Terrible Opinions posted:

He literally only discusses it by whining that oh no the actual progressives might not be as progressive as my almost Republican liberal darlings.

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Do you not read? Like legitimate question because you just didn't read my post. You and Bob are both perpetuating the myth and poor white people voted for Trump. That is the basis of everything you are claiming here.Those millions of people are all middle class or better. Poor people didn't bother to vote because of voter suppression and Obama's policies literally killing them. Somehow it is a great betrayal that they didn't both voting for four more years of that.

Also it's pretty laughable that you're trying to pull the "always white" bit here when the two American fronts for socialism are a Jewish man and a Latino woman.

Raenir Salazar posted:

The issue is for the people in question; that no argument has appealed to them, the amount of energy and money and time invested in trying to convert even 1% of their votes is far better spent in increasing turnout in other places, in reaching out to other people just as hurt, just as poor; and in protecting and looking out for the interest of marginalized peoples; and this very loud concern over the behalf of "blue collar trump voting whites" is obnoxious past a certain point.

Yes, there's systemic issues at play, yes the media plays a part, yes Bob should somewhat know better and be better informed; but at the end of the day, their choice is still their own; they are responsible for it; elections have consequences; and a lot of marginalized people suffer those consequences. Do these rural whites also suffer? Yeah they do, their material conditions get worse everyday, but they see that a black person is suffering more and it gives a big ol' smile on their face; even if I can see how systemic issues are a reason I'm still going to be angry at that person and at the people defending that person.

I think its gross to spend so much energy defending the plight of poor downtrodden racists who apparently don't know any better instead of people who at least are turning out and trying to change things for the better. It has nothing to do with being poor, it has everything to do with being racist though and wanting to maintain white privilege and valuing that over your material conditions. Acting like the criticism of "blue collar white trump voters" is synonymous with hating "poor people" is disingenuous.

Leal posted:

He wrote a book about how Super Mario Bros 3 changed his life.

Raenir Salazar posted:

So because he supports Warren he support Republicans? That seems to be the implication here, can you actually link the tweet? Because this seems more like leftist purity slap fighting than something normal people care about.


Nothing about this is true in either your perception of it, description of it, or understanding of it.

Lets stick to what I believe for a second; since you're definitely wrong in regards to what I say but I can only surmise what Bob believes.

I believe that there are large amounts of people, lets say 35% in various economic backgrounds who are racist bigots. They have also, with some notable exceptions, routinely vote for the Racist Pro-Racism Bigot routinely by excessive margins in many places, for example up here in Canada looking at the "West" sans British Columbia. But where they are, mostly rural as the case may be isn't really relevant except as a predictor as to which areas end up populated with bigots and thus become Trumpists. I know my rural home area hasn't voted for the explicitly xenophobic racist party in a while. So obviously it isn't universal.

The issue is for the people in question; that no argument has appealed to them, the amount of energy and money and time invested in trying to convert even 1% of their votes is far better spent in increasing turnout in other places, in reaching out to other people just as hurt, just as poor; and in protecting and looking out for the interest of marginalized peoples; and this very loud concern over the behalf of "blue collar trump voting whites" is obnoxious past a certain point.

Yes, there's systemic issues at play, yes the media plays a part, yes Bob should somewhat know better and be better informed; but at the end of the day, their choice is still their own; they are responsible for it; elections have consequences; and a lot of marginalized people suffer those consequences. Do these rural whites also suffer? Yeah they do, their material conditions get worse everyday, but they see that a black person is suffering more and it gives a big ol' smile on their face; even if I can see how systemic issues are a reason I'm still going to be angry at that person and at the people defending that person.

I think its gross to spend so much energy defending the plight of poor downtrodden racists who apparently don't know any better instead of people who at least are turning out and trying to change things for the better. It has nothing to do with being poor, it has everything to do with being racist though and wanting to maintain white privilege and valuing that over your material conditions. Acting like the criticism of "blue collar white trump voters" is synonymous with hating "poor people" is disingenuous.

