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So did anyone else check out LackingSaint's videos on cops in media because that's been a lot of fun (PS, that second Dirty Harry film is trash).
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Althvag63pw Michael Saba gives a history lesson on Japanese pop and its influences on the modern music genre called future funk.
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# ? Sep 18, 2019 07:33 |
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Alaois posted:I'm pretty sure everyone who has made a children's cartoon in the past 30 years is some kind of sex creep I feel like I'm testing my luck saying this, but I haven't heard anything bad about Jhonen Vasquez, and I feel like if he'd done anything untoward it would have come out by now Yet another reason why Invader Zim stands head and shoulders above most cartoons
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# ? Sep 18, 2019 07:38 |
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:Yet another reason why Invader Zim stands head and shoulders above most cartoons Extremely debatable.
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# ? Sep 18, 2019 07:40 |
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:I feel like I'm testing my luck saying this, but I haven't heard anything bad about Jhonen Vasquez, and I feel like if he'd done anything untoward it would have come out by now I feel like he lets the crazy show through enough that he's probably not hiding anything untoward, if that makes sense.
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# ? Sep 18, 2019 07:45 |
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Zim's a smarter cartoon than people tend to give it credit for.
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# ? Sep 18, 2019 08:15 |
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Neo_Crimson posted:Extremely debatable. i mean sure if you're dumb and wrong
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# ? Sep 18, 2019 08:25 |
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Roth posted:MLP really didn't deserve the kind of fanbase it got. A pretty fun show just forever tainted for most people. You say this like there is a show that did deserve the MLP fandom.
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# ? Sep 18, 2019 08:33 |
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squidbillies?
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# ? Sep 18, 2019 08:34 |
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:i mean sure if you're dumb and wrong This forever.
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Roth posted:Zim's a smarter cartoon than people tend to give it credit for. it was also a huge, huge influence on a very large chunk of the western TV animation that came after it, to an extent where I'd very easily put it in the same breath as Simpsons or Dragon Ball in a Zim-free alternate universe, Rebecca Sugar would probably be a CPA or something, Justin Roiland wouldn't have a career, and Avatar: The Last Airbender just straight up wouldn't exist, bare minimum
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RareAcumen posted:You say this like there is a show that did deserve the MLP fandom. I can't even think of any as a joke
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Archer666 posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Althvag63pw
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Roth posted:I can't even think of any as a joke
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# ? Sep 18, 2019 15:01 |
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Mokinokaro posted:Kyle Kallgren (hope I'm spelling that right) pulled his Cinema Antifa videos for his personal health thanks to the fascist hate mob. MonsieurChoc posted:But... it was a really good video. He had a post about making revisions to it because people had come up with micro-arguments that his definition was too broad, which amounts to him basically receiving endless Sealioning and "well, actually, using your definition we can define -insert good thing- as fascism". It was a great video and a valiant effort, but bad-faith arguments are a force to be reckoned with, unfortunately.
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# ? Sep 18, 2019 15:32 |
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Sooo do you have to have seen this show before the age of 15 to get what's so great about it? Like I saw it in my teens and remember it as okay but super annoying but some people treat it like the holy grail of 2000s animation and I super don't get that.LORD OF BOOTY posted:in a Zim-free alternate universe, Rebecca Sugar would probably be a CPA or something, Justin Roiland wouldn't have a career, and Avatar: The Last Airbender just straight up wouldn't exist, bare minimum
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Pants Donkey posted:There’s like 15 no-effort irony-poisoned cartoons on Adult Swim that could qualify. But then they get the attention
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Sarcopenia posted:Like please explain this? the one I remember is that Rebecca Sugar got her start/attention from writing Invader Zim fanfiction
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CYBEReris posted:the one I remember is that Rebecca Sugar got her start/attention from writing Invader Zim fanfiction The only thing I knew about Sugar's past dablings was the Simpsons comic and the Ed, Ed and Eddy yaoi. But she honestly seems way more inspired by anime so I still don't get how that makes Zim the cornerstone of animation today.
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# ? Sep 18, 2019 16:21 |
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Oh No! It's another video on YouTube burnout but this time it's from Patrick (H) Willems and it revolves around his relationship with Kiki's Delivery Service.
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Sarcopenia posted:Aaah I now understand why loathing that Peridot character from SU felt strangely familiar. I think she semi-signaled that she was a /co/ resident one time so I think it's fair to say she got inspiration from a bunch of different places.
