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zoux posted:Which is The Salvation War: Hell steps up to the plate to try and take over the Earth. Pretty much from the start it becomes clear that they might've been able to do it in the 1940s or so but they did it by sending an army into basically the middle of Iraq 2.
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Ice Fist posted:Ah yes, the timeless debate of depleted uranium, high explosives and small arms fire vs the anti-christ still unanswered by scholars worldwide. YOU WILL NOT BE SAVED BY THE HOLY GHOST YOU WILL NOT BE SAVED BY THE GOD PLUTONIUM IN FACT... YOU WILL NOT BE SAVED!
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zoux posted:Are the Slade books worth reading, I mean I can get into a Clancy book even knowing that he's full of poo poo and a facist So Slade was/is IIRC, a nuke analyst. And that's his big claim to fame in his books is that he has super detailed knowledge as to US (non-class) nuclear policies and thus could write compelling technothrillers the way Clancy does; however that's only half of it; the other half of it is that he was also a regular poster on Stardestroyer.net. So In the case of his Earth is invaded by Hell series actually also worked various other forums posters as guest insert characters into his story and likewise much like how Something Awful has various threads maintained by people who are experts in their fields, Slade would get input and advice on various fields and use that to write something that could come across as more plausible given that it's still basically science fiction. So you have the Clancy technothriller compelling narrative thing and they were quite popular. However he also mainly wrote them on the fanfic board of Stardestroyer, usually posting an advance chapter on his own personal forums with the intent of later self publishing them (Oh man if he had access to Patreon back then...). Which isn't unreasonable as this is also what he did with his previous series which he did self-publish series called "The Big One" which was an alt-hist science fiction series where because England was knocked out of the war, the US stockpiled a LOT of nukes and just carpet nuked Nazi occupied Europe and the series basically picked up from to follow the post-war new order of a world divided in a USA-USSR alliance vs a World Wide Islamic Wahhabist Caliphate and their remnant German advisors, and their Japanese allies who fully occupy China. Highlights: -South African soldiers running over Obama's dad before Obama was born. Why? Just Because It Could Happen. -Slade engage in an almost Dante like obsession with hating Robert McNamara for his "Treason" of not liking bombers and preferring ICBMs over the glorious bomber. -Islamophobia. Slade tried to hem and haw about this, but at one point when an Muslim forums poster critiqued Slades interpretation of how a world wide sharia caliphate "would actually be like" Slade on Stardestroyed hemmed and hawed about how it wasn't supposed to be taken as "real" but as  deconstruction of wishful fulfillment and how it fucks everyone over to get what they want (while still maintaining that a Wahabbist Caliphate is what muslims actually want) but then on his personal forums which are private unless you happened to be a member of both forums (cough), bad mouthed him as like, a islamist jihadist mole.Slade would later go on to have a meltdown when some Ukrainian poster posted the pdf of his written works up until that point on a torrent site and then left stardestroyer in a huff when the forums refused to ban that poster; and honestly I don't really remember the details but I think Slades stardom with Stardestroyer was on very shakey ground as Slade's honestly batshit conservativism had finally run its course and the forums user base at large got more and more familiar with the people he was friends with; like the guy he made a moderator of his website that honestly wanted 600 million "liberals" to be killed off. So, are his End Times books worth reading, hrm; I mean back when he was a regular they were fairly popular if a bit controversial and there's cool things about them but he's turned out to be such a shithead in the end that I don't think so. They were fun at the time especially in the way he interacted with the community and people look forward to new chapters; and he was much more restrained in leaving out his assholery when writing; but at one point he wanted to have a chapter where they discovered that aborted fetuses went to hell and there were eaten by demons and continued to live in pain and agony as malformed lumps of sentient flesh. He also had a chapter where a woman who had died of old age successfully sued to have her will revoked and kept he estate instead of giving it to her now adult kids and their family who were in debt; our of pure boomer selfishness because he had to work in hatred of millennials in I guess. And McNamara is in the 9th circle of hell alongside Brutus and the other famous traitors of history. I'm not sure but there might be something interesting in reading a community interested writing project headed by a conservative broken by 9/11 but not completely driven yet to insanity by having a black man in the white house and thus operated under some modicum of restraint when writing. Like Kliment Voroshilov sets up a new peoples republic populated by all of the souls of everyone who died in the USSR and is one of the protagonists along with Julius Caesar who has a Republic of his own after Hell is liberated. So you have weird and interesting things occasionally interspersed by what the gently caress.
