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Combat Pretzel posted:Oh dear. There's no reason for this quality difference, unless you're running a rotten potato computer. If I understand what's been compared here, Chrome browsers on a computer are limited to 1080p, and the only way to get a 4K stream is through the Chromecast. So it doesn't seem unusual that the Chromecast stream will look better until they let PC streaming go higher.
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doingitwrong posted:It's simple. Stadia is for people who love playing games, who care deeply about graphic fidelity, who have 4k TVs, who can't stomach the price of a console, who don't mind dropping money on speculative gadgets, who have top of the line Internet, who haven't played AAA games in the last 5 years, who don't mind some rough edges when it comes to performance or graphical fidelity.  this is perfect
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uvar posted:If I understand what's been compared here, Chrome browsers on a computer are limited to 1080p, and the only way to get a 4K stream is through the Chromecast. So it doesn't seem unusual that the Chromecast stream will look better until they let PC streaming go higher. Being limited to 1080P isn't the problem though, it looks like it's upscale TO 1080P from say 720P with the rest of the graphics set to Medium. Does it have the same detail missing in 4K and if so, being at 4K doesn't immediately make it look better. Being on Chrome or Chromecast shouldn't matter with visual detail since its all rendered at the same server. Its odd if anything.
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It's a film grain because playing on a PC is about to become nostalgic!
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EdEddnEddy posted:Or they haven't fully cooked their Chrome Extension method or what have you.
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doingitwrong posted:It's simple. Stadia is for people who love playing games, who care deeply about graphic fidelity, who have 4k TVs, who can't stomach the price of a console, who don't mind dropping money on speculative gadgets, who have top of the line Internet, who haven't played AAA games in the last 5 years, who don't mind some rough edges when it comes to performance or graphical fidelity. I'm seeing big opportunity in the Sasquatch demographic I've read so much about! Beyond the very weird, shoddy, piecemeal launch of the Stadia I think that it has deeper issues in terms of its business model. Imagine if google launched a subscription service that was functional across web browsers, smart TVs, smart box whatevers like chromecast, and phones all at once. and the service didn't give you 2 games to start out, but access to a library of ~30+ curated games with more added each month. Maybe they could even bump up the price to 12 bucks a month and still have some folks seeing value there. If they had pushed this launch out 6 months to get everything functional across all devices and at least added a handful of free games or switched to a netflix style subscription they might have had something that somebody wanted. BTW right now the stadia is for marks only. Goons who early adopted a streaming subscription platform! Y'all got 130 dollars to spend I'm happy to hit you on the head with a hammer for half the price (with premium tier subscription limted offer act now!)
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Gutcruncher posted:I really don’t get Stadia. If you’re already buying a console and games and poo poo, why not, say, a PS4 which will allow you to remote play on a phone? This would also have the benefit of allowing you to play at higher quality and less lag and offline when you’re at home and can just play the game on your playstation. If I could just so either Xbox or PS4 on my PC and tv... This would be viable. Yes Stadia hosed this up and it sucks but Stadia is built for me. I want to play mostly on PC and sometimes on TV.
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hostile apostle posted:And $72.24 w/ PS pro discount on PS4 - yea not all store fronts are gonna have the same price. Don't see you taking a poo poo in the PS4 thread about how you found a cheaper price elsewhere. Do they have a Stadia-approved Founder’s Chromecast or are you hoping the firmware update that enables your controller on existing Chromecasts rolls out before Thanksgiving
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hostile apostle posted:Cool, do I put that PS4 disc into my family's dvd player? Excited to play that PS4 disc at their house TIA what is this post
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AdmiralViscen posted:Do they have a Stadia-approved Founder’s Chromecast or are you hoping the firmware update that enables your controller on existing Chromecasts rolls out before Thanksgiving 
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tater_salad posted:If I could just so either Xbox or PS4 on my PC and tv... This would be viable. Yes Stadia hosed this up and it sucks but Stadia is built for me. I want to play mostly on PC and sometimes on TV. I assume you mean a laptop away from home when you say PC? If not, I'm pretty sure Xbox can do in home streaming to PC right now, not even considering their cloud streaming stuff in the future.
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I used Xbox PC streaming + HDMI passthrough before I bought my capture card as a bootleg budget way to stream my Switch on Twitch before I bought a capture card.
