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So I decide "I never get to play PW decks because I'm not blowing WCs on duplicates, also I'm sick of my decks being neutralized by Oko decks" so I decide to put together Niv-Mizzet PWs for Brawl. 2 Games: Torban (which I stabilize by the skin of my teeth) and Vraska, Swarm's Eminence (the deathtouch one). I felt like such a dick throwing PWs at deathtouch tribal that I switched to Yarok (which sounds bad but has not been working well)...and promptly ran into Oko. Which I then beat because they got greedy trying to use their ult multiple times to steal my Vannifar/Yarok so I overran them with Yarok/FotD/End-Raze Forerunners.
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Yarok is super soft to Oko so don't feel bad for running it, imo. And feel good for beating Oko with it.thespaceinvader posted:The thing that really bugs me with walkers generally, but other Legendaries as well, is that you can have multiple of them in a deck. It seems silly to have a card type specifically designed to be 'this is a unique individual' and allow you to have four of them in your deck, let alone the loving fifteen you can get of Chandra specifically. I don't like the legendary supertype either and I don't think they execute it well. Walkers, eh, they're more like mercenaries. You don't summon or kill them, hence "loyalty". I'm not fond of how pushed the card type has gotten or the fact it used to be really risky running multiples of the same named walker before they changed it, since you could only have 1 Chandra on the battlefield. But that was a "drawback".
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Oct 28, 2019 10:58
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thespaceinvader posted:The thing that really bugs me with walkers generally, but other Legendaries as well, is that you can have multiple of them in a deck. It seems silly to have a card type specifically designed to be 'this is a unique individual' and allow you to have four of them in your deck, let alone the loving fifteen you can get of Chandra specifically. The first time the legendary rule was introduced this is exactly how it worked. The problem is that basically all variants of the legendary rule until now create weird and unsatisfying situations, like people playing Lorwyn Jace alongside JTMS so you could easily kill your opponents Jace, or Masques block where whoever played their Lin-Sivvi first won because your opponent couldn't play theirs. War draft is fine, the main issue with the bots is that you want to be some combination of the Grixis colours as the bots underdraft them. White is really bad. It's a pretty balanced format for Arena draft though.
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Spiderdrake posted:I'm not fond of how pushed the card type has gotten or the fact it used to be really risky running multiples of the same named walker before they changed it, since you could only have 1 Chandra on the battlefield. But that was a "drawback". I was really suprised the first time some fucker plopped 3 chandras on the battlefield. When did they change that rule anyway?
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Truga posted:I was really suprised the first time some fucker plopped 3 chandras on the battlefield. When did they change that rule anyway? Ixalan
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Oct 28, 2019 11:04
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The legendary rules rule because Kethis
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They changed the rules because your cards should just always work and do what they say they’re gonna do. The old legendary rule was confusing and dumb and even further favored Play vs Draw. PS: for any White mana mates who lament the fact that White sucks hot clam chowder in every format, it’s actually sweet in Brawl. I built Oketra Hatebears and Feather and honestly T2 Hushbringer just fucks with so many decks. It feels incredibly powerful. Alela is also an also deck, and the best cards in it are all White.
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Oct 28, 2019 12:58
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Arena would be dead if it launched with this standard.
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Oct 28, 2019 13:27
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LoL they banned Rampaging Ferocidon for being too good at 3 mana, lololololol
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Oct 28, 2019 13:30
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Panzeh posted:Arena would be dead if it launched with this standard. Technically Arena launched with this standard
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MikeCrotch posted:The first time the legendary rule was introduced this is exactly how it worked. The problem is that basically all variants of the legendary rule until now create weird and unsatisfying situations, like people playing Lorwyn Jace alongside JTMS so you could easily kill your opponents Jace, or Masques block where whoever played their Lin-Sivvi first won because your opponent couldn't play theirs. I wish I'd read this before I drafted a decent-enough red/white deck to get me to 3 wins then lose to a guy who drew at least 5 planeswalkers from 3 packs.
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I guess nobody told you that white is mostly unplayable in WAR. if you want a good primer on War of the Spark draft, listen to Lords of Limited podcast episode 104: 50 WAR takes in 50 minutes. the hosts go over what they've learned in 3 months of drafting and distill it down into less than an hour. whenever there's an older format available I listen to the corresponding 50 takes episode as a refresher, they're really good.
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Panzeh posted:Arena would be dead if it launched with this standard. Yeah the meta is horrifying and the lack of deck variety is really hurting the game at every level of play. Currently I'm only playing to complete quests because I bought the Master Pass - I don't want to play an Oko deck, they bore the gently caress out of me. I guess I could learn how to Draft and leave Traditional Standard until someone builds a deck that can beat Simic Food.
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Playin wolfs still
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UG is the prettiest and best colour pair, why wouldn't you play UG
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Lone Goat posted:I guess nobody told you that white is mostly unplayable in WAR. Not quickly enough, no. I found a couple of fun tricks but I was mostly leaning on red amass and Gideon's Sacrifice, which is genuinely funny.
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Lone Goat posted:I guess nobody told you that white is mostly unplayable in WAR. war is self correcting in real drafts but on arena you should never draft white under any circumstances, and you should only draft green if you open a bomb rare. decent r/b/u commons are a better p1p1 than the white god-eternal
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Oct 28, 2019 14:43
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i feel like the four people who were golden state warriors fans before they got really good i've always liked ug, even when it sucked  also i very much regret slam dunking all my wild cards day one of eldraine standard to build a real good oko deck. first time i'm mad about having crafted the bets deck in the format, cause now i want to play ANYTHING else. most fun i've had in oko standard was building mono colored decks to finish my dailies.
