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Terrible Opinions posted:He literally only discusses it by whining that oh no the actual progressives might not be as progressive as my almost Republican liberal darlings. So because he supports Warren he support Republicans? That seems to be the implication here, can you actually link the tweet? Because this seems more like leftist purity slap fighting than something normal people care about. quote:Do you not read? Like legitimate question because you just didn't read my post. You and Bob are both perpetuating the myth and poor white people voted for Trump. That is the basis of everything you are claiming here.Those millions of people are all middle class or better. Poor people didn't bother to vote because of voter suppression and Obama's policies literally killing them. Somehow it is a great betrayal that they didn't both voting for four more years of that. Nothing about this is true in either your perception of it, description of it, or understanding of it. Lets stick to what I believe for a second; since you're definitely wrong in regards to what I say but I can only surmise what Bob believes. I believe that there are large amounts of people, lets say 35% in various economic backgrounds who are racist bigots. They have also, with some notable exceptions, routinely vote for the Racist Pro-Racism Bigot routinely by excessive margins in many places, for example up here in Canada looking at the "West" sans British Columbia. But where they are, mostly rural as the case may be isn't really relevant except as a predictor as to which areas end up populated with bigots and thus become Trumpists. I know my rural home area hasn't voted for the explicitly xenophobic racist party in a while. So obviously it isn't universal. The issue is for the people in question; that no argument has appealed to them, the amount of energy and money and time invested in trying to convert even 1% of their votes is far better spent in increasing turnout in other places, in reaching out to other people just as hurt, just as poor; and in protecting and looking out for the interest of marginalized peoples; and this very loud concern over the behalf of "blue collar trump voting whites" is obnoxious past a certain point. Yes, there's systemic issues at play, yes the media plays a part, yes Bob should somewhat know better and be better informed; but at the end of the day, their choice is still their own; they are responsible for it; elections have consequences; and a lot of marginalized people suffer those consequences. Do these rural whites also suffer? Yeah they do, their material conditions get worse everyday, but they see that a black person is suffering more and it gives a big ol' smile on their face; even if I can see how systemic issues are a reason I'm still going to be angry at that person and at the people defending that person. I think its gross to spend so much energy defending the plight of poor downtrodden racists who apparently don't know any better instead of people who at least are turning out and trying to change things for the better. It has nothing to do with being poor, it has everything to do with being racist though and wanting to maintain white privilege and valuing that over your material conditions. Acting like the criticism of "blue collar white trump voters" is synonymous with hating "poor people" is disingenuous. It's weird to posit I like the middle class better or whatever, I've been poor and on social assistance for most of my life; criticizing some small subset of people that make up a preponderance or rural habitants is not at all the same as saying all poor people are bad or all middle class people are good. I bet you most of the middle class people in red states voted Trump, gently caress em too. Like it just seems like to me you just haven't had extended conversations with any right wing individual.
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# ? May 8, 2024 07:14 |
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gently caress OFF
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# ? Nov 22, 2019 20:31 |
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Speaking of white class middle people, who often attend things like colleges, LGR uploaded his review of Sims 4 University
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# ? Nov 22, 2019 20:33 |
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Raenir Salazar posted:
so how do you feel about those evil bigoted poors who you just know are smiling when they see black people suffer statistically being more likely to just not vote at all than vote for Trump, because that's the loving point you dense motherfucker
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# ? Nov 22, 2019 20:33 |
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Leal posted:He wrote a book about how Super Mario Bros 3 changed his life. What still gets me about that book tries to do two things, which is to be this guide to every level of the game that gets outdone by Jeremy Parish's Anatomy Of A Game series, and this somewhat personal story where a videogame happens to be at a key point of his life, that... he legit messed up due to how he framed such on the book. The latter is really, really hard to do and I can probably count on my hand the number of times I've read (and watched) someone relay their history with some game relating to a somewhat personal life story, one of them being this, that seemed at least somewhat good.
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# ? Nov 22, 2019 20:35 |
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Raenir Salazar posted:So because he supports Warren he support Republicans? That seems to be the implication here, can you actually link the tweet? Because this seems more like leftist purity slap fighting than something normal people care about.
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# ? Nov 22, 2019 20:39 |
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Kunster posted:What still gets me about that book tries to do two things, which is to be this guide to every level of the game that gets outdone by Jeremy Parish's Anatomy Of A Game series, and this somewhat personal story where a videogame happens to be at a key point of his life, that... he legit messed up due to how he framed such on the book. The latter is really, really hard to do and I can probably count on my hand the number of times I've read (and watched) someone relay their history with some game relating to a somewhat personal life story, one of them being this, that seemed at least somewhat good. yea to be clear at least for my part when I make fun of this poo poo it's the fact that he decided to mash together a personal story that could have been good told through the lens of how this bit of media shaped that and also this really weird breakdown of the game itself that completely undercuts the point? Like, if Mario 3 really was some transformative thing for you why waste time explaining every level of it, why break down this thing you love into such a coldly dissected product? It genuinely paints a way clearer picture of him than any of his dumbshit tweets.
