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for those in the industry or those who otherwise spend a lot of time there, what do the worst loss freakouts look like? I'm assuming there's no shortage of freakouts from people who go broke trying to chase a massive loss and now they're for sure losing their home. How does the casino handle those types, especially if they're longtime forms of income for them?
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buglord posted:for those in the industry or those who otherwise spend a lot of time there, what do the worst loss freakouts look like? I'm assuming there's no shortage of freakouts from people who go broke trying to chase a massive loss and now they're for sure losing their home. How does the casino handle those types, especially if they're longtime forms of income for them? Gambling addicts don't usually physically freak out too much from my experience (two years as hotel/casino security). They will sometimes ask to be "self excluded" after losing huge but it's like they have lost all emotions usually. It's the drunks that make a scene.
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UnfortunateSexFart posted:Gambling addicts don't usually physically freak out too much from my experience (two years as hotel/casino security). They will sometimes ask to be "self excluded" after losing huge but it's like they have lost all emotions usually. Yeah they just get sad but arent gonna go wild, dont wanna get kicked out, the ATM is only a few feet away.
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I guess I had high expectations for monumental freakouts because when I worked retail at an office supply store I got a lady to punch herself in front of me and pull her hair out for telling her no to a thing that was valued no more than $3. I figured freakouts would have been exponentially more insane with things of actual value on the line.
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Dec 12, 2019 22:58
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Every degenerate I've ever seen has gone all pale, quiet and starey eyed when they've Proper hosed It. Like they're concussed or something.
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It's always the drunks that cause the scene. Gambling addicts fear being blackballed because they won't be able to gamble anymore. so like the other posters said they just sit there and stare into the abyss wondering how they are gonna dig themselves out of the hole. I know gambling can be an addiction and I am sure I am horrible person but I never feel sorry for those guys. I don't know why either because if they were addicted to any substance or anything else I would feel sympathy but gambling addicts are numb to me. It might be something I have basically taught myself to not feel sympathy for them so I won't make bad decisions when I gamble with one.
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buglord posted:for those in the industry or those who otherwise spend a lot of time there, what do the worst loss freakouts look like? I'm assuming there's no shortage of freakouts from people who go broke trying to chase a massive loss and now they're for sure losing their home. How does the casino handle those types, especially if they're longtime forms of income for them? As has been said before, apart from that one guy, (who to be honest didn't lose all that much), I have seen people lose thousands of dollars over hours of continual play, and seen nothing more than a resigned shrug. Much the same as I have seen people end up with more that 10,000 at the end of a session with nothing more than the same resigned shrug. Most punters, the regulars and the gambling addicts at least, don't seem to show much emotion or life. It's the Friday/Saturday night partygoers/tourists that are emotive. They whoop and holler as they win a $50 bet on Red, or mope when their $20 blackjack hand gets beaten. But these people don't win or lose much. They play for an hour or two, win enough to go somewhere else and continue partying, or lose enough so that it's not fun anymore and so move on with their lives. The actual denizens of a casino, (employees included), are generally too beaten down and mired in depression to show signs of life/excitement. jase1 posted:I know gambling can be an addiction and I am sure I am horrible person but I never feel sorry for those guys. I don't know why either because if they were addicted to any substance or anything else I would feel sympathy but gambling addicts are numb to me. It might be something I have basically taught myself to not feel sympathy for them so I won't make bad decisions when I gamble with one. As a dealer you go through something similar. When you start working, you feel sorry for all the people throwing money at you, and the sadness of their lives that make them feel like playing $5 Roulette at 3AM on a Tuesday is something they would rather be doing than be at home. Then you deal with all the low level abuse/blame/vitriol that comes with being a dealer, and you feel less sorry for them. Especially when you see them ignore several chances to walk out the door ahead. Next you are actually irritated by their very presence. I never dealt poker, but all the poker people are saying how boring/annoying hearing strangers bad beat stories are, try listening to somebody tell you bad Blackjack beat stories, or stories of how the ball bounced out of their number on roulette etc. And hearing those stories nightly. And finally, as you say, you become numb to it all. You just want them to go away so you can get through your shift in peace. I know this is bad, and is blaming the addict for their addiction, which is a bad thing to do. But it happens to most dealers I know. And it is the main reason I am so so happy I don't do that kind of work anymore. It is a soul destroying profession, where you work for an evil millionaire, you work with arseholes, and you work/deal to scum.
