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I'm trying to get a few friends together for a new Blood Bowl league, and haven't payed the game much attention since the re-release a few years ago. I bought the boxed set and Death Zone Season 1 at that time. It looks like all I need to get the rules with all teams included and whatnot is the Inaugural Almanac, right? Also I have the My Dugout app, but it doesn't look like it's up to date anymore, did they abandon that thing? AND WHERE ARE MY LIZARD MANS?!
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Sep 2, 2019 14:48
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Reynold posted:AND WHERE ARE MY LIZARD MANS?! 
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Sep 2, 2019 15:17
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Reynold posted:I'm trying to get a few friends together for a new Blood Bowl league, and haven't payed the game much attention since the re-release a few years ago. I bought the boxed set and Death Zone Season 1 at that time. It looks like all I need to get the rules with all teams included and whatnot is the Inaugural Almanac, right? Also I have the My Dugout app, but it doesn't look like it's up to date anymore, did they abandon that thing? The Inaugural Almanac is DZ 1 & 2 combined. DZ 2 has more star players and teams (Goblins, Renegades, and Underworld), as well as sponsorship and stadium rules. It also has revised and additional skills. If you already have DZ 1 I'd just get 2, unless you want them all in one place. GW also has Teams of Legend which contains most of the missing teams, although ones with official releases since may have different costs/rules. The Dugout app is abandoned as far as I can tell and a waste of goddamned money anyway. I've been using Zetan's Blood Bowl Roster, which works fine with Sheets on Android, and is up to date. Lizards are coming, thankfully. e: Some mans I've been working on:        Blood Bowl is fun and more people should play it:   spacegoat fucked around with this message at 16:33 on Sep 2, 2019 |
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Sep 2, 2019 16:22
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Right on. I believe I posted some of my dudes years ago but I shelved BB in favor over churning through my 40k backlog quite some time ago, and now that I'm halfway through my last squad of Steel Legion (70+ guardsmen later) I'm ready for a break, and slapping together some football mans and tricking my filthy casual friends into playing this infuriating game sounds like a lot of fun. Behold, the 1983 Miami Dolphins:  I only actually painted like 3 dudes, and am maybe 30% done with the rest of the team, since I was doing the whole batch at the time.
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Sep 2, 2019 16:52
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jadebullet posted:Just figured I would post a few progress pics of "De Rubrum Taurus" of Legio Vulpa that I am painting up. I'm really liking how it is turning out. That freehand is fuggin awesome. I’m envious that I will never be able to pull something like that off.
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Sep 2, 2019 17:11
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Merton Blask posted:I really hope they take a good long look at Ratskins before bringing them back, as recently the GotU book they're still treating them as a direct import of the old Noble Savage tropes, right down to the firewater. Absolutely agree on the Ratskins, their previous incarnation was silly if not downright offensive. I am a fan of most of the new stuff they have designed, really, they just need to be faster at releasing the models! Brutes and more pets would be nice, the promised plastic juves, champions, specialists and prospects even more so. I like your articles on Necromunda tactics but I am not sure I always agree with their conclusions. There are a lot of ways to do a gang in Necromunda, the choices are manifold. Delaque actually aren’t particularly squishier than any other gang, T3 and their starting armour save are standard. Similarly, while they don’t get much in heavy weapons, they can take plasma, melta, grenades just like anyone else, and of course their trading post access is the same. Dirty tricks are perfectly usable, yes, but other gangs can do them too, either just as easily or gated behind a minor trading roll. Essentially I think all tactics articles need a disclaimer that this is the archetypal way to play a gang, going to the options it steers you to, shaped by commonly available weapon bits, etc. However if you are truly open to anything in the rulebook, all gangs can stretch to most things. There are only a couple outliers like Goliath S/T and Van Saar BS - in both senses of the word, drat them. I mean, a Delaque champ may not be quite as fearsome hand to hand as some others, and the thematic ways to build one for melee are basically web gauntlet, as you say. But like most models he’s a 30-credit chainaxe away from being fairly tasty. I do like your run downs of skills and tactics cards. However poorly balanced the former and limited-availability the latter are, they really are the fixed difference between gangs.