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That famous Roman Republican, Julius Caesar. Sounds like I'll give them a miss then, cheers.
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Like the basic idea (the Apocalypse happens but nobody checked on human technology since medieval times and the demons get curbstomped) is interesting, but even the basic writing is just okay before you get to Slade being an rear end in a top hat.
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zoux posted:That famous Roman Republican, Julius Caesar.
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zoux posted:That famous Roman Republican, Julius Caesar. I mean he literally was, assuming you count Sulla as one which most people do.
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chitoryu12 posted:Like the basic idea (the Apocalypse happens but nobody checked on human technology since medieval times and the demons get curbstomped) is interesting, but even the basic writing is just okay before you get to Slade being an rear end in a top hat. That premise was already used in the ridiculous Doom novelizations.
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If they had "checked on humanity" would they have, what, started infernal DARPA? Imagine military procurement in Hell.
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Ice Fist posted:Ah yes, the timeless debate of depleted uranium, high explosives and small arms fire vs the anti-christ still unanswered by scholars worldwide. And gets funnier if you're familiar with the Bible and realize that 'the Anti-christ' is nowhere to be found and is a fabrication of later scholars, generally conflated with the false prophet of Revelation.
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zoux posted:I grew up as a non-denominational evangelical Christian, and one of the ideas of this particular flavor of Protestantism is that demons and angels are real, they look like common depictions of them, and they are all around us, unseen, protecting us and tempting us, and they are full on at war. The point is to add a militaristic aspect to one's faith, as though one is actually fighting demons when they make moral choices, so that's the mindset I was in when I was 8-13ish. This dude Frank Peretti wrote these books (Piercing the Darkness and this Present Darkness) where he described such a world, with major angels and demons doing full on battle unseen in our bedrooms as we struggle against jacking off, and it was just the most badass thing I'd ever read. It's given me a lifelong interest in wars against, between or otherwise involving the Host of heaven and hordes of the Pit, as well as a silly interest in things like angel hierarchies and ranks and purposes of demons.
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zoux posted:Imagine military procurement in Hell.
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HEY GUNS posted:become orthodox lol Oooh exarchs
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zoux posted:Oooh exarchs why are you not in the religionthread then, you'd probably like it
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zoux posted:If they had "checked on humanity" would they have, what, started infernal DARPA? Imagine military procurement in Hell. IIRC The Demons are for their credit decently quick to react and adapt to the situation they find themselves in. IIRC they adapt very rapidly through centuries of organizational and tactical evolution to adapt to the humans they're facing. If they had realized it isn't a far stretch to imagine they would have tried various far more damaging means of striking at humanity. Also Slade thought Gen. Patraeus was the greatest modern US General to Ever Live and made him a 5-Star General/Supreme Commander of UN & US forces. You can imagine the huge smile on my face when the news broke about him leaking classified docs to his reporter mistress canning his career.
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zoux posted:If they had "checked on humanity" would they have, what, started infernal DARPA? Imagine military procurement in Hell. Oh my god this would be amazing. Like the Pentagon wars but debating if an interdimensional transport should be able to survive an attack by the doomslayer.
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Raenir Salazar posted:IIRC The Demons are for their credit decently quick to react and adapt to the situation they find themselves in. IIRC they adapt very rapidly through centuries of organizational and tactical evolution to adapt to the humans they're facing. If they had realized it isn't a far stretch to imagine they would have tried various far more damaging means of striking at humanity. Petraeus had some really embarrassing hero worship before that. Call of Duty: Black Ops II depicted him as the Secretary of Defense in 2025.
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zoux posted:I grew up as a non-denominational evangelical Christian, and one of the ideas of this particular flavor of Protestantism is that demons and angels are real, they look like common depictions of them, and they are all around us, unseen, protecting us and tempting us, and they are full on at war. The point is to add a militaristic aspect to one's faith, as though one is actually fighting demons when they make moral choices, so that's the mindset I was in when I was 8-13ish. This dude Frank Peretti wrote these books (Piercing the Darkness and this Present Darkness) where he described such a world, with major angels and demons doing full on battle unseen in our bedrooms as we struggle against jacking off, and it was just the most badass thing I'd ever read. It's given me a lifelong interest in wars against, between or otherwise involving the Host of heaven and hordes of the Pit, as well as a silly interest in things like angel hierarchies and ranks and purposes of demons. t sidebar: do you know a good book that gives the history of how "vague biblical references" turned into elaborate, almost DnD esque typologies of angels and demons? Also thank you ship friends for answering my Whale Prince questions, I think I get it now HEY GUNS posted:become orthodox lol wait, are all these sick typologies orthodox? not fair
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Nebakenezzer posted:wait, are all these sick typologies orthodox? not fair zoux should still become orthodox, and you should as well
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HEY GUNS posted:zoux should still become orthodox, and you should as well That and Saxony-Poland-Lithuania are your answer for all of life's problems.