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Sarcopenia posted:Like please explain this? Rebecca Sugar got her start in art/writing doing Zim fan poo poo and it's pretty likely she wouldn't be an artist/writer otherwise Justin Roiland hasn't openly acknowledged it the way Sugar has, but it's super obvious in his voice acting style and sense of humor Avatar: TLA literally 100% exists because Zim's art director went "oh poo poo I'm gonna be unemployed" after that show got cancelled and called up a college buddy to make a pitch together
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:Rebecca Sugar got her start in art/writing doing Zim fan poo poo and it's pretty likely she wouldn't be an artist/writer otherwise Roiland’s house of cosby’s didn’t really give off a Zim feel imo
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# ? Sep 18, 2019 17:36 |
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Grassy Knowles posted:Roiland’s house of cosby’s didn’t really give off a Zim feel imo The thing is I'd call his sense of humor more of an iteration on Zim's than a ripoff What they share in common is a juxtaposition of pitch-black comedy and goofy surrealism without any kind of dividing line being drawn between the two; you can see it in Zim with episodes like Bad Bad Rubber Piggy (in which the title character murders a 12-year-old boy by replacing various objects throughout his life with little pink rubber pigs) or Dark Harvest (in which the title character goes around harvesting everyone's organs and swapping them for random crap so he can have the Most Organs and be the Most Human), and you can see it in R&M with episodes like the Unity one or Pickle Rick. House of Cosbys is pretty much along the same lines, it just has the scale tipped pretty significantly in favor of surrealism over darkness. It's not something you see very commonly and I'm pretty sure Jhonen Vasquez is basically patient zero for this style (Zim is, if anything, the toned down version of this compared to JTHM or Squee!). (hell, now that I'm thinking about it, the plot of Dark Harvest almost straight-up sounds like a Roiland joke.) e: I should also probably note, those two episodes and Bloaty's Pizza Hog are probably the best intro point to Zim. The pilot's a good episode once you've gotten a feel for things, and it does a lot of table-setting that the show eventually comes back to, but it's really light on the characters that are actually the most fun, and it's really heavy on the characters that can get grating. Bloaty's Pizza Hog in particular is both probably the most direct antecedent to what R&M does in episodes like the Unity one or Pickle Rick (an oddly serious and well-handled revelation about the characters packed into an incredibly goofy plot), and a really loving funny episode that, instead of relying heavily on characters that can get grating, is almost 100% about the best character. WeedlordGoku69 fucked around with this message at 18:07 on Sep 18, 2019 |
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:Rebecca Sugar got her start in art/writing doing Zim fan poo poo and it's pretty likely she wouldn't be an artist/writer otherwise
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absurdism and black humor didn’t exist before the goth who wrote Johnny the homicidal maniac
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Sarcopenia posted:"I got laid off from this project and therefor had to work on something else" is a weird example but I guess it might not have existed if that dude wasn't going to be jobless at that exact time. I looked into this to try and figure out what Bryan Konietzko would be doing in some hypothetical world where Zim never happened at all, and... it turns out IZ was his second job ever in the animation industry, and his first remotely high-profile one (the only previous work he has on IMDB is character design for a few random Family Guy episodes). Not only would A:TLA not have happened (and certainly not on Nick and certainly not at the time it did), but it's reasonably likely that Konietzko would just be some random journeyman animator, if he stayed in the industry at all. I'm not really guessing anything with Sugar, she's openly acknowledged that Zim was a huge influence on her and a huge factor in her doing creative poo poo at all. Roiland's the only one where I'm filling in any blanks, and they're relatively easy ones (especially since he turned around and did work on Enter the Florpus). Bonaventure posted:absurdism and black humor didn’t exist before the goth who wrote Johnny the homicidal maniac How many things can you think of from before his work that mixed the two in an even remotely similar way? Because I'm pretty stumped myself and I'd be curious to check them out Like you can probably point out R. Crumb and the Mask comics and such as very early antecedents to the same style, but there's a lot of notable differences there; typically one side gets sold out in favor of the other, as opposed to breathlessly juxtaposing the two e: also JTHM is unironically in the top tier of fictional stories about mental illness. I genuinely haven't seen an author nail what intrusive thoughts are like better than Vasquez did with the Doughboys, and there are a couple bits of that comic that nail the internal voice of depression (for lack of a better way of describing it) in a way I didn't see equaled in any fictional media until the Free Churro episode of BoJack. the fact that it manages to do this, and in the same breath be a comic about random murder with a bunch of poo jokes in it, is pretty much the purest essence of what I'm saying he pioneered. WeedlordGoku69 fucked around with this message at 18:54 on Sep 18, 2019 |
# ? Sep 18, 2019 18:29 |
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Jhonen Vasquez and his assorted works kick rear end.