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Dec 13, 2019 01:03
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buglord posted:for those in the industry or those who otherwise spend a lot of time there, what do the worst loss freakouts look like? I'm assuming there's no shortage of freakouts from people who go broke trying to chase a massive loss and now they're for sure losing their home. How does the casino handle those types, especially if they're longtime forms of income for them? I dont play slots or table games, so Ive never really seen anyone freak out much in the casino proper (except bitchy blackjack players yelling at people for taking their cards and playing wrong). Mostly its just zombies mashing max bet on Willy wonky machines or the buffalo slots and glaring at you if you get to close to their machines. The worst thing I ever saw was probably the 25 or 26 year old guy bawling his eyes out on the garage elevator because he just blew 15 grand on blackjack, after he had blown 10 grand the night before and his wife threatened to leave him if he didnt stop. Full on ugly crying too, snot bubbles and sobs. I felt bad for the guy, I mean he pretty obviously had a problem, but what could anyone do for him? I suggested he self ban, and call the gambler addiction 800 number the casino has posted all over the place to ask for help. My guess is he did neither; instead he probably came back the next day and took out a line of credit with the casino so he could win back his loses.
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Oswald Kesselpot posted:I dont play slots or table games, so Ive never really seen anyone freak out much in the casino proper (except bitchy blackjack players yelling at people for taking their cards and playing wrong). Mostly its just zombies mashing max bet on Willy wonky machines or the buffalo slots and glaring at you if you get to close to their machines. The worst thing I ever saw was probably the 25 or 26 year old guy bawling his eyes out on the garage elevator because he just blew 15 grand on blackjack, after he had blown 10 grand the night before and his wife threatened to leave him if he didnt stop. Full on ugly crying too, snot bubbles and sobs. I wonder what percentage of players bring in the most money to the casinos. Is it mostly funded by whales? Kinda like how Candy Crush makes some money from the millions that play it and put in the occasional  .... but the bulk of their money comes from the few that are all  with it?
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jase1 posted:They changed the name of that thread to bet on MMA the Jase won thread after I won around 30k on MMA. I think it was a Robbie Lawler fight which oddly enough I met him awhile ago and talk about that very thread and how my wife thanked him for the new shoes I bought with my winnings. I started off in that thread being mocked because I was just getting into betting on MMA and then they all had to eat poo poo because I ended up winning a decent amount. That was a fun roller coaster. I was #1 on some Facebook MMA no-money betting app back when the site still had that kind of functionality, and I still knew better than to put real money into it even after I went 9/10 with 7 called finishes and rounds one night. If I knew someone or their camp it was really hard to not get hyped for (or against) them. Shumagorath fucked around with this message at 02:58 on Dec 13, 2019 |
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I think on these very message boards I saw someone say there is nothing more boring than stories about being high, gambling, and one other thing I cant recall and that rings pretty true. But people like jase have genuinely entertaining stories imo, for the most part nobody loving cares about how you only missed 1 number on a big scratcher or whatever.
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Shumagorath posted:Based on your retelling of the card game robbery I think you have exactly the right personality for betting on MMA and probably fighting it. Most people get too emotional and do stuff like bet on Mark Coleman well into his 40's and having to piss clean. How does it work if a fighter wins or loses and then gets caught with dirty piss? Are wins deducted from the winners/reimbursed to losers?
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Tetramin posted:I think on these very message boards I saw someone say there is nothing more boring than stories about being high, gambling, and one other thing I cant recall and that rings pretty true. But people like jase have genuinely entertaining stories imo, for the most part nobody loving cares about how you only missed 1 number on a big scratcher or whatever. Tetramin posted:How does it work if a fighter wins or loses and then gets caught with dirty piss? Are wins deducted from the winners/reimbursed to losers? Some of that might be a mix of old and new because I haven't read the rules in a long time, but getting caught doping is severely career-limiting now for everyone but Jon Jones. Edit: I realise you might have been asking about the betting system and I don't think any changes were ever made for doping. Shumagorath fucked around with this message at 02:59 on Dec 13, 2019 |
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buglord posted:Big yikes. I didn't know you could do a self ban. And Id guess slots is where the casino makes most of its profit. From the people that play hours on end, statistically losing all their money 5 or 7% a day. Someday they are gonna hit that jackpot though! After all, they are due. Table games are undoubtedly profitable too (everything in the casino is, or it wouldnt be in the casino after all), but table games close down while slots are always open and seem to have people in front of them more often than not. We just got sports betting in PA, but judging by the lines I see at the betting machines Im guessing they will be cleaning up on that as well. A
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Shumagorath posted:One time I thought I saw the McDonald's Monopoly Boardwalk sticker buried in urinal ice, and decided that the shot at a million dollars wasn't worth it being another Park Place and having to live with myself. This is definitely interesting but yeah I was wondering what happens to the people gambling on a match. I agree the most reasonable answer is get hosed idiots to everyone, especially if theyre betting with a real life bookie.