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Sep 2, 2019 18:08
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Genghis Cohen posted:I like your articles on Necromunda tactics but I am not sure I always agree with their conclusions. There are a lot of ways to do a gang in Necromunda, the choices are manifold. Delaque actually aren’t particularly squishier than any other gang, T3 and their starting armour save are standard. Similarly, while they don’t get much in heavy weapons, they can take plasma, melta, grenades just like anyone else, and of course their trading post access is the same. Dirty tricks are perfectly usable, yes, but other gangs can do them too, either just as easily or gated behind a minor trading roll. Yeah, that's valid. We touched a little bit on possible campaign progression, but most of what we're doing so far, at least in our column's infancy, is admittedly geared towards skirmish and early campaign play. I'd love to come back to these articles once we've covered these bare minimums and discuss how the houses evolve over the course of campaigns as things start to get really crazy, but that's gonna be a while off. Plus it's probably going to be fall at the earliest by the time I'm deep enough in a L&M campaign to start buying all this weird gear. (PS Chainaxes are amazing, 100% agreed)
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Sep 2, 2019 18:42
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What's the issue with overseer? Haven't managed to get a game going more than one session so far. And what's your house ruled replacement?
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Sep 2, 2019 19:35
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Merton Blask posted:Yeah, that's valid. We touched a little bit on possible campaign progression, but most of what we're doing so far, at least in our column's infancy, is admittedly geared towards skirmish and early campaign play. I'd love to come back to these articles once we've covered these bare minimums and discuss how the houses evolve over the course of campaigns as things start to get really crazy, but that's gonna be a while off. I see your point about starting games or skirmish, yeah. Maybe for long campaigns a more gang-agnostic article(s) on trading post weapons, war gear, and skills would be good. One thing I remember from old-cromunda, can’t remember an example offhand for the new version, is some skills were made obsolete, although they looked fairly tasty, because they were either not as good as a straight stat increase or because you could get a piece of equipment which mimics the effects. Kaza42 posted:What's the issue with overseer? Haven't managed to get a game going more than one session so far. And what's your house ruled replacement? Overseer is the only way in the game (outside of tactics cards) to have a model just act twice in a row. You group activate the overseer leader and the target model, doing the overseer activation first. This can set up terrific attacks and jump the limitations of alternating activations to lay waste to an opposing gang who might have otherwise expected to be safe. Moving a heavy flamer or other template a significant way before firing into a group, or perhaps charging one model, taking it out, and then charging another, who might otherwise have been expected to take revenge.
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Sep 2, 2019 22:33
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I liked the Ratskins in that oldschool Necromunda was basically a Western, but the 90s feel like a million years ago. It'd be nice to see deep-hive natives go a different direction. Wildlings from GoT might be a good inspiration, or the Celts and Germanic tribes living outside of Rome's rule. There's sufficient time and distance that using them as the signifier for "magic 'uncivilized' barbarian tribes" isn't as irredeemably hosed as using Native American coding for that archetype.
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Sep 2, 2019 22:34
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Season 1 shadespire warbands seem like they’re being retired from sale. Tempted to get some skeletons before the profiteering really starts
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Sep 2, 2019 22:57
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Sep 2, 2019 23:02
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I played a bit of Warcry over the weekend, it was quite good fun! Playing as the Cypher lords I seemed to pretty much take apart my friends Iron Golems by just continually backflipping right the gently caress out of engagement.
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Sep 2, 2019 23:06
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Solemn Sloth posted:Season 1 shadespire warbands seem like they’re being retired from sale. Tempted to get some skeletons before the profiteering really starts Wait, what? Where did you hear this?