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Oct 28, 2019 14:48
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I guess I could build Simic Flash and annoy the gently caress out of people on ladder, but the enthusiasm is just not there. Also what if I'm against a deck that can play more than one card each turn, what then.
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Oct 28, 2019 15:05
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https://twitter.com/pmby89/status/1188816369221095424?s=21 The problem isn’t just that the format is stale the problem is also that the only way to be competitive is to go out and buy a playset of a card which means that even though standard Manabases are the cheapest they’ve been in like literally five years youre still pricing out tons of players and potential grinders on a single playset of one mythic pushing them into $200 before they even get to the rest of the deck
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Oct 28, 2019 15:08
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lmao what modern decks is this person getting for under $800 let alone two of them? unless their idea is just two copies of burn but even that will run you five hundy each.
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Kawabata posted:I guess I could build Simic Flash and annoy the gently caress out of people on ladder, but the enthusiasm is just not there. Also what if I'm against a deck that can play more than one card each turn, what then. You know you could just get a blog rather than posting your inner thoughts here, right?
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Bust Rodd posted:https://twitter.com/pmby89/status/1188816369221095424?s=21 Plus, they are going to ban that 240 dollar playset of Okos soon
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Kawabata posted:I guess I could build Simic Flash and annoy the gently caress out of people on ladder, but the enthusiasm is just not there. Also what if I'm against a deck that can play more than one card each turn, what then. It's fun if you want to dunk on people who play Oko decks, since with things like Mystical Dispute you just counter all their dumb stuff. It's less fun if you want to be automatically "opponent going first"-ed every time your opponent is playing Mono Red. (That's probably not what actually happens, but it sure feels that way.)
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Oct 28, 2019 15:42
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I thought oko elking a nissa land made it lose hast?
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Arivia posted:UG is the prettiest and best colour pair, why wouldn't you play UG ***UGuuuuuuuuuu*** ^_^
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th3t00t posted:I thought oko elking a nissa land made it lose hast? It does. But that doesn't stop it attacking if you've controlled it continuously since the beginning of your turn.
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Here are the decks that made it past day 2 of the MCQ: https://aetherhub.com/Article/Top-16-decklists-from-the-Mythic-Championship-Qualifier-VII Oko actually (narrowly) overperformed vs his 63% representation in day 2. Of the 5 non-Oko decks there's rakdos catfood, azorious control (!), two GB adventures, and a temur rec. if youre lookin for something thats not oko and might be 50% vs oko you can start there. No Wave fucked around with this message at 16:53 on Oct 28, 2019 |
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Someone was looking for a newer version of Esper Dance, Sjow has one up on Streamdecker here: https://www.streamdecker.com/deck/xezDiCYvS From the version I had it subs all the Field hate for Oko hate. Seems about right. 1 Castle Ardenvale (ELD) 238 3 Dance of the Manse (ELD) 186 4 Doom Foretold (ELD) 187 4 Fabled Passage (ELD) 244 4 Foulmire Knight (ELD) 90 4 Godless Shrine (RNA) 248 4 Golden Egg (ELD) 220 4 Guild Globe (WAR) 239 4 Hallowed Fountain (RNA) 251 1 Island (ELD) 257 4 Kaya's Wrath (RNA) 187 3 Murderous Rider (ELD) 97 4 Oath of Kaya (WAR) 209 3 Plains (ELD) 252 3 Swamp (ELD) 260 4 Teferi, Time Raveler (WAR) 221 1 Temple of Silence (M20) 256 4 Watery Grave (GRN) 259 1 Wishclaw Talisman (ELD) 110 3 Despark (WAR) 190 1 Ethereal Absolution (RNA) 170 2 Kaya, Orzhov Usurper (RNA) 186 1 Liliana, Dreadhorde General (WAR) 97 4 Narset, Parter of Veils (WAR) 61 4 Noxious Grasp (M20) 110 edit: don't queue this into some korvold sacrifice synergy deck... beedub fucked around with this message at 17:12 on Oct 28, 2019 |
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He didn't do too well with that deck vs Oko from what I saw.
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Isn't it kind of a given that nothing is good against Oko at this point? Except even more Oko and some black cards? Next up to try is that Temur Rec deck from MCQ top 16!
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the best deck against oko is an oko deck with some black so it can kill their oko
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I really love that I can’t even run jank in the play queue. Just gettin curb stomped by tuned up bullshit.
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beedub posted:Isn't it kind of a given that nothing is good against Oko at this point? Except even more Oko and some black cards? I managed the OTK combo against Oko a couple times, which was fun, but the deck's really soft to aggro, so I dunno about laddering with it.
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sephiRoth IRA posted:I really love that I can’t even run jank in the play queue. Just gettin curb stomped by tuned up bullshit. Brawl is good for running jank, but you will tend to just get stomped in different ways.
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Yeah I just play/post fun stuff now, a few months back I was really tryharding on ladder but now I just play interesting tier 2 stuff and seem to have a lot more fun? Temur rec is good but in the ranked dumpster too many people fold when you get reclamation down, and you don't get to properly go off.
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I wish they did that standard shakeup event with a lot of the most popular meta cards banned more often.
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Good lord. I'm watching Nizzahon play limited and he's typically someone who tries to avoid playing the most degenerate strategies and he saw *7* Secretkeepers and had no choice but to play mill. They really didn't change anything up for the draft bots did they?
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Hey I took a couple weeks off did anyone build a deck that stomps Oko decks?
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People keep labeling decks as “Sultai Food” with zero black cards in the 75, super annoying. I mean I know it all bleeds together but geeze take a second. One neat thing to point out is that Temur Rec is about as budget as it gets. It’s a solidly T2+ deck with no planewalkers and besides the shock lands it’s exclusively made of cards under $2.
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