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# ? Sep 18, 2019 18:53 |
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:How many things can you think of from before his work that mixed the two in an even remotely similar way? Because I'm pretty stumped myself and I'd be curious to check them out the absurd as an element of the comic, especially the darkly comic, is so common in the history of culture that i almost doubt you're asking this in good faith. i could try to show off and list a bunch of poo poo but an obvious contemporary example and one that Justin Roiland would probably have been familiar with is half the jokes Douglas Adams made e: or Charles Addams for that matter. Let's just list Addamses. Bonaventure fucked around with this message at 19:20 on Sep 18, 2019 |
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Sometimes it's fun to run into a room and shout "SPORK!" at the top of your lungs
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# ? Sep 18, 2019 19:25 |
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I'll give you Charles but not Douglas. Douglas Adams is actually a shining example of what I was talking about with one side selling out the other- there's very little of the Hitchhiker's series that's both absurd and dark, aside from arguably the destruction of Earth at the start (where the text almost goes out of its way to minimize the enormity of the event and mitigate its darkness). It's just goofy for the first few books, and then the last two (not counting that... thing Colfer wrote) go full-on bleak with very little of the absurdity. Charles Addams, however, absolutely did combine the two in a similar way, and Vasquez owes as much to him as the other people I mentioned owe to Vasquez (they even have vaguely similar art styles, though the latter tends to go more scratchy and abstract). I don't know how I blanked on him. He's also kind of the exception that proves my point, though; a lot of why Addams and his Family reached the iconic status they did is because nobody else was doing that before, and very few did after.
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# ? Sep 18, 2019 19:38 |
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Bonaventure posted:the absurd as an element of the comic, especially the darkly comic, is so common in the history of culture that i almost doubt you're asking this in good faith. "is this argument in good faith or are you actually this loving stupid" is a question i have to ask a lot when reading a LORD OF BOOTY post
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# ? Sep 18, 2019 19:40 |
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Douglas doesn't count he only wrote a few jokes where the living meal begs to be killed and eaten Les Chants de Maldoror, The Master and Margarita, Dead Souls and other Gogol, Titus Andronicus, Volpone, The Jew of Malta, The Second Maiden's Tragedy, Henry Fielding's Shamela, The Golden rear end of Apuleius, the Zucker brothers, the Clue film, Monty Python, Edward Gorey--George Carlin didn't make that "imagine Daffy Duck raping Porky Pig" joke until after he saw Invader Zim? have you never heard a limerick? Bonaventure fucked around with this message at 19:46 on Sep 18, 2019 |
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Invader Zim was widely accessible and readily talked about, it's not a stretch at all to imagine it was a whole lot of young people's formative introduction to the kind of things it did comedically.
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# ? Sep 18, 2019 19:47 |
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Alaois posted:"is this argument in good faith or are you actually this loving stupid" is a question i have to ask a lot when reading a LORD OF BOOTY post I am very, very rarely insincere, though I'll cop to being an idiot e: also, I'm not familiar with about half of the poo poo that got rattled off there and I haven't gotten around to a chunk of what I am familiar with, but... Titus Andronicus being considered comedic is news to me, the only Python I'd identify as in a related vein is Life of Brian and even then only mildly (the ending is 100% along these lines but not the rest of it), and that Carlin joke is "dark" in an entirely different direction that I don't typically see lumped in with this type of humor. Most of the limericks I'm familiar with are just dick jokes. The meat jokes are another example of what I'm talking about with Adams, where he goes out of his way to minimize the horror of situations that could absolutely be played for it. It's actually one of the things I like about Adams, I should note- the contrast between the events themselves and the narration and characters' stiff-upper-lip reactions is absolutely hilarious to me. e2: I just noticed the Zucker Bros in there, what the gently caress Since when did they make anything remotely loving dark, unless you count the poorly-aged OJ jokes in The Naked Gun or the existence of An American Carol WeedlordGoku69 fucked around with this message at 20:42 on Sep 18, 2019 |
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https://youtu.be/LNHbm7GBHwg New down the rabbit hole. This time about wingsofredemption.
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# ? Sep 18, 2019 20:03 |
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there was a young man of Calcutta whose balls were turning to butter. in a day of great heat the folks had a treat as his testicles flowed down the gutter.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:https://youtu.be/LNHbm7GBHwg New down the rabbit hole. This time about wingsofredemption. These are always vaguely horrifying, but I cannot turn away.
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# ? Sep 18, 2019 20:53 |
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I don't know why but I find Wings endlessly fascinating.
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LOOK, collaborate and LISTEN E: drat, two hours
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