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vincentpricesboner posted:Theres gotta be a way. You could still make it part of a federal platform to demand it from each province otherwise you would stop any new funding to the province. You can't do that. One possibility I've heard is to require that all companies doing business with the government (which is pretty much all big corporations in the country) be required to meet certain standards (this already happens with, for example, not being allowed to do business with the government for 10 years if caught bribing Libyans to build torture prisons in the desert). I've heard the government could theoretically require that all companies doing business with them pay all workers a minimum of $20/hr, effectively imposing a $20/hr minimum wage for all employees of those businesses even outside industries subject to the federal minimum wage. This should then have a knock-on effect in the rest of the labour market to raise wages across the board. I've never seen, like, an expert opinion on whether this is possible though so I don't know if it's a real option. What would be even better than something roundabout like that would be nationalizing the commanding heights of the economy and having the state pay people good wages to do important jobs that they're already doing for peanuts because all the profit is being hoarded by vulture capitalists, and also robust workplace democracy laws making it very easy for workers to purchase or otherwise take over and operate their own workplaces as co-ops, eliminating or mitigating the predatory nature of the capitalist workplace in enterprises that did this (with support from the state, naturally). Those are far more radical steps than having a minimum wage though, and that's why I could never be Prime Minister.
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vyelkin posted:You can't do that. So let me understand this. If Alberta wanted to go full hellscape tommorow, they could update their minimum wage to be 1.00 an hour? How is there no way to have federal minimums. Its worth loving with the constitution to change it.
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vincentpricesboner posted:So let me understand this. If Alberta wanted to go full hellscape tommorow, they could update their minimum wage to be 1.00 an hour? How is there no way to have federal minimums. Its worth loving with the constitution to change it. No province would agree to change the constitution to restrict their own power to regulate the provincial labour market, even if it was for the righteous cause of messing with Alberta.
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vincentpricesboner posted:Its worth loving with the constitution 
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Gatts posted:Why is Jagmeet being a deputy Prime Minister not cool? That didn't happen, the Liberals said no coalition or formal agreements so I don't know where you are getting this from
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vyelkin posted:You can't do that. You could offer incentives to provinces that raise minimum wage I'm pretty sure? Creating more Crown Corporations and requiring corporations to have employee ownership and board member is better policy though
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Using a cute workaround to try to indirectly legislate in an area of provincial jurisdiction is probably one of those ideas that sounds better on paper than it would (also on paper I guess) to the SCC. That's the kind of poo poo that flies in the US but doesn't really in Canada.
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Pinterest Mom posted:Using a cute workaround to try to indirectly legislate in an area of provincial jurisdiction is probably one of those ideas that sounds better on paper than it would (also on paper I guess) to the SCC. That's the kind of poo poo that flies in the US but doesn't really in Canada. You could have a bi-lateral agreement that says in exchange for $X in funding a province will raise minimum wage. That's how the Liberals did healthcare funding in the last four years with no issues.
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Minimum wage is absolutely important enough to do whatever necessary to increase pressure and raise it immediately.
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Pinterest Mom posted:Using a cute workaround to try to indirectly legislate in an area of provincial jurisdiction is probably one of those ideas that sounds better on paper than it would (also on paper I guess) to the SCC. That's the kind of poo poo that flies in the US but doesn't really in Canada. What else is the spending power if not a cute workaround for indirectly legislating how the provinces handle their responsibilities?
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So I guess Kenney dropped the Alberta budget today and twitter has been a tidal wave of Face-Eating Leopard Party voters starting to sweat and point nervously at all the leopards that have suddenly appeared and are staring intently at their faces.
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nine-gear crow posted:So I guess Kenney dropped the Alberta budget today and twitter has been a tidal wave of Face-Eating Leopard Party voters starting to sweat and point nervously at all the leopards that have suddenly appeared and are staring intently at their faces. This is just the Alberta Experience. We've been on this ride for longer than I've been alive and even back in the Klein days when I was like, 11 years old it seemed dumb to me to blow up hospitals. The average Albertan is dumber than an 11 year old.
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nine-gear crow posted:So I guess Kenney dropped the Alberta budget today and twitter has been a tidal wave of Face-Eating Leopard Party voters starting to sweat and point nervously at all the leopards that have suddenly appeared and are staring intently at their faces. Can't afford to index income tax exemptions to inflation but we sure can spend $35 million on a war room to fight the meanies who say bad things about Oil and Gas!