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Sep 2, 2019 23:59
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Pyrolocutus posted:Wait, what? Where did you hear this? Lots are listed as no longer available on the website. How does Underworlds stack up to Warcry?
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Sep 3, 2019 00:37
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In addition to being unavailable on the website there’s this post from reddit claiming to quote an email from GW to distributors https://www.reddit.com/r/WarhammerUnderworlds/comments/cypvcl/shadespire_warbands_no_longer_available_for_sale/?st=K032BAV0&sh=9d6826c1
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Sep 3, 2019 00:56
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Reynold posted:Lots are listed as no longer available on the website. It's a completely different game, so there's really no comparison. I mean I enjoy underworlds, but there is a deck building component to it, so that may or may not be a deal-breaker for you. Also with the first season being up in the air now, I'm not sure exactly how those warbands are going to fare in season 3.
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Sep 3, 2019 01:11
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At a glance, it looks like hex-based Warcry with cards. Some cool models tho.
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Sep 3, 2019 01:12
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Reynold posted:At a glance, it looks like hex-based Warcry with cards. Some cool models tho. It's more like MTG with miniatures, though that's really not quite 100% accurate either. I suppose comparing Underworlds to Xwing is probably more correct - you've got miniatures that use a deck of cards to represent abilities and upgrades.
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Sep 3, 2019 10:39
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spacegoat posted:I've been using Zetan's Blood Bowl Roster, which works fine with Sheets on Android, and is up to date. I've had to use a modified version of that for my league, as it's really not up-to-date with the latest team changes. There's also another almanac which collected the WD-only rules, plus the updates in Spike! magazine.
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Sep 3, 2019 11:11
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I will be very surprised if the Shadespire models are completely OOP, there's supposed to be a Community article explaining what's going on. They probably should have published that before yanking the models though. My bet is that rotating the cards out when the next season drops means that they'll have to repackage the older warbands without the no-longer-legal neutrals. berzerkmonkey posted:It's more like MTG with miniatures, though that's really not quite 100% accurate either. I suppose comparing Underworlds to Xwing is probably more correct - you've got miniatures that use a deck of cards to represent abilities and upgrades. And on top of that, dice rolls.
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Sep 3, 2019 11:18
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So like, you have your Underworld warband, and your deck that came with, but you had to buy a core set and two other warbands to get the cards you wanted to optimize your play style. That kind of thing? Then the new season (do they release new stuff in waves like that every year or so?) comes out and you need to buy "Greg's Face Rippers" to get the next new hotness for your deck?
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Sep 3, 2019 11:41
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Reynold posted:So like, you have your Underworld warband, and your deck that came with, but you had to buy a core set and two other warbands to get the cards you wanted to optimize your play style. That kind of thing? Then the new season (do they release new stuff in waves like that every year or so?) comes out and you need to buy "Greg's Face Rippers" to get the next new hotness for your deck? P. much, yeah
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Sep 3, 2019 11:56
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So far I've been pretty much buying the warbands I'm only interested in, but yeah the model so far has been either doing that, or if you want to be truly competitive buy the warbands with the good neutrals. Personally I would be pretty happy if they went to a "we're only packing warbands with warband-specific cards and releasing that season's universals in separate pack" model.
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Sep 3, 2019 13:11
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Pyrolocutus posted:Personally I would be pretty happy if they went to a "we're only packing warbands with warband-specific cards and releasing that season's universals in separate pack" model. Same here. I skipped most of the Season Two factions because I just didn't care about them and it was perfectly fine. If you are the kind of person who wants to play very competitively you might need all of them, but it is absolutely not a huge deal to just get a starter and the guys you want to play and nothing else. I am very interested in the digital version though. Blood Bowl is great online, and Shadespire would be too.
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Sep 3, 2019 13:26
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Should I hold off on buying anything but that Barnes and noble set until Beastgrave drops? I saw they might be changing it up a bit and the old cards might not be usable anymore.