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HEY GUNS posted:no, the super detailed hair splitting typologies are medieval Catholic, they loved that poo poo Give the Jews more credit, there's plenty of that stuff in the mishneh torah and the Kabbala as well.
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chitoryu12 posted:Petraeus had some really embarrassing hero worship before that. Call of Duty: Black Ops II depicted him as the Secretary of Defense in 2025. It’s 100% because he has a name that sounds like some Roman general that led legions to victory.
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Don Gato posted:That and Saxony-Poland-Lithuania are your answer for all of life's problems.
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zoux posted:I grew up as a non-denominational evangelical Christian, and one of the ideas of this particular flavor of Protestantism is that demons and angels are real, they look like common depictions of them, and they are all around us, unseen, protecting us and tempting us, and they are full on at war. The point is to add a militaristic aspect to one's faith, as though one is actually fighting demons when they make moral choices, so that's the mindset I was in when I was 8-13ish. This dude Frank Peretti wrote these books (Piercing the Darkness and this Present Darkness) where he described such a world, with major angels and demons doing full on battle unseen in our bedrooms as we struggle against jacking off, and it was just the most badass thing I'd ever read. It's given me a lifelong interest in wars against, between or otherwise involving the Host of heaven and hordes of the Pit, as well as a silly interest in things like angel hierarchies and ranks and purposes of demons. William Wallace's son is gonna be an usurper no matter how you look at it.
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HEY GUNS posted:never steered me wrong so far Best Saxon fact: the imperial office associated with their electoral title is Erzmarschall despite the fact that their military record is basically a string of ignominious failures
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blackmongoose posted:Best Saxon fact: the imperial office associated with their electoral title is Erzmarschall despite the fact that their military record is basically a string of ignominious failures edit: but they DO own the Meissen Sword
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zoux posted:Imagine military procurement in Hell. Yes, I read the Canadian procurement posts in Cold War thread.
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JcDent posted:Yes, I read the Canadian procurement posts in Cold War thread. What's so hellish about buying up whatever the US or UK write off?
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Ensign Expendable posted:What's so hellish about buying up whatever the US or UK write off? The part where it catches fire while submerged?
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Lawman 0 posted:What's the year or time period you guys believe that western europe pulled decisively ahead of the rest of the world in military technology and tactics? Samnite wars
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Ensign Expendable posted:What's so hellish about buying up whatever the US or UK write off? Oh my friend, the cold war thread has such sights to show you  Phanatic posted:Give the Jews more credit, there's plenty of that stuff in the mishneh torah and the Kabbala as well. HEY GUNS posted:no, the super detailed hair splitting typologies are medieval Catholic, they loved that poo poo Fair enough Are there good books on this sorta Jewish/medieval catholic shenanigans? Also do the orthodox have knightly orders, I figure that's the main advantage the Catholics have
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Lawman 0 posted:What's the year or time period you guys believe that western europe pulled decisively ahead of the rest of the world in military technology and tactics?
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Ensign Expendable posted:What's so hellish about buying up whatever the US or UK write off? Shovel with a hole in it, a helicopter replacement program that's been going on for decades, billions wasted in cancelled contracts that are then restarted the next time the government changes, the real question is how do they gently caress up so badly?
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FAUXTON posted:Samnite wars That's a spicy take
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wdarkk posted:The part where it catches fire while submerged? Oh my no, that would require spending money on running it.
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Raenir Salazar posted:From what I remember this is trickier than it seems. Because Roman Martial culture seemed to really value the offense and taking the fight to the enemy and a weak center is almost too tempting to pass up; if you pass on it, it might kill your career, label you a coward etc maybe? On the other hand, he later has to deal with this Scipio guy who has the bright idea of "Hey I know how to get rid of Hannibal! Let me sail our guys over to Africa and start poking Carthage with a stick directly!" Of course Rome went for it, but of course that's the time it worked fantastically.
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