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Tetramin posted:I also am not sure why you’d be starting new accounts, the site I play on doesn’t have any sort of like, ELO or anything so you’re always with the same player base. Your friends whole story doesn’t make any sense to me but who knows. I have no idea. Maybe Canada has different laws or regulations with online poker, or maybe he was full of poo poo. I watched him clear $800 in a night once and that's when he told me that he had to do the multiple accounts stuff because his stats would put him in a higher tier so that he wasn't forever curb-stomping newbies and driving them to other sites. Seems like a lot of work if he didn't have to.
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Blistex posted:I have no idea. Maybe Canada has different laws or regulations with online poker, or maybe he was full of poo poo. I watched him clear $800 in a night once and that's when he told me that he had to do the multiple accounts stuff because his stats would put him in a higher tier so that he wasn't forever curb-stomping newbies and driving them to other sites. Seems like a lot of work if he didn't have to.
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Shumagorath posted:Regular online gaming has problems with smurfing so it doesn't surprise me that services with actual money have it way worse. The only reason to smurf would be to throw people using poker HUDs off so they cant track your play style. Otherwise you can select your tables and even follow the fish around table to table. Bovada is the only site I know of where you cant choose tables anymore.
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I went to Vegas once for 5 nights. My wife went to bed around midnight and I was off exploring the strip. At about 230am I got a craps table at the Cosmopolitan with 300$. An hour later I walked away with 1200$
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Mourne posted:I went to Vegas once for 5 nights. My wife went to bed around midnight and I was off exploring the strip. At about 230am I got a craps table at the Cosmopolitan with 300$. An hour later I walked away with 1200$ how much did you lose the other 4 nights
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So I spent 6 or 7 years in the Casino industry in just about every position from Security to Dealer to Manager, even did a thread on it years ago, and though I thankfully left years ago due to, as many people in this thread put it Its a soul sucking job I have many stories to relate, so Ill break those down over several posts and try to keep them categorized like the uber nerd I am. Ill start with my favorite game to deal and play: Craps Craps Craps is probably my favorite game to deal and play because it feels like a team sport; when you win, everyone wins, and it can get loving wild if someone is on a hot roll. Hear 20 people cheer at once in a casino and it isnt in the sportsbook, they are all playing the same craps table. But the best part isnt the game, its the dealers and the players. Ill probably go over how to play smart if anyone gives a poo poo later but for now the stories. If it sounds like I am overexplaining poo poo its because some people in this thread may not know all the terms and workings of casino games. For dealers, its a complex rear end game to deal and it takes years to become super proficient to the point you can handle having 10 players yell bets at you at the same time. I had a brief stint in Vegas but spent most of my time working in Black Hawk, Colorado (no Native casinos here, they are all corporate) and the best dealers I dealt with worked there because so many came from other states they dealt in and had stories and personalities to match. One guy dealt in Detroit which he said is loving batshit in comparison to the quiet mountain casinos we work in. He said on any given night his table would be full of hookers, pimps, drug addicts, drug dealers, millionaires and deadbeats. He taught me how to tell what drugs people were on based upon their appearance and mannerisms. He said someone shot themselves in the head on a table, and two hours later after they had removed the body and cleaned the blood off the railing around the table they re-opened the table. In Detroit, you cant give two shits about anyone because the tables are ruthless; you had to be sharp to watch for cheaters (mostly late bettors) and people who would try to snatch other peoples chips, which was quite common. His last name was Crowley so I would sing the first part of Ozzy Osbournes Mr Crowley to piss him off. We had another dealer from Detroit who was fired, was an older guy, because he told a black couple who innocently tried to late bet (they were new to the game) to keep their cotton-picking hands out of the game. I learned inappropriate stickman callouts from my time in Vegas: 9, its a niner in the vaginer Hard 10: A girls best friend poo poo like that. Unfortunately Craps was my downfall (or maybe a blessing in disguise) as I was fired because of a dumb stunt other dealers tried. When I was a boxman (the guy sitting in front of all the chips watching the game and handling incoming money) some dealers from Albuquerque were running a scam where they would add chips from the working stacks (the stacks in front of them that they use to pay players) into their tips when someone threw them a tip. I would them (as was my job) drop the money in the tip can for them. I had no idea it was going on but surveillance was watching and we had Division of Gaming call each of us into the office the next day and explain it. That poo poo is nerve-wracking by the way as they take theft done by dealers very, very loving serious. I was exonerated because I was just doing my job and didnt realize what they were doing but to set an example the Casino fired a shitload of dealers even ones not involved and managers ( this can be quite common when dealers are found to be stealing especially in Vegas as a deterrent to management to watch the dealers closer like were loving magicians or something and to other dealers to make them want to snitch if they suspect something is up). Most casinos in town refused to hire anyone fired from the casino, involved or not. Later I learned the total I had dropped unsuspectingly that I shouldnt was, I poo poo you not, $15. The dealers involved went to jail (I dont know how long), a dozen people got fired, and I got blacklisted from most casinos in that town over fifteen loving dollars. One of the managers who was fired and was a tough guy from Brooklyn (I swear he was former mob) wanted to find those dealers and break their shins. I could only get a job in a shithole casino I left after two weeks because the tips were poo poo and a major slot fiasco happened that I will go over later. Next Ill bitch about some of the players at the craps game.