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Here To Help posted:Beyond the very weird, shoddy, piecemeal launch of the Stadia I think that it has deeper issues in terms of its business model. Playstation Now: Pay the subscription fee, stream Playstation games from a big curated list, plus you need to buy a PS4 controller if you don't own one GeForce Now: Lots of games, android, windows, & mac compatible, you can play most F2P games, you buy the other games via Steam, uPlay, etc, you could get a subscription to uPlay+. xCloud: Pay the subscription fee to stream a few dozen games, plus you need to buy an xbox controller if you don't own one Stadia: Pay full retail price for every game you play which only work on stadia unless you pay a subscription fee which gives you some random piece of crap every month, supports two dozen games
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AdmiralViscen posted:Do they have a Stadia-approved Founder’s Chromecast or are you hoping the firmware update that enables your controller on existing Chromecasts rolls out before Thanksgiving You dont have to wait, just opt your chromecast into the experimental channel in the Google Home app.
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The Saddest Rhino posted:what is this post I'm mocking the guy who replied to my post and completely ignored everything I said about why I purchased it.
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hostile apostle posted:You dont have to wait, just opt your chromecast into the experimental channel in the Google Home app. when are you guys going to send the missing codes to all those people complaining they haven't got it yet
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hostile apostle posted:I'm mocking the guy who replied to my post and completely ignored everything I said about why I purchased it.
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hostile apostle posted:I'm mocking the guy who replied to my post and completely ignored everything I said about why I purchased it.
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hostile apostle posted:You dont have to wait, just opt your chromecast into the experimental channel in the Google Home app. Nice, RDR2 at 4K60 on the go
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tater_salad posted:I don't think Xbox can stream to OC but I'm not an expert on that Sorry, what's OC? Edit: I just tested Xbox In home streaming to PC and got around 18mbps. Graphics are on par with cloud streaming with controller lag being drastically drastically better. Sudden Loud Noise fucked around with this message at 04:26 on Nov 21, 2019 |
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I like Stadia. It runs well. Tonight I played Red Dead 2 and Destiny 2 with the Stadia controller and wired Chromecast. In both games I could aim my gun and shoot things without any lag or delay. I live in a rural area. I feel satisfied with the purchase. I look forward to reading the whining posts about marketing or whatever.
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That's actually such a good case for the subscription model, the thing would sell itself. Bring your controller over to your friend's and set up the chromecast with a library of games ready to go. Quality might be iffy but you're buying the portability and ease and wow factor - dads who are confounded but fascinated by tech would love it. but only a few people are going to have a lot of games, the ones they have aren't the most fun or ideal for the service or even in a lot of cases casual. RDR2 as a pack in game for Pro or highly discounted, especially while the news about its struggles to run on a lot of high end systems would be great. dont advertise it as 11 jillion teraflops 4k super HD gaming.
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https://mobile.twitter.com/RerezTV/status/1197212106111762432
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This is the problem with streaming. It's a total crapshoot. I read an article on Kotaku about Microsoft's streaming option, and basically they said if you wanted to try out a game, it was good enough, but if you were looking to play seriously, it wouldn't work. And that's the best case for streaming. And I saw Gylt today, and yeah. Your only exclusive is a game that would be at home on the 360. Who is this for?
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Cemetry Gator posted:Who is this for? People who are not into games enough to own a console or PC, but would like to play the one or two big landmark games they hear about per year like RDR2. This is actually a decent number of people! Some of them have posted ITT, they aren't dissatisfied because they don't care that much about 50ms latency or slightly blurry compression. But I don't know if it's a market that can sustain the operation expense. Depends a lot on how many of them stay subscribed to the Pro service. Casual players are like the best/worst case: if they stay subbed that's money for google plus they don't play as many hours as some mega gamer. If they buy one or two games a year and play on the 1080p free tier, google makes little and still has to have capacity for them.
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Cemetry Gator posted:Who is this for? The #stadia hashtag on twitter is 50% hardcore pornography. So I'd say its aimed at people who spend a lot of time on streaming sites, trust that infrastructure to deliver and want to very quickly switch between gaming and masturbating. This is why google had to be so indirect and coy about whose hands they wanted to get this in.
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EdEddnEddy posted:While the tech seems unfeasible to us all currently, the main draw I can see with Stadia, GeforceNOW, and Xbox's future implementation of streaming games, is mainly all these companies trying to cash into the gaming market, without having to develop and support physical hardware that is sold to consumers. The gaming industry is worth Billions and everyone wants a piece of that pie. The first company that can Crack that Streaming goldmine and successfully replace users going out to buy Consoles or dedicated gaming PC's is supposedly going to be the "winner" however the technology, while improved from years past still has the limitation of latency/internet access/data caps/etc. There is a reason why the computer industry exploded after the introduction of personal computers and the videogame industry saw itself growing after the various introductions of consoles, portables and iPhone/Android smartphones. On the other hand when Oracle first and then Sun wanted to reintroduce mainframes they were just laughed off the market. Stadia is Mainframe videogaming.
