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SubnormalityStairs posted:Hoo boy are you in luck. I work as a game dev manager for a company that develops gaming products. My team in particular builds (primarily) casino games for electronic gaming machines (EGMs).
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SubnormalityStairs posted:"Oh, word? Cool, can I get that in writing so I can take it to this state's gaming authority? I'm sure they'd be thrilled to hear you don't have adequate surveillance equipment." Sometimes there's no coverage. The angle isn't right, the camera is broken, someone was watching something else at the time. Someone didn't reset the camera to the home position. There are still dead spots. Human error is still a thing. Also, surveillance is fun. If you look stupid or have your boobs hanging out there are creepy dudes who have been watching you since the moment you walked in.
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food court bailiff posted:my wife has informed me that i was conflating my own experiences with Full House once again Drunk Nerds posted:Have MERCY! Please don't make fun of my condition like this DN, it's very serious - doctors aren't sure but they think it dates back to a childhood riding accident when my horse, Old Peppermill, reared back instead of jumping over a log and I fell off and hit my head. I had amnesia for nearly 48 hours!
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I worked a casino in West cost Canada. There was an old Chinese lady who was there for about 18 hours every day, spoke no English and was the darling of all the pit bosses/managers for the piles of money she dropped every day. She was a mean old bitch that would slap the hands of dealers if she got a bad hand, if you called the pit boss over to complain she'd affect a sweet old lady routine and they'd ignore it. Rinse and repeat.
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10 years or so a Casino opened up in St. Louis. The steak house offered Waygu beef and I wanted to try it. It was very fatty and not as good as regular steak house beef. Since we're there I said to my wife let's go blow some money in the casino. She went to the bathroom and I said I would meet her at the bar in the center of the casino. I sat at the bar put $20 in the video poker machine and told the bartender I would like a white Russian. I played two hands (lost) and the bartender came over with my drink and said. "That'll be $5.00." I said, "Wait , I'm gambling. The deal is I lose money and you feed me free drinks.". "Not in Missouri honey." I was told. I gave her $6.00 and pressed max bet, and got a royal straight flush. The bartender was standing right there and she said, "You didin't just do that did you?". I said, "Yes, how do you cash out?". She said, "You're cashing out you just won $1,000!?!". "That's why I'm cashing out.", I told her. I took my slip to the window and walked out. My wife was just walking in and said, "Twit! How did you get throw out of a casino that quickly?". I showed her the money and we left. That's my casino story.
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Oh no someone started a casino thread.. The bad: 1. Gambling $700 bond deposit I was meant to return to my roommate even though I knew he needed it for his next place. He was, after the initial anger, very understanding and even came to a few ga meetings with me after. 2. Not really caring when a long term relationship broke up over gambling because hey; now I can gamble more! 3. Stealing $1600 from work's petty cash (the boss was going on a business trip the next morning) one night, luckily (?) when I was down to the last $50 I won back exactly $1600. 4. Getting drunk and crashing my car after a bad bender, twice. 5. Stealing cash from friends and family, numerous times. 6. Losing $5000 in one night (was a one time tax windfall), getting down to my last $100 and winning $5000 back on a 50c bet. Then immediately losing it all again. 7. Gambling instead of going to ga meetings or immediately after them. 8. Winning $24,000, but not making it through the pending withdraw period and losing it all back. The good: 1. Since having a kid I don't really have time to gamble much anymore 2. Immediately contradicting 1 I did go out a couple nights ago and won the Grand jackpot for the first time at a pub. $6100. Ended up with $5121 after buying drinks and bankrolling everyone that night. 3. This is the one I'll cop the most flack for: a couple of months ago I developed A SYSTEM. It actually works and only fleeces the crappiest of the crappy online casinos that operate illegally in my country. 4. Since developing said system it makes normal gambling pretty unenticing. Wutang-Yutani fucked around with this message at 23:49 on Dec 10, 2019 |
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I went to Vegas a few months ago on a business trip. As I walked through the casino in our hotel and the strip, I constantly asked myself: what's going to happen to this town after the Boomers die off? Aside from the smattering of genx and millennials, it seemed to either be Americans over 50 or non Americans presumably on vacation. I guess the answer was in front of me in the form of loving Marshalls and TJ Maxx on the strip (both were packed on a Tuesday afternoon) And of all of the food chains, Denny's?!
