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So, what was up with the King George V class having a 2 gun turret and a 4 gun turret? 
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BalloonFish posted:I know the economy was on the rocks and parts of the population were literally freezing to death at the time so it was entirely understandable, but I do think it's a shame that not a single RN battleship survived the post-war cull.  It's a shame how Marshall Plan failed to cover refits of 100+ year old warships. Also, I think it's a real treat that the French and English wiki articles for that ship use different names. https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duguay-Trouin_(1800) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Implacable_(1805) SimonCat posted:So, what was up with the King George V class having a 2 gun turret and a 4 gun turret? Another 4-gun turret would have necessitated more tonnage than was acceptable, so they downsized. That's about it. Slim Jim Pickens fucked around with this message at 22:25 on Sep 26, 2019 |
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Sep 26, 2019 22:23
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 Universal Carriers are also great icecream makers apparently.
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Sep 26, 2019 23:27
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Slim Jim Pickens posted:
Why not just 2 3 gun turrets?
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Sep 26, 2019 23:30
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The HMAS Ovens, an Oberon-class RAN sub is suspended next to the Fremantle Maritime Museum and runs tours. It's pretty cool to see the imprints of 20 cent pieces that were inserted between the hatch to the loading bay and the hull, and pressed into place while it was diving. It's also cool to see that as a person who is 6'1", I'm about five inches too tall to serve on one of those without constantly concussing myself.
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Sep 26, 2019 23:35
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SimonCat posted:Why not just 2 3 gun turrets? A 3-gun B turret would put more weight higher in the ship, raising the metacentric height. Of course now, if someone knocks out A turret, you’re down to just two guns up front instead of three. Trade offs.
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Sep 26, 2019 23:37
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LingcodKilla posted:In the Bay Area CA you have a submarine, liberty ship and an Essex class carrier. Hornet is extremely cool, I was on her last year. My personal favorite of all the museum ships I've been on is the Massachusetts. A ton of the ship was opened up when I was on her... god, 12 years ago now when I was 14, and I remember having a ton of fun exploring spaces I'm still surprised weren't roped off (Such as the turret magazines). Least favorite is probably Intrepid, really just due to how much work they've done to turn her into a museum as opposed to maintaining the ship. But it's somewhat understandable given how many people visit her each year. Also a big fan of New Jersey, just due to the fact that she's moored less than ten minutes away from where my grandparents live, so I visited her a bunch growing up.
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Sep 26, 2019 23:54
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MrYenko posted:A 3-gun B turret would put more weight higher in the ship, raising the metacentric height. The bigger thing was that the KGV-class was designed under the Washington Naval Treaty, so weight was a huge consideration in the ship's design. Originally they were planning on going with 3 quad turrets, but they reduced the size of the second turret to reduce the overall weight. Of course as it turned out the quad turret ended up being a big boondoggle, as it was overly complex and significantly reduced the amount of space available to work on each gun. The Wiki article goes into it pretty well.
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Sep 27, 2019 00:07
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zoux posted:Funny and quick story from Forgotten Weapons This is loving hilarious and i wish i could have seen the initial reaction of the two grunts that did it plus their sgts reaction.
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Sep 27, 2019 00:10
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:Boston (Quincy) this mortally wounds me
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zoux posted:Funny and quick story from Forgotten Weapons
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Sep 27, 2019 00:39
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TK-42-1 posted:This is loving hilarious and i wish i could have seen the initial reaction of the two grunts that did it plus their sgts reaction. This youtube comment captures it nicely: "Legend says the two idiots are still doing pushups."
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Sep 27, 2019 00:44
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Acebuckeye13 posted:Hornet is extremely cool, I was on her last year. Personal favorite is the USS Missouri, she's kept in a hybrid of her 1944 and 1984 configurations, and belowdecks she has a depressing exhibit right now consisting of letters kamikazes wrote back home before their final mission. You can also see the Arizona Memorial and the Utah Memorial while you're out there, and the USS Bowfin (I think). Also I live like 15 minutes away so I'm there a lot. Just be respectful when you see a bunch of people in uniform, the aft deck is still used for retirement ceremonies and change of command ceremonies and it drives me nuts when obnoxious tourists keep trying to interrupt.
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Sep 27, 2019 00:57
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Don Gato posted:Personal favorite is the USS Missouri, she's kept in a hybrid of her 1944 and 1984 configurations, and belowdecks she has a depressing exhibit right now consisting of letters kamikazes wrote back home before their final mission. You can also see the Arizona Memorial and the Utah Memorial while you're out there, and the USS Bowfin (I think). Man I'd love to get to Missouri, just need to get out to Hawaii first 
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Sep 27, 2019 01:40
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Don Gato posted:Personal favorite is the USS Missouri, she's kept in a hybrid of her 1944 and 1984 configurations, and belowdecks she has a depressing exhibit right now consisting of letters kamikazes wrote back home before their final mission. You can also see the Arizona Memorial and the Utah Memorial while you're out there, and the USS Bowfin (I think). It’s still all right to throw things at chiefs doing initiation.
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Sep 27, 2019 01:59
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LingcodKilla posted:It’s still all right to throw things at chiefs doing initiation. Chiefs aren't people, I actively encourage things like that.
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Sep 27, 2019 02:12
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FuturePastNow posted:I didn't know about the paddlewheel aircraft carriers until a couple years ago but they are cool as hell. They had no hangar deck to keep planes aboard, so every morning they'd chug out onto Lake Michigan for pilots to learn carrier landing. They qualified 35,000 pilots during the war. They lost about 90 planes doing that too, no fatalaties though. Buddy of mine works for an underwater salvage company that brings them up every so often, thimk there's like 48 left. If you ever go through midway airport they have a plane hanging in the middle of the terminal, he brought it up from the lakebed.