It's weird to posit I like the middle class better or whatever, I've been poor and on social assistance for most of my life; criticizing some small subset of people that make up a preponderance or rural habitants is not at all the same as saying all poor people are bad or all middle class people are good. I bet you most of the middle class people in red states voted Trump, gently caress em too.

Like it just seems like to me you just haven't had extended conversations with any right wing individual.

Kunster posted:

What still gets me about that book tries to do two things, which is to be this guide to every level of the game that gets outdone by Jeremy Parish's Anatomy Of A Game series, and this somewhat personal story where a videogame happens to be at a key point of his life, that... he legit messed up due to how he framed such on the book. The latter is really, really hard to do and I can probably count on my hand the number of times I've read (and watched) someone relay their history with some game relating to a somewhat personal life story, one of them being this, that seemed at least somewhat good.

Raenir Salazar posted:

Endorph posted:

cool so what about the parts where moviebob literally says rural people should die and have taken his future from him. not trump voters. rural people.

watho posted:

please stop replying to the unrelenting shitposter I beg you

watho posted:

please stop replying to the unrelenting shitposter I beg you

Kunster posted:

He gave an explainer a few days ago (Scroll to the Simpsons screencap) but... it's a "Sorry but not sorry" thing. He could have used the screencaps or the link to the tweets themselves rather than make an awkward, awkward paraphrase that goes on for a bit too long, he didn't quite get the point of the criticism so ends up smashing again on that mindset that NITW is pro-Trump because it humanized a rust belt former mining town.

Junpei Hyde posted:

stop

Raenir Salazar posted:

Again, it's clear from overall context looking beyond that specific tweet he means Trump voters, which to be clear doesn't make it okay; but isn't quite as deserving of the current level of vitriol or you know, harassment campaigns. Others in this very threads such as Terrible Opinions seem to at least recognize this is true; though they disagree whether there is any distinction or relevance.

"Taken his future from him" was addressed, an exaggeration, being facetious; they didn't specifically take his future away, he's doing fine (though I do point out that Gamergate harassment did result in him losing his job at the Escapist originally before its reboot so it isn't like he hasn't had his livelihood harmed by the right wing); its more venting about the way conservatives are holding back the country from meaningful change, like combating climate change.

He "literally said" people should be Thanos snapped yes, but he also in the subsequent post says "Thanos isn't real " implying it was a joke and not something he actually wants to literally happen; it was the wrong thing to say, sure. Though I do point out people on these forums routinely say the same things (about the middle class back in ye old breadtube thread) and people moved on.

sexpig by night posted:

no, silly, that was just him trolling the alt right, any time he does something bad he was trolling or just venting! Moviebob cannot fail, he can only be failed!

Mr E posted:

Yeah the first game from the little I played and watched was worse in pretty much every way, from the translation or lack of it to the gameplay.

Leal posted:

Speaking of white class middle people, who often attend things like colleges, LGR uploaded his review of Sims 4 University

Blood Nightmaster posted:

This was a good video but also it's kind of depressing that even your Sim can now go into crippling student loan debt

Leal posted:

Its funny in a morbid way, that EA took the complains that Sims 4 was ridiculously easy and a clear wish fulfillment game so they went on ahead and made university challenging.

Raenir Salazar posted:

So because he supports Warren he support Republicans? That seems to be the implication here, can you actually link the tweet? Because this seems more like leftist purity slap fighting than something normal people care about.


Nothing about this is true in either your perception of it, description of it, or understanding of it.

Lets stick to what I believe for a second; since you're definitely wrong in regards to what I say but I can only surmise what Bob believes.