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Cheesus posted:And of all of the food chains, Denny's?! Well you see... Cheesus posted:it seemed to either be Americans over 50 or non Americans presumably on vacation.
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SubnormalityStairs posted:Hoo boy are you in luck. I work as a game dev manager for a company that develops gaming products. My team in particular builds (primarily) casino games for electronic gaming machines (EGMs). When you say you worked in Electronic Gaming Machines, do you mean Slot Machines, (or Pokies as all godly people call them)? Or did you work developing the Rapid games? (Rapid Roulette, Rapid Blackjack, and last time I was in Melbourne I even saw Rapid Baccarat)? I ask because if I remember correctly the Rapid games were developed as a loophole to get around how many machines the Casino could legally have. (Because there was an actual dealer it was classified as a Table Game, even though that one dealer dealt to a bunch of different electronically connected screens.) My second question is what are the maths on EGMs? Again, if I remember correctly, the payout percentage on the pokies when I was working there was 87%, but that may have changed. Edit: I thought of some other questions. When licensing the machines, i.e. the 'themed' ones, how do you choose which license to go with? For example, old people play the pokies more than young people, so do you go chasing down the Downton Abbey IP owners? Or do they come to you? On the licencing stuff, for example lets say a competitor has a generic cowboy themed machine, can you also put out a generic cowboy themed machine, so long as the cartoon cowboys are different? Do you get exclusivity when your company signs a contract with a casino? i.e. they only stock your machines and not competitors? BrigadierSensible fucked around with this message at 00:33 on Dec 11, 2019 |
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nrook posted:I got the opposite problem, I moved to Brooklyn recently and I miss my small Bay Area poker rooms. It doesn't help that none of my friends here gamble though so I can't find a game. I haven't lived in Brooklyn in like eight years or I'd help you out, but if you're a regular at drat near any bar and mention you're into poker someone will almost certainly point you at a game eventually.
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There was a guy in one of our local poker rooms that would just piss under the table instead of getting up and going to the bathroom. I never witnessed it, but I know several dealers and players that all claim its true, and that the guy got away with it for awhile before getting caught. One local legend is about a guy in a casino 50 miles or so south of us stealing a $1000 tournament poker chip, which says 1000 on it but has not actual value, and using it to pay a hooker. As the story goes, she made Quite the ruckus when the casino refused to give her a grand for the chip. The only out of the ordinary thing I’ve seen is the State Police sneaking into the room and drawing down on a guy sitting at a cash table, while screaming at him to put his hands up. That was a year or so ago, and I still wonder if they bagged his stack and held it for him until he was out, or if the casino held it for the obligatory 30 days then claimed it. Before he was traded Phil Kessel used to play in the poker room that I play in. He played PLO for whatever the highest stakes he could get; I think it was usually 5/10 but I’m pretty sure it got up to 25/50 (or maybe bigger?). That brought a few rich guys that wanted to say the play high stakes poker with Phil Kessel, which then brought a few semi-pro guys to the game (probably pros too, but I watched them kick at least one guy out of Kessels game for being a professional). That game would get ridiculous some nights, with guys potting constantly and sometimes a million or more in chips in play at times. Oh, and also China Paul. I’m fairly confident at least 1 east coast degenerate in this thread will know him.
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Oswald Kesselpot posted:One local legend is about a guy in a casino 50 miles or so south of us stealing a $1000 tournament poker chip, which says 1000 on it but has not actual value, and using it to pay a hooker. As the story goes, she made Quite the ruckus when the casino refused to give her a grand for the chip. lmao
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Oswald Kesselpot posted:
Back in Melbourne when I was training we had a similar story that went that one of the trainee dealers took some of the chips we used to train with, (that have no cash value), and used them to pay for sex at a local brothel. The sex worker in question was also not pleased when the cage refused to pay her, and indeed pulled her aside for questioning to ask where she got one of our supposedly very important training chips.