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Sep 27, 2019 02:41
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Benagain posted:They lost about 90 planes doing that too, no fatalaties though. Buddy of mine works for an underwater salvage company that brings them up every so often, thimk there's like 48 left. If you ever go through midway airport they have a plane hanging in the middle of the terminal, he brought it up from the lakebed. Nice thing too is that it's cold, fresh water, so the planes they've brought up are all pretty drat well preserved. This aircraft was recovered in 2009, for instance, and the damage from the crash is clearly more significant than the effects of sitting on the lakebed for over 60 years: 
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Sep 27, 2019 02:54
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Yeah the bottom of Lake Michigan is a rich source of displays for air museums around the country, every couple years they pull up another one.
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Sep 27, 2019 03:26
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SimonCat posted:Why not just 2 3 gun turrets? They would have to design a triple mount turret for that. Not the most difficult thing in the world, but the British had a bad experience with the triple mount 16' guns on the Nelson Class. Not that the quad turrets were reliable, but the design had called for quad mounts so that was what was already lined up. Twin mount turrets are nice and simple, and the British had plenty of experience with them. Previous RN turrets on their WWI ships were all twin mounts, so Vickers presumably chose the easy way out. No word on how reliable the twin mount 14' turret on the KGVs were, but no news might be good news on this subject. Slim Jim Pickens fucked around with this message at 05:52 on Sep 27, 2019 |
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Sep 27, 2019 05:48
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Anytime I see something weird like that on a battleship I assume it was probably due to some Washington Naval Treaty loophole. https://twitter.com/madpadre1/status/1177404522806808576
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:villar-perosa as an assault gun from an (ineffective) AAMG is pretty good example "Wiki posted:It was also used during World War I by the Italian infantry, with a bipod and a gun shield. Despite its high rate of fire, its atypical design and its weight, it proved to be very effective at short range.[1] Methings that "high rate of fire" is a feature, not a bug at short range.
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Sep 27, 2019 07:44
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SimonCat posted:Why not just 2 3 gun turrets?
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Sep 27, 2019 08:29
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Slim Jim Pickens posted:Not the most difficult thing in the world, but the British had a bad experience with the triple mount 16' guns on the Nelson Class. Kind of curious what 16 foot guns would look like, not gonna lie 
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feedmegin posted:Kind of curious what 16 foot guns would look like, not gonna lie  but, hopefully, not firing children.
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honda whisperer posted:So from machine gun and mortar chat there seems to be a big disconnect between what weapon a was designed for vs what it was good for. The AK was designed as a submachine gun to complement the SKS rifle. Then someone realized the AK could also fill the SKS' role as the standard service rifle and now there's 100 million of them worldwide. The British L86 LSW was considered a terrible machine gun, but found success as a semi-auto scoped rifle and was eventually issued for the section marksman role. The NASAMS made a very capable surface-to-air missile system out of an air-to-air missile.
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feedmegin posted:Kind of curious what 16 foot guns would look like, not gonna lie A volcanic eruption
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Arquinsiel posted:The lead time on ammunition would make them unworkable, and it goes off pretty fast. At least it can be produced by cottage industry.
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LatwPIAT posted:The AK was designed as a submachine gun to complement the SKS rifle. Then someone realized the AK could also fill the SKS' role as the standard service rifle and now there's 100 million of them worldwide. Still fucks with my mind. Also, on that subject, de Havilland Mosquito: Wiki posted:Originally conceived as an unarmed fast bomber, the Mosquito's use evolved during the war into many roles, including low- to medium-altitude daytime tactical bomber, high-altitude night bomber, pathfinder, day or night fighter, fighter-bomber, intruder, maritime strike, and photo-reconnaissance aircraft. It was also used by the British Overseas Airways Corporation (BOAC) as a fast transport to carry small, high-value cargoes to and from neutral countries through enemy-controlled airspace. Unarmed fast bomber was originally a German idea. Then the Brits build a better one that was much better at that role than anything German ever was. Out of wood. And pressed it into nearly every other possible role
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Sep 27, 2019 11:04
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JcDent posted:And pressed it into nearly every other possible role  Mark XVIII “Tsetse”
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feedmegin posted:Kind of curious what 16 foot guns would look like, not gonna lie the ottoman army is interested in your proposal and wants to see a proof of concept
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Sep 27, 2019 11:41
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The “nuclear manhole cover” was only four feet in diameter.
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This weekend on Steam, the Total War franchise is on sale.
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Sep 27, 2019 11:49
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JcDent posted:Unarmed fast bomber was originally a German idea.
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Platystemon posted:The “nuclear manhole cover” was only four feet in diameter. Does it have any fanart?
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FrangibleCover posted:I challenge the idea of the fast medium bomber as a uniquely German conception. The Britain First (you can tell it was named by the Daily Mail, can't you) was built to be the fastest aircraft around and was adopted as a schnellbomber in 1936 under the name Blenheim. At the time it could outrun all RAF fighters and was essentially of the same concept as the Ju-88, even looking quite similar. By 1940, however, it couldn't outrun much. I mean the idea of fast bombers goes back to the SB-2 long before that, it's just the SB-2 was designed to outrun fighters a generation back from the Blenheim or Ju-88.
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Nerd friends, why is that red cross there (it's a Bf 109) Speaking of which, what does Bf stand for?
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JcDent posted:Speaking of which, what does Bf stand for? Bayerische Flugzeugwerke
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JcDent posted:Nerd friends, why is that red cross there (it's a Bf 109) There's a medkit behind that panel.
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