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Sep 3, 2019 13:28
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Lord_Hambrose posted:If you are the kind of person who wants to play very competitively you might need all of them, but it is absolutely not a huge deal to just get a starter and the guys you want to play and nothing else. They're not "starters". I think going ahead it might be fine to pick up a warband and just use the cards available in it, but that certainly wasn't the case in the first season. Reynold posted:Should I hold off on buying anything but that Barnes and noble set until Beastgrave drops? I saw they might be changing it up a bit and the old cards might not be usable anymore. I'll put money on the season 1 cards cycling, but season 2 will stay valid for another year, so it depends entirely on how much you want to play this game. The B&N box is a starter set but also isn't exactly the same as Underworlds.
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Sep 3, 2019 14:05
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Dreadfane is going to be in stock at B&N for some time, if Blitz Bowl is an indicator, so there is no rush to go out and get it. Honestly, I'd wait until Beastgrave and see what happens. You might very well see the Dreadfane warbands released with universal cards - the Dreadfane set comes with 64 of the 124 available cards, which means there is a universal pack that's going to make an appearance at some point.
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Sep 3, 2019 14:20
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Also, we have a thread for
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Sep 3, 2019 15:23
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Lmao right on
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Sep 3, 2019 15:35
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berzerkmonkey posted:I suppose comparing Underworlds to Xwing is probably more correct - you've got miniatures that use a deck of cards to represent abilities and upgrades. That's a good thing! Underworlds feels infinitely more tactical and exciting than a game like, say, Kill Team. My guess is that people who are looking for a well-designed game will prefer Underworlds, and people looking for a little looser/narrative experience will prefer Warcry. Underworlds is also much more like a traditional board game than most GW games, so it's easy to get "non-miniature-gamers" into.
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Sep 4, 2019 02:16
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I'm thinking of adding a Cool check on Overwatch (or your attack becomes BS6+ before modifiers) and a leadership check on Overseer. Thoughts? Any other right/wrong choice NM skills I should consider?
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Sep 4, 2019 14:36
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Moose-Alini posted:That freehand is fuggin awesome. I’m envious that I will never be able to pull something like that off. Thanks man, I really appreciate it. The freehand wasn't that troublesome, to tell you the truth. With a bit of practice I'm sure you would be able to do it. What I did was print out a still of the Red Bull from The Last Unicorn, then go over all of the line work with a sharpie for reference. Then, using a dark brown red for the base, I painted on the shape of the Bull's head. Then, using my sharpied printout as a guide, I carefully recreated the line work in dark brown. The secret to crisp line work, I've found, is to dip your brush in Vallejo flow improver before dipping it into the paint. Then it is just a matter of building up highlights on the base color, and using a bit of black wash to create shadows where needed. The flames I added for contrast, since the red on red kind of washed it out.
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Sep 4, 2019 16:16
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Anyone got any experience with Ambots? Any good?
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Sep 4, 2019 17:38
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Solemn Sloth posted:Season 1 shadespire warbands seem like they’re being retired from sale. Tempted to get some skeletons before the profiteering really starts Note that the Underworlds Warband boxes (including the cards) are what has currently been pulled from sale. You can still buy the model only box (that they sell for AoS). Skelly bois are here.
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Sep 5, 2019 00:37
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Skelly Boi WarCry rules when tho?
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Sep 5, 2019 03:18
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Reynold posted:Skelly Boi WarCry rules when tho? Do you mean Legions of Negash?
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Sep 5, 2019 03:29
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Floppychop posted:Do you mean Legions of Negash? No I mean rules for a skelly mans Warband that comes in a single box and not a bunch of rando models from an army I don't have
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Sep 5, 2019 03:34
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Reynold posted:No I mean rules for a skelly mans Warband that comes in a single box and not a bunch of rando models from an army I don't have Get a single box of Graveguard or skeleton warriors then.
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Or, you know, use Shadespire skellies as proxies for those.
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