I believe that there are large amounts of people, lets say 35% in various economic backgrounds who are racist bigots. They have also, with some notable exceptions, routinely vote for the Racist Pro-Racism Bigot routinely by excessive margins in many places, for example up here in Canada looking at the "West" sans British Columbia. But where they are, mostly rural as the case may be isn't really relevant except as a predictor as to which areas end up populated with bigots and thus become Trumpists. I know my rural home area hasn't voted for the explicitly xenophobic racist party in a while. So obviously it isn't universal.

The issue is for the people in question; that no argument has appealed to them, the amount of energy and money and time invested in trying to convert even 1% of their votes is far better spent in increasing turnout in other places, in reaching out to other people just as hurt, just as poor; and in protecting and looking out for the interest of marginalized peoples; and this very loud concern over the behalf of "blue collar trump voting whites" is obnoxious past a certain point.

Yes, there's systemic issues at play, yes the media plays a part, yes Bob should somewhat know better and be better informed; but at the end of the day, their choice is still their own; they are responsible for it; elections have consequences; and a lot of marginalized people suffer those consequences. Do these rural whites also suffer? Yeah they do, their material conditions get worse everyday, but they see that a black person is suffering more and it gives a big ol' smile on their face; even if I can see how systemic issues are a reason I'm still going to be angry at that person and at the people defending that person.

I think its gross to spend so much energy defending the plight of poor downtrodden racists who apparently don't know any better instead of people who at least are turning out and trying to change things for the better. It has nothing to do with being poor, it has everything to do with being racist though and wanting to maintain white privilege and valuing that over your material conditions. Acting like the criticism of "blue collar white trump voters" is synonymous with hating "poor people" is disingenuous.

It's weird to posit I like the middle class better or whatever, I've been poor and on social assistance for most of my life; criticizing some small subset of people that make up a preponderance or rural habitants is not at all the same as saying all poor people are bad or all middle class people are good. I bet you most of the middle class people in red states voted Trump, gently caress em too.

Like it just seems like to me you just haven't had extended conversations with any right wing individual.

Equeen posted:

It's a great video on a fascinating game I never want to play.

Endorph posted:

anyone who thinks marvel movies are making any meaningful societal progress is a piece of poo poo

Spark That Bled posted:

Oh yeah, the serious crime of liking Marvel movies.

Sure, Moviebob might have said some weird poo poo about the working class and rural people, but that's not as bad as enjoying Captain Marvel.

McCloud posted:

Concisely summed up. I love that hbomb bit the bullet and played the game so we don't have to, because Pathologic looks utterly insane in the best and worst kind of way. I personally love his longer videos because he's usually pretty insightful and I think his perspective on things is interesting.

watho posted:

This but unironically

Endorph posted:

why dont you want people to reply to me.....

sexpig by night posted:

please stop telling people to ignore me

sexpig by night posted:

how dare you, I'm just a very unoriginal individual

Yvonmukluk posted:

If we're having another debate on the MCU, I will just say that I think Cloak & Dagger was probably the most legitimately socially-conscious MCU media, but I've never seen anyone doing thinkpieces on it at all. Which is a real pity, since it's legitimately good.

Spark That Bled posted:

It's nice to know the true weight of your character.

Acute Grill posted:

Pathologic is the kind of game that's original enough you enjoy it in spite of its jank that you have to actively work around. One of the secret endings even has the developer breaking character and flat out apologizing for it.

Pathologic 2 is a reboot (can you have a reboot of there never was a series?) where it mostly tells the same story as the original but now the developer has a lot more resources and experience and integrates more modern game design into it. If you ever get the itch to play the game just skip to 2.

Spark That Bled posted:

Careful, someone might think you're Moviebob in disguise.

McCloud posted:

Hm, you got the bad opinions all right, but are they sexy?

McCloud posted:

I actually considered it, if nothing else to support the arts (such as it is, lol) but honestly I think having the whole bit spoiled kinda ruins the magic. Also I'm currently poor and have a backlog of other totally amazing artsy games like..uh..devil may cry and..kingdom hearts...