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Rotten Red Rod posted:Here, I'll re-write Google's Stadia launch: Actually I think that actively trolling the hardcore market by throwing teraflops and no hardware around gives Stadia more visibility even for free. "You can play videogames for cheap" Crickets[1] "Hey everyone talks about this Stadia thing, but you can play video games in your browser. Hardcore gamers hate it because MISOGYNY" Gets paraded around. [1] When Ouya came out, and all the SiliconValley blogs were all about Ouya and how could it killing the videogame market, Sony launched the pstv which was their cheapest gaming platform and it even had ps1 ports. No one cared about cheap gaming for the masses and both platforms died.
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hostile apostle posted:This Tech Jesus guy can't even read and seems be a a liar. This is precious coming from you, brand.
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Here let me completely fix the Stadia launch: It never happens. Instead Google partners with Valve to offer an online streaming service for their already massive library of games and consumers. Pay your 10 dollars and whatever for the controller and now you can play the library of Alexandria for lovely games wherever you want. Nobody complains that the games are tied to potentially failed service, because it's just Steam. Nobody complains that there are 22 games, most of them old and irrelevant, because there are more games than you could ever play in your life. Nobody complains that "Lol new Google service, rip" because Google is only part of the backend, not the showrunner. Hell, I bet you people even complain less about the latency because it's not pretending to be it's own platform, it's just a service that allows you to use your games in another way. It's only your primary way to access these games if you want it to be. And for that matter most of the games aren't the sort that would care about latency, unlike 99% of the games in the Stadia launch. Instead Stadia tries to big dick it's way into a venue it has no understanding of through the clout of Google, forgetting that nobody actually gives a poo poo about Google or anything they produce. That their major consumers are other giant corporations they whore user data out to. And the result is that something that legitimately will be a big part of the future gets to add to it's history "Remember when Google crashed and burned with game streaming and literally everyone that came after them did it better?". And that can be thrown on the pile of like 7 or 8 other ideas that already popped up in this thread of how Google could have done it better, and will be joined by I imagine at least 5 more. Because Google is stupid and that's hilarious.
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For $10 CAD more than the $169 CAD Stadia bundle you can get this instead. If you can take your budget up to $249 CAD you can get a variety of bundles that have the UHD Blu-ray disc drive, including one bundle that includes two controllers. PS4s will be available for $249 CAD / $199 USD in a week that come with three PS4 exclusive games (God of War, The Last of Us, and Horizon: Zero Dawn Complete).
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Mulva posted:"Remember when Google crashed and burned with game streaming Highly probable Mulva posted:and literally everyone that came after them did it better?". if VR is any indication of technologies that people just "can't get into" years later after their first introduction, I would say that with Onlive and Gaikai streaming is possibly another one.
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univbee posted:CAD Stadia bundle The CAD Stadia Bundle is because it's an abortion? 
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limaCAT posted:The CAD Stadia Bundle is because it's an abortion? packet_loss.jpg
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limaCAT posted:if VR is any indication of technologies that people just "can't get into" years later after their first introduction, I would say that with Onlive and Gaikai streaming is possibly another one. A lot of them are fine. Sony's version is fine, Microsoft's version is fine, all of them are fine. In some ways even Stadia is fine, it's just their corporate bullshit doublespeak and lying to try and pretend the product is something it isn't hurt them. As does the lack of titles, and specifically titles that wouldn't care about the occasional dropped second of input, as does tying it to specific hardware, as does....on and on. The idea already works fine, and it's easy to see what the flaws are when trying to sell it as a massive service. It's just that Google is run by morons and that's why they have a mass grave of projects to their name. poo poo I remember that Boston Dynamics just shipped their Spot to people recently. Google used to own them, had them for about a minute, got annoyed their wasn't a product immediately ready to ship, and sold them....to someone that just waited the amount of time it takes to actually develop a viable commercial robot and got their robot in the end. Google's problems have always and will always come back to that simple fact that Google is run by morons and they don't know how to do anything right.
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gschmidl posted:I think it won't be long before we see Steam streaming. it's called remote share play and it's been a public feature for a while
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gschmidl posted:I think it won't be long before we see Steam streaming.
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