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i counted cards for a little while to pay for college. i would walk into a casino with about $1k at the beginning of a weekend, basically live there the entire weekend, and walk out with usually about 3x as much as i walked in with. i would then pay my tuition with that money and go back to school for a little while longer. i did this three times over the course of my college career. i had to do it in the shittiest casinos you can imagine, because most casinos have card-counters on the cameras, and if you start playing the way they would play, they will break the shoe and ruin your count. and when i say lovely, i mean lovely. i counted cards in miami county, oklahoma. no, it's not pronounced like the city in florida. it's pronounced 'my-amm-uh'. these were converted small warehouses, basically one room. in a couple they brought out blackjack on a loving folding table. i still got 86ed a few times.
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Yo, stop using loving gambler lingo that is not in the general lexicon. Like, what the gently caress does “break the shoe” mean?
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mikemil828 posted:I got a couple of stories: Kids in Casinos is indeed serious business outside of Vegas, a long time ago our extended relatives decided to take my family to the Connecticut Foxwoods to take a look at the place and I ended up having to sit in the car the entire time because I was the only one under the age of 18 and they wouldn’t allow me to step one foot into the Casino. lol ur extended relatives are assholes who wanted to gamble, you absolutely can go in most parts of Foxwoods as a kid, just not on the gambling floor also surprise jeff koons is a huge piece of poo poo plagiarist
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1redflag posted:Yo, stop using loving gambler lingo that is not in the general lexicon. Like, what the gently caress does “break the shoe” mean? Counting cards involves you remembering which cards have been played so that you can predict which cards are still in the deck. Its been mathematically shown that high cards are better for players and low cards are better for the house. If you bet when there are a lot of high cards still in the deck your chances of winning increase. So what you do is say that cards that are say 9 and above are worth -1 point, cards 6-8 are worth 0 points and cards 2-5 are worth 1 point. If the dealer plays a 3 you mentally add 1 if he he then plays a 4 you add one again if he then plays a 10 you subtract one so that your total is now 1. The higher your mental count is the more likely you are to beat the dealer. When the mental counts low or god forbid negative the dealers more likely to win. So in the most obvious form of card counting that any casino not run by brain-dead slobs would spot from a mile away you bet the minimum when the counts low and make big bets when the counts high. Now card counting is trivially easy when you only have one deck but it gets harder to do it to your advantage when multiple decks are being used at once. This is because the whole thing rests on the idea that once the dealer plays a 3 he can't play that 3 again until he reshuffles and there are only 4 threes in a deck. When you have 8 decks counting cards is p hard because now there's 32 threes you need to account for. Casinos have started using as many decks as possible because it makes card counting harder and it also reduces the amount of reshuffles which is time people aren't spending gambling (the second most unholy sin in casinos surpassed only by actually winning). These eight decks are kept in something called a shoe which is a plastic case that prevents the cards from toppling over and stops people from tampering with the cards. Breaking the shoe means reshuffling the deck early which ruins the count and makes you have to start over.
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I'm originally from a city with two casinos and a giant waterfall! I'm sure you can imagine how that plays out during the summer!
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1redflag posted:Yo, stop using loving gambler lingo that is not in the general lexicon. Like, what the gently caress does “break the shoe” mean? sorry, good call. please let me know if there's something else i use that makes no sense. so in blackjack, you play the game with a certain number of decks of cards, usually between 3 and 5, but it can be more. obviously it's possible to play with only 1, but no place i've ever seen actually does. this collection of decks is called the shoe. knowing this number is critical to counting, because what you're counting is the number of various values of cards so you can quickly and efficiently make decisions on what your strategy should look like. the reason this is so important is because blackjack is one of the very, very few games where the gambler can get very close to the house. played optimally without counting (ie, using only the information that's in front of you at the time), you can expect to get something like 96 cents back for every dollar you bet. this changes slightly based upon how many decks are in the shoe but the point here is that it's very close to 100 cents. most games are in the 80s and particularly opaque games like slots tend to be in the 70s. if you count cards, you improve your odds to the point where your expected rate of return is actually greater than 100 cents per dollar. or, to put it another way, you're going to win money over the long term rather than lose it. this is why there's the enduring stupid rumors going around that counting cards is cheating (it's not, the only thing you're doing is acting upon what you've seen) or that it is illegal (it isn't, same reason and you are not breaking any rules of the game). however, because you're acting upon what you have seen, when the shoe runs out and is reshuffled, you must start your count over. so when a casino suspects a blackjack player is counting cards, they simply have to have the pitboss come over and say "we're going to reshuffle the shoe after this hand" to the dealer. that reshuffle is known as breaking the shoe. this is kind of a pain in the rear end for the dealer but it completely ruins a card counter's flow and is a pretty clear signal that they're on to you, so most counters will get up and leave. on the surface this isn't intensely suspicious because even blackjack players that aren't counting will tend to prefer to get in at the beginning of a shoe and leave at the end of it. but mechanically, like i said, if the pitboss comes over in the middle of a shoe, everyone is concentrating and betting, there's really no reason to break that shoe unless someone at the table is counting. counting works best when you're able to play the whole shoe (though it still works when they do, technically), and casinos are completely within their rights to kick you out (or "86 you") for any or no reason whatsoever. so it's a generally the way well put together casinos give you a warning shot that they know you're counting, please stop, and if you keep it up they'll have the pitboss bring a gorilla from security to escort you out. none of that really happens in these podunk casinos in the middle of nowhere though so they are still havens for card-counters and card-counting teams to show up every so often and make money.