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# ? Nov 22, 2019 20:39 |
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stop
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# ? Nov 22, 2019 20:39 |
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Endorph posted:cool so what about the parts where moviebob literally says rural people should die and have taken his future from him. not trump voters. rural people. no, silly, that was just him trolling the alt right, any time he does something bad he was trolling or just venting! Moviebob cannot fail, he can only be failed!
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# ? Nov 22, 2019 20:40 |
please stop replying to the unrelenting shitposter I beg you
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# ? Nov 22, 2019 20:42 |
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watho posted:please stop replying to the unrelenting shitposter I beg you
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# ? Nov 22, 2019 20:43 |
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watho posted:please stop replying to the unrelenting shitposter I beg you please stop telling people to ignore me
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# ? Nov 22, 2019 20:44 |
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Kunster posted:He gave an explainer a few days ago (Scroll to the Simpsons screencap) but... it's a "Sorry but not sorry" thing. He could have used the screencaps or the link to the tweets themselves rather than make an awkward, awkward paraphrase that goes on for a bit too long, he didn't quite get the point of the criticism so ends up smashing again on that mindset that NITW is pro-Trump because it humanized a rust belt former mining town. That's funny because NITW literally ends with you and your friends murdering something like a dozen of the allegorical Trump-voters.
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# ? Nov 22, 2019 20:46 |
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Junpei Hyde posted:stop Sorry didn't see your post, I'll stop now. Raenir Salazar fucked around with this message at 20:53 on Nov 22, 2019 |
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Raenir Salazar posted:Again, it's clear from overall context looking beyond that specific tweet he means Trump voters, which to be clear doesn't make it okay; but isn't quite as deserving of the current level of vitriol or you know, harassment campaigns. Others in this very threads such as Terrible Opinions seem to at least recognize this is true; though they disagree whether there is any distinction or relevance. sexpig by night posted:no, silly, that was just him trolling the alt right, any time he does something bad he was trolling or just venting! Moviebob cannot fail, he can only be failed!
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# ? Nov 22, 2019 20:53 |
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A few months in the gulag for Bob, a year for all Trump supports, double that if they earn over 100k. Full health-care for everyone, and former mining towns have training programs to retrain people as engineers or something locally useful. Plus trains that can go at a decent speed. Speaking of trains, new donoteat content on his disaster channel!
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# ? Nov 22, 2019 21:18 |
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https://twitter.com/maddoxrules/status/1197772096677404673?s=20 Maddox supporting trans rights? The world really is upside down.
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# ? Nov 22, 2019 21:30 |
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Maddox has apparently been shifting left over the years. It's kind of nice to see, really.
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# ? Nov 22, 2019 21:34 |
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Mr E posted:Yeah the first game from the little I played and watched was worse in pretty much every way, from the translation or lack of it to the gameplay. For a time, like when I remember the first big LP of it dropping, the bad translation almost added to the weird dreamlike quality along with the strange and terrible gameplay. Since everyone was talking in a weird dream logic, the errors didn't stand out as much. At least in the Doctor's path. The others were straight up unplayable from what I remember. Although I think even the Doctor's path had baffling errors where objectives like "go down this street and turn left" somehow turned into "go to the right." My only bummer was that I was halfway through a Pathlogic playthrough when I realized that Pathologic 2 was actually just a clean up and reboot, and that I'd struggled against a rough game for nothing.
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# ? Nov 22, 2019 21:36 |
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yea Maddox has apparently been trying to do better and all, he's kinda had that 'oh, so a lot of the people laughing at me making a dumb joke I didn't think too much about just genuinely hated the kinds of people I was making fun of' realization a lot of people from that time have.
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# ? Nov 22, 2019 21:36 |
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Leal posted:Speaking of white class middle people, who often attend things like colleges, LGR uploaded his review of Sims 4 University This was a good video but also it's kind of depressing that even your Sim can now go into crippling student loan debt
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# ? Nov 22, 2019 21:51 |
So December is coming up, and yet YouTube hasn't made an announcement for YouTube Rewind 2019...so i think i can safely say that YouTube Rewind is officially dead... and I think that's for the greater good.
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# ? Nov 22, 2019 21:54 |
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Blood Nightmaster posted:This was a good video but also it's kind of depressing that even your Sim can now go into crippling student loan debt Its funny in a morbid way, that EA took the complains that Sims 4 was ridiculously easy and a clear wish fulfillment game so they went on ahead and made university challenging.
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# ? Nov 22, 2019 21:54 |
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Leal posted:Its funny in a morbid way, that EA took the complains that Sims 4 was ridiculously easy and a clear wish fulfillment game so they went on ahead and made university challenging. Haven't The Sims (and the entire SimNoun franchise) been easy wish fulfillment games? Isn't the point to build a utopian ant farm and then get bored and see if you can make a horrible dystopia that's just barely stable enough to keep grinding forward?