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nine-gear crow posted:So I guess Kenney dropped the Alberta budget today and twitter has been a tidal wave of Face-Eating Leopard Party voters starting to sweat and point nervously at all the leopards that have suddenly appeared and are staring intently at their faces. Guess it was smart of them to drop this after the federal election so they wouldn't Ford themselves
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nine-gear crow posted:So I guess Kenney dropped the Alberta budget today and twitter has been a tidal wave of Face-Eating Leopard Party voters starting to sweat and point nervously at all the leopards that have suddenly appeared and are staring intently at their faces. I'm in the orange spot on the prairie again so I'm going to enjoy slightly more influence federally than the rest of the province if we play this right. Let's build that leopard cage already. :p
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MakaVillian posted:Can't afford to index income tax exemptions to inflation but we sure can spend $35 million on a war room to fight the meanies who say bad things about Oil and Gas! edit - I had someone from Alberta very seriously explain to me today that getting to oil to a port isn’t an issue because when Alberta separates they get all the Canadian military units in Alberta (apparently that’s how these things work) and then they’ll use their new military to forceB.C. to let them build a pipe line to the Pacific. Mr. Apollo fucked around with this message at 01:02 on Oct 25, 2019 |
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It's great that Albertans are going after Newfoundland and Labrador for voting in mostly Liberals but not a peep about Toronto who voted for nothing but Liberals because deep down they know they have to pick their battles
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Antioch posted:This is just the Alberta Experience. We've been on this ride for longer than I've been alive and even back in the Klein days when I was like, 11 years old it seemed dumb to me to blow up hospitals. Okay so the face-eating leopard proved to be a mistake but the face-eating tiger seems like a sure bet next time.
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DariusLikewise posted:That didn't happen, the Liberals said no coalition or formal agreements so I don't know where you are getting this from My bad then.
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If only there was a large tax cut close by that we could study and see the economic impacts of and if it actually did increase jobs. Oh that's right the veneer of it being for the economy is thinning against actual data that shows it's just tax breaks. Oh and a hilarious side note that i haven't seen yet is now all pension plans are managed with an Alberta first mandate so when the recession hits because of this bullshit the public sector workers are double hosed because the minute they go unfunded is the minute Kenney cuts them loose like he did his concept of social contract.
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nine-gear crow posted:So I guess Kenney dropped the Alberta budget today and twitter has been a tidal wave of Face-Eating Leopard Party voters starting to sweat and point nervously at all the leopards that have suddenly appeared and are staring intently at their faces. No, but you see, it had to be done. The NDP had left Alberta's finances in complete disarray. If it had been the PCs instead, everyone would be getting 100$ cheques by now.
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Mr. Apollo posted:edit - I had someone from Alberta very seriously explain to me today that getting to oil to a port isn’t an issue because when Alberta separates they get all the Canadian military units in Alberta (apparently that’s how these things work) and then they’ll use their new military to forceB.C. to let them build a pipe line to the Pacific. Hmm I have also had someone from Alberta explain this exact detailed thing to me very seriously. Also something about forcing a blockade of trade goods from the Pacific to the rest of Canada (the fact that goods to Alberta could also be blockaded was not acknowledged)
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Fojar38 posted:It's great that Albertans are going after Newfoundland and Labrador for voting in mostly Liberals but not a peep about Toronto who voted for nothing but Liberals because deep down they know they have to pick their battles If Bay Street stops pumping capital into the tar sands and loses interest in the National Post''s spittle-flecked rants about how national unity demands subservience to Alberta then the province is really hosed.
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Mr. Apollo posted:They’re also going ahead with “major” corporate tax breaks because it’s the only way to get Alberta back to work. cool not just separatism but separatism and then literally declaring war on the rest of Canada, A+ job Alberta
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the stupoder wexit gets the more i think it might work out. making Canada straight up conquer Alberta opens the door to just leaving it as a territory with two federal seats - a marked improvement.
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vyelkin posted:cool not just separatism but separatism and then literally declaring war on the rest of Canada, A+ job Alberta Plus, under that scenario, if BC remains in Canada, they keep the Royal Canadian Navy, and I bet the RCN Pacific Fleet would be more than happy to blockade whatever ports Alberta annexes in this batshit fantasy pipedream to make sure not a single drop of their oil leaves the continent on a tanker. This is amazingly dumb holy poo poo.