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Has anybody here ever gambled on one of those river boat casinos
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Tetramin posted:Has anybody here ever gambled on one of those river boat casinos yeah, wasn't impressed. but i'm probably the wrong person to ask because the only casinos i've ever truly enjoyed were those lovely ones as i enjoy making money  got a more specific question?
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Coolguye posted:yeah, wasn't impressed. For some reason I’ve always been under the impression that they’re somewhat higher stakes games usually is that true? I don’t think I’d really enjoy myself on one either, do they do that to skirt some sort of casino laws in certain areas or just for novelty?
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Tetramin posted:Has anybody here ever gambled on one of those river boat casinos That guy got thrown off one in the Karma Chameleon video, OP
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Earth Table posted:That guy got thrown off one in the Karma Chameleon video, OP Good old Boy George and the Culture Club
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Tetramin posted:Has anybody here ever gambled on one of those river boat casinos Indiana used to only allow riverboat casinos and only while in the water. Then they changed it because there were so many traffic accidents from gambling addicts rushing to get on the boat before it left so they could be permanently moored. Then they changed it again so you could have landbased casinos because what was even the point of forcing it to be in the water if it was permanently dockside? It took them ten years to connect that dot.
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The boat being on the water until the operators decide to head back to shore is a pretty great way to keep people spending when they might’ve otherwise wise left
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Tetramin posted:The boat being on the water until the operators decide to head back to shore is a pretty great way to keep people spending when they might’ve otherwise wise left Those are small fry buddy. The kind of people Casinos make money off of only leave casinos to get more money for the casinos.
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Toxic Mental posted:Simple story but when I lived in Korea my boss and I would go to the casinos (foreigners only) and sit next to each other at Texas Holdem tables and when one of us had a strong pocket pair or AK/AQ we’d tap on the other’s shoe to tell each other to fold. We took some drunk Japanese businessmen (who would always be playing drunk and play extremely loose poker) for a few thousand dollars for several weeks. Our head office closed our branch and the money we had made playing poker was able to sustain me for a few months while I searched for another job. I’d still like to go back to Asia and play on those casinos because there are some easy fish who play there. There are also a number of semi-pro players who frequent those casinos on ‘tours’ of Asia who make a living going around the various casinos and hustling the fish like those businessmen. How good would one have to be to reliably get money out of those guys? I have a general understanding of what constitutes a hand that doesn't suck, but no real hand reading skill. I was tempted to visit Korea when I read about their animal cafes (some of which feature raccoons and meerkats), but Korea doesn't seem to have much else that intetrests me. This, on the other hand...
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im a supervisor at one of the largest sportsbooks in vegas feel free to ask me anything
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Maybe I'm weird but the constant noise in a casino makes my teeth itch in a figurative way. Can't stand hearing the inside of one. A sharp? Or whatever note they use. Maybe I'm a gambling addict with a natural defence mechanism I don't know
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STONE COLD 64 posted:im a supervisor at one of the largest sportsbooks in vegas feel free to ask me anything What's it like being a supervisor at one of the largest sportsbooks in vegas? Follow up question, what is a sportsbook?
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Tetramin posted:For some reason I’ve always been under the impression that they’re somewhat higher stakes games usually is that true? I don’t think I’d really enjoy myself on one either, do they do that to skirt some sort of casino laws in certain areas or just for novelty? the boats tend to be smaller, and nobody makes a lot of money on penny slots, so it's really more that the absolute bottom-tier betting is absent than it is the stakes are higher in general.