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# ? Nov 22, 2019 22:10 |
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Raenir Salazar posted:So because he supports Warren he support Republicans? That seems to be the implication here, can you actually link the tweet? Because this seems more like leftist purity slap fighting than something normal people care about. Too long; didn't read, classism is trash
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# ? Nov 22, 2019 22:51 |
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Equeen posted:It's a great video on a fascinating game I never want to play. Concisely summed up. I love that hbomb bit the bullet and played the game so we don't have to, because Pathologic looks utterly insane in the best and worst kind of way. I personally love his longer videos because he's usually pretty insightful and I think his perspective on things is interesting. Also sexpigs rants are amazing and I'm totally here for him tearing Moviebob a new orifice. Also also Endorph posted:anyone who thinks marvel movies are making any meaningful societal progress is a piece of poo poo
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# ? Nov 22, 2019 22:57 |
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Hbomb's Pathologic video was great! I strongly recommend it, what a fascinating dive into what is apparently Russian Literature: The Game. Also, Moviebob is trash and I cannot believe that he has a defender. To the point that, just admit it. You're him, Raenir.
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# ? Nov 22, 2019 23:01 |
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Oh yeah, the serious crime of liking Marvel movies. Sure, Moviebob might have said some weird poo poo about the working class and rural people, but that's not as bad as enjoying Captain Marvel.
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# ? Nov 22, 2019 23:02 |
Spark That Bled posted:Oh yeah, the serious crime of liking Marvel movies. This but unironically
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# ? Nov 22, 2019 23:04 |
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McCloud posted:Concisely summed up. I love that hbomb bit the bullet and played the game so we don't have to, because Pathologic looks utterly insane in the best and worst kind of way. I personally love his longer videos because he's usually pretty insightful and I think his perspective on things is interesting. Pathologic is the kind of game that's original enough you enjoy it in spite of its jank that you have to actively work around. One of the secret endings even has the developer breaking character and flat out apologizing for it. Pathologic 2 is a reboot (can you have a reboot of there never was a series?) where it mostly tells the same story as the original but now the developer has a lot more resources and experience and integrates more modern game design into it. If you ever get the itch to play the game just skip to 2.
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# ? Nov 22, 2019 23:10 |
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watho posted:This but unironically It's nice to know the true weight of your character.
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# ? Nov 22, 2019 23:11 |
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Endorph posted:why dont you want people to reply to me..... sexpig by night posted:please stop telling people to ignore me Hey, no sockpuppeting!
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# ? Nov 22, 2019 23:15 |
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how dare you, I'm just a very unoriginal individual
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sexpig by night posted:how dare you, I'm just a very unoriginal individual What, you didn't think that accusing somebody to be Moviebob might backfire on you?
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# ? Nov 22, 2019 23:21 |
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We're all a little bit Moviebob.
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# ? Nov 22, 2019 23:28 |
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If we're having another debate on the MCU, I will just say that I think Cloak & Dagger was probably the most legitimately socially-conscious MCU media, but I've never seen anyone doing thinkpieces on it at all. Which is a real pity, since it's legitimately good.
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Yvonmukluk posted:If we're having another debate on the MCU, I will just say that I think Cloak & Dagger was probably the most legitimately socially-conscious MCU media, but I've never seen anyone doing thinkpieces on it at all. Which is a real pity, since it's legitimately good. Careful, someone might think you're Moviebob in disguise.
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# ? Nov 22, 2019 23:33 |
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Spark That Bled posted:It's nice to know the true weight of your character. Hm, you got the bad opinions all right, but are they sexy? Acute Grill posted:Pathologic is the kind of game that's original enough you enjoy it in spite of its jank that you have to actively work around. One of the secret endings even has the developer breaking character and flat out apologizing for it. I actually considered it, if nothing else to support the arts (such as it is, lol) but honestly I think having the whole bit spoiled kinda ruins the magic. Also I'm currently poor and have a backlog of other totally amazing artsy games like..uh..devil may cry and..kingdom hearts... Unless of course there's a whole lot of other cool things they added in the game in which case I'd still be interested, but honestly, I think the core conceit of having an oppressive and unfun gameplay as a means of kinda torturing you in the name of eliciting the appropriate response isn't really for me, interesting as it sounds on paper
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# ? Nov 22, 2019 23:33 |
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Spark That Bled posted:Careful, someone might think you're Moviebob in disguise. I'll be honest that after a certain point I just put people on ignore, like when they resort to death threats.
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McCloud posted:Hm, you got the bad opinions all right, but are they sexy? I dunno, I'm not into the whole eugenics thing. Not at all. McCloud posted:I actually considered it, if nothing else to support the arts (such as it is, lol) but honestly I think having the whole bit spoiled kinda ruins the magic. Also I'm currently poor and have a backlog of other totally amazing artsy games like..uh..devil may cry and..kingdom hearts... You do know that Disney owns Marvel, right? You traitor.
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