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nine-gear crow posted:Plus, under that scenario, if BC remains in Canada, they keep the Royal Canadian Navy, and I bet the RCN Pacific Fleet would be more than happy to blockade whatever ports Alberta annexes in this batshit fantasy pipedream to make sure not a single drop of their oil leaves the continent on a tanker. Why stop there when Canada can also invoke article 5 of NATO so they all pile in to curbstomp Alberta?
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Mr. Apollo posted:edit - I had someone from Alberta very seriously explain to me today that getting to oil to a port isn’t an issue because when Alberta separates they get all the Canadian military units in Alberta (apparently that’s how these things work) and then they’ll use their new military to forceB.C. to let them build a pipe line to the Pacific. I welcome the inevitable war with the Albertan nation. They’ve got a lot of expensive machinery up north that would make perfect targets for bombing missions.
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So their plan is for Canada to allow them to take a bunch of federal assets with them so that they can use them to attack canada? Do they also get to take the oil subsidies with them?
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Dr. Stab posted:So their plan is for Canada to allow them to take a bunch of federal assets with them so that they can use them to attack canada? Do they also get to take the oil subsidies with them? Also failing to consider the large swathes of the province that belong to various indigenous communities... 10 seconds of critical thought poking a hundred holes in their plan. This might be the dumbest political thing Ive seen in the last 20 years.
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I'm 99% certain that the narrative here is that when Alberta seperates are troops will all side with the Albertan Freedom Fighters against the tyrannical regime in Ottawa because they are all True Patriots It's cargo cult American conservatism all the way down
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Like even if this whole thing is just a stunt to get the rest of us to pay attention to Alberta and hear them out, its not working at all like they might think.
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Starks posted:But I also think that part of the reason is the demographics of Toronto have changed. I’m in one of those ridings that used to be orange and was expected to flip back, and over the past 9 years its been flooded with young suburbanites moving to the city and pushing out lower income residents. Rent for a one bedroom has doubled in my building since 2011. Tiny townhouses with crawl space basements are selling for 1.2 million. The ndp is rapidly losing their base in Toronto. I suspect this is why liberals will never do anything about housing prices. I thought sort of "millennial yuppie" trend would start to impact the NDP ridings around East Vancouver but it hasn't. Due to various municipal policies forcing development into a limited handful of neighbourhoods, Mount Pleasant in Jenny Kwan's Vancouver East Riding has seen tons of new expensive condo developments and there's been significant demographic changes. Nonetheless she roasted the competition. Ditto Don Davies a neighbourhood over, even though the trend of wealthy West Side homeowner Vancouverites selling their expensive west side homes, shifting East and pocketing the change is so prevalent people talk about the "Dunbar Diaspora". I don't know what to say other than maybe incumbency is incredibly tough to shake in an election that's not an obvious "Change" election like 2015 was.
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Most people have no sense of scale or geography either and are totally innumerate and don't understand how economics work. Albertans genuinely think their province is an economic juggernaut that's been bled dry by NEP's and TAXES and if they were free from the parasite country they've been carrying for decades they'd just galt's gultch it with their incredibly oil wealth. BC's just a bunch of condo flippers and soy boys, a few old stock canadians with guns and pickup trucks could bend the province to their will and besides they'd be welcomed as liberators by everyone but the Vancouver Elite.
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leftist heap posted:Can't wait to see how the Albertan navy fares The prairie navy wouldnt even be able to catch The Last Saskatchewan Pirate.
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Arcsquad12 posted:The prairie navy wouldnt even be able to catch The Last Saskatchewan Pirate. And it’s a heave ho hi ho coming down the plains
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lmao when it looked like there was even a slight chance Quebec was going to separate in the referendum the military started quietly shipping any important equipment the gently caress out of Quebec. Why the gently caress would they just leave it all in Alberta if they separated? Fojar38 posted:I'm 99% certain that the narrative here is that when Alberta seperates are troops will all side with the Albertan Freedom Fighters against the tyrannical regime in Ottawa because they are all True Patriots Seriously. The few people I know currently/previously in the Forces might trend conservative but there is zero loving way they would side with some dipshits trying to break up the country. More the exact opposite. Mr Luxury Yacht fucked around with this message at 03:44 on Oct 25, 2019 |
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