the enforcement agents who come round to your house and try and demand to verify that you don't have a TV set. Except, they are really really shady about the rules.

In the 90's, they ran a whole slew of adverts about how they had super secret advanced technology that could detect a TV set from outside your house and that was enough to get you for thousands of pounds of fines and a criminal record. One of the adverts included a man who tried to loop a recording of a chicken in the Microwave to avoid the agent, before it cut to the man in the bath singing and this outed him as a bad person, and you got the scare tactics of fines and prison.
Except:

1) That was never true, even if they could "detect" a TV, it wasn't legally enforceable on the magic finder box alone.
2) It's not a legal requirement to have a TV licence just because you have a TV.

It's always been that you only need it to watch live television (including recording it). If it's been pre-recorded by someone else, you're watching a home movie or playing those new fangled video games consoles, then you are exempt.

Even today the enforcement agents will try their hardest to convince you that you need said licence to just have one in your house. If you have the audacity to claim that you don't need it, they'll demand to enter your house and "verify" this, by checking your television isn't capable of receiving signal, but with Smart TV's having BBC iPlayer or the ITV Hub pre-installed, even if you don't have and aerial installed, it's trivial for any agent to fudge it one way or the other.

In closing, I am not a fan of the current TV licencing legislation. I am wholly unsurprised about a brick or fireplace tax...

Glorious Nippon hears your story and says "hold my beer".

- If you own a device that can receive TV broadcasts, you must pay the NHK fee. This includes car navigation systems, cellphones with one-seg TV receivers, and "smart" (gently caress that poo poo) fridges that have TV tuners built in for some reason.
- Even if you physically remove the antenna ports from the TV because you're just using HDMI input for your PC or games machine or whatever, you have to pay.
- NHK agents will demand to enter your house to check if you have a TV, connected/working/powered-on or not, inside. If you do, you have to pay.

There is a novelty political party whose single issue is "gently caress the TV fees, our aim is to destroy NHK entirely" and they did well enough in the recent Upper House election that they won a seat, classification as an honest-to-God political party, and public funding for their entire term.

Basically it's every single thing you mentioned about the BBC but turned up to 11.

My Lovely Horse
Aug 21, 2010

Weatherman posted:

- If you own a device that can receive TV broadcasts, you must pay the NHK fee. This includes car navigation systems, cellphones with one-seg TV receivers, and "smart" (gently caress that poo poo) fridges that have TV tuners built in for some reason.
- Even if you physically remove the antenna ports from the TV because you're just using HDMI input for your PC or games machine or whatever, you have to pay.
This used to be until quite recently the way it was set up in Germany, too, and was heavily criticized and eventually changed around 2013. Would you like to know what simple and modern model they changed it to?

Every household pays the fee.

Hirayuki
Mar 28, 2010


Weatherman posted:

- NHK agents will demand to enter your house to check if you have a TV, connected/working/powered-on or not, inside. If you do, you have to pay.
But you can ignore them at the door and refuse to let them in, right?

These seem relevant (not to the thread, but to the current discussion):
https://soranews24.com/2017/12/18/nhk-repelling-stickers-free-for-anyone-wanting-to-keep-away-japans-public-tv-fee-collectors/

https://soranews24.com/2017/02/16/w-t-f-japan-top-5-ways-to-get-rid-of-the-annoying-door-to-door-nhk-guy-%E3%80%90weird-top-five%E3%80%91/

Guy Axlerod
Dec 29, 2008

Weatherman posted:

Glorious Nippon hears your story and says "hold my beer".

- If you own a device that can receive TV broadcasts, you must pay the NHK fee. This includes car navigation systems, cellphones with one-seg TV receivers, and "smart" (gently caress that poo poo) fridges that have TV tuners built in for some reason.
- Even if you physically remove the antenna ports from the TV because you're just using HDMI input for your PC or games machine or whatever, you have to pay.
- NHK agents will demand to enter your house to check if you have a TV, connected/working/powered-on or not, inside. If you do, you have to pay.

There is a novelty political party whose single issue is "gently caress the TV fees, our aim is to destroy NHK entirely" and they did well enough in the recent Upper House election that they won a seat, classification as an honest-to-God political party, and public funding for their entire term.

Basically it's every single thing you mentioned about the BBC but turned up to 11.

Does the NHK give kickbacks to companies who put TV tuners in products where they don't belong (Smart Fridges)?

In the US, PBS stations just interrupt normal programs to ask very nicely for you to send them money.

Inspector Gesicht
Oct 26, 2012

500 Zeus a body.


I'd ask if Japanese TV have the cultural equivalent of Jimmy Saville, but It fear like any other country, the answer would be yes.

KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


Weatherman posted:

Glorious Nippon hears your story and says "hold my beer".

- If you own a device that can receive TV broadcasts, you must pay the NHK fee. This includes car navigation systems, cellphones with one-seg TV receivers, and "smart" (gently caress that poo poo) fridges that have TV tuners built in for some reason.
- Even if you physically remove the antenna ports from the TV because you're just using HDMI input for your PC or games machine or whatever, you have to pay.
- NHK agents will demand to enter your house to check if you have a TV, connected/working/powered-on or not, inside. If you do, you have to pay.

Sounds a lot like Danish public radio/TV.

Possessing any device that can receive broadcasts, including anything with an internet connection faster than 256kbit/s (:lol:) means you must pay the licence fee. No exceptions, and their agents will knock on your door and demand entry to check. Sometimes they'll just send a bill+signup form, since "obviously you just forgot to sign up".

The trick is that they have no legal basis to demand anything. The fee is technically mandatory, but there are no legal means for them to fine you or cut off your signal if you simply refuse to let them in, and never sign up.

Pham Nuwen
Oct 30, 2010



Guy Axlerod posted:

Does the NHK give kickbacks to companies who put TV tuners in products where they don't belong (Smart Fridges)?

In the US, PBS stations just interrupt normal programs to ask very nicely for you to send them money.

If you give them money once, they'll also send you letters every month asking for more.

Plinkey
Aug 4, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Guy Axlerod posted:

In the US, PBS stations just interrupt normal programs to ask very nicely for you to send them money.

The closest thing in the US would probably be C-SPAN, but that's for cable subscribers and it's only 6c per person.

Pham Nuwen posted:

If you give them money once, they'll also send you letters every month asking for more.

But you can get a cool tote bag!

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Lowen SoDium
Jun 5, 2003

Highen Fiber
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mobby_6kl posted:

I used to have a Casio tv kind of like that one too. Never used it with a console in a car because we didn't do roadtrips but it was cool as hell at the time. Unfortunately it didn't really get enough use at the time and at some point it had a fall and didn't get any signal ever since. I should probably try to dig it up and fix it even though there's no analog tv around here any more.

Imagined posted:

How would you know if you fixed it? :ohdear:


Turns out he dropped it at exactly 11:59 PM June 12, 2009.

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