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STONE COLD 64 posted:im a supervisor at one of the largest sportsbooks in vegas feel free to ask me anything Whats the benefits like?
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Tips for poker players that are new to live games from a dealer perspective. 1. Be nice, especially to the people who don't know what they're doing. They will give you their money, eventually. Be nice. 2. Don't be a speed bump, live poker is already very slow. You don't need 2 minutes to think about a $14 raise. You're not on ESPN. 3. No one ever wants to hear your bad beat story unless a card flew off the table and hit someone in the eye. Everyone gets sucked out on, that's poker. I promise you your story isn't special. 4. If you have any questions always ask the dealer, not another player. 5. American dealers work for tips. Tip your dealers if you win a hand. 6. Pay attention to the game and protect your cards. 7. You don't have to be sociable, but seriously, don't berate new/drunk players. They will give you all their money eventually. BE NICE. Any questions lemme know. There's a bunch more things that are more specific, influencing action, angle shots, verbalizing your action, playing in turn, and what constitutes a raise or call in certain situations. Every room has their own house rules, so if you're not sure ask the dealer.
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SubnormalityStairs posted:Hoo boy are you in luck. I work as a game dev manager for a company that develops gaming products. My team in particular builds (primarily) casino games for electronic gaming machines (EGMs). Why was that guy that programmed slots to pay out after a particular combination of buttons presses Dumb enough to get caught
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Earlier in November this online sportsbook offered me $200 in freeplay money. I spun it up to $6000 playing blackjack but I don't think I'm going to see any of that money because the sportsbook is very likely insolvent. Feels bad man.
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I worked (very) briefly as security on a casino boat years back. Gambling was illegal in town, but it only took an hour to get into international waters. I ran the metal detector and carry-on inspection before boarding, and after that it was just baby sitting. I never had anything too crazy at boarding... just some guy who tried to smuggle rum in his water bottle. It tipped over after I moved it onto the inspection table and then everything smelled like coconut. No dice. I did hear on a night that I wasn't working a passenger asked if the security check meant that he couldn't bring his gun with him. People usually forgot they had pocket knives on them, or ladies with pepper spray. We had some old veterans that always set off the metal detector, and one guy joked that all his shrapnel said "Made in Korea" on it. All I did on board was follow the maintenance guy around as he emptied out the slot machines when they got full. Also served as an extra body during payouts, which were done on the spot after a jackpot was hit. The final parts of duty were making sure everyone was off the ship when we got back to port, and then watching the dealers count out the final take for the day in the cash room. We weren't allowed to say anything more than "check" if a dealer dumped their cash box and there were still bills or something stuck inside it. It was a choreographed dance of: dump cash box on table, show box to the guards and cameras, flip hands, count the money, record everything, flip hands again. I got to see half a million dollars in cash with my own eyes, but no touching. If you ever go on a casino boat for the love of god pace yourselves. It's a long, boring boat ride if you go broke in the first hour. There was an ATM on board, but once out in the water they could charge whatever exorbitant fees they wanted. Don't fall for it.
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Noblesse Obliged posted:Maybe I'm weird but the constant noise in a casino makes my teeth itch in a figurative way. Can't stand hearing the inside of one. I remember hearing that casino games used the key of C, because you can create happy winning melodies and sad loser melodies without changing the key. SubStairs, what regulation is the biggest pain in the rear end to comply with? What is the process like for creating a game with verifiably zero flaws? What are some infamous flaws that did get through?
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much more poker focused but on of the deepest dive degen threads ive ever read https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/54/poker-beats-brags-variance/story-quot-home-game-quot-tl-dr-1628196/
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First of May posted:SubStairs, what regulation is the biggest pain in the rear end to comply with? What is the process like for creating a game with verifiably zero flaws? What are some infamous flaws that did get through? I worked in the field for a couple of years and one of the greatest concerns was the IP portfolios held by rival gaming companies. Pretty much every conceivable game variation, sidebet, and progressive scheme has been patented and will be aggressively defended. One of my colleagues was even arrested and detained for a couple of days while attending a tradeshow in Macau as part of a particularly nasty licensing dispute.
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