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buglord posted:Big yikes. I didn't know you could do a self ban. Harrahs at one point made 6% of their gambling income off one single guy. They created a special rewards tier for him where they pay for private jets to deliver him to their casinos and just flat out hand him back 15% of his losses. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ce...e-year/%3famp=1
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TurboFlamingChicken posted:
Looking forward to more of your stories, but yes, this too please. I like Craps, but gently caress there's a lot going on
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TurboFlamingChicken posted:So I spent 6 or 7 years in the Casino industry in just about every position from Security to Dealer to Manager, even did a thread on it years ago, and though I thankfully left years ago due to, as many people in this thread put it Its a soul sucking job I have many stories to relate, so Ill break those down over several posts and try to keep them categorized like the uber nerd I am. What a fantastic post. I worked in IT for a giant casino (we dealt with all tech in the place aside from "slot techs". It was an absolute misery.
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Ive no clue how to play Craps so this and more stories please
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bird with big dick posted:Harrah’s at one point made 6% of their gambling income off one single guy. Yeah the casino I worked at was almost entirely funded by a small amount of Chinese multi-millionaires who were flown across the Pacific and wined and dined. It was pretty disgusting. Part of my job was bringing chips from the vault to VIP rooms and $500k at a time wasn't unusual. Then British Columbia elected a left-leaning government that cracked down on money laundering and the casino started losing $100 million per year. They forced whales to prove their income which of course scared off all the Chinese players. We even blocked Drake from taking out what he wanted because he couldn't prove his income, despite staying at the hotel for his concert appearances in town. He of course went on Instagram and accused us of being racist, and the casino was review bombed by Drake fans. The review bombers assumed it was white people being racist but like 90% of the staff is Chinese too. Fluent Mandarin was mandatory for most roles.
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Im strictly a dont pass player and field player. Its amazing how upset people get when you show up to a hot table and start betting the dont pass. I love every second of it. I also always pass the dice and never roll. I live in Florida now and cant find craps anywhere but in Cleveland that game was loving wild. I was at a craps table with J.R. Smith from the Cavs, a super well respected lawyer that made him famous from his commercials and like 4 drug dealers and 2 old pimps who were basically retired. That table was loving wild and Ill never forget how much fun we had. One thing I saw happen at a casino and I wondered if any casino industry people have tales the same. A dealer at a roulette table paid a guy 200 extra by mistake. The dealer and the player did not know the mistake was made. The player continued to gamble all of his money until it was gone, security shows up and says a mistake was made and the player owes them 200 because of the mistake. The player says Im broke and gave it all back and they arrested him. Now Im not sure what happened after that because the back roomed him but it was legit Cleveland cops who cuffed him. Is that legal? I figured if the casino made the mistake too bad so sad.
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I just wish I could bet on horse racing online in Georgia. My favorite thing to do when I visit Cali is head to the races and bet like 2 dollars to win on every race while enjoying beer and weed vape with my brothers. But I don't care how lovely the gambling site I have found is, as soon as I put in my Georgia address, they say NOPE!Disgusting Coward posted:Every degenerate I've ever seen has gone all pale, quiet and starey eyed when they've Proper hosed It. Like they're concussed or something. Wow. I guess Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Barrels got it pretty much right, then. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56jekYL2h7k The Dregs fucked around with this message at 14:19 on Dec 13, 2019 |
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jase1 posted:Im strictly a dont pass player and field player. Its amazing how upset people get when you show up to a hot table and start betting the dont pass. I love every second of it. I also always pass the dice and never roll. Never saw anybody get arrested, but I have seen security show up and say "a mistake was made 3 spins ago, and we need you to give X amount of chips back". But on the odd occasions that happened, it was the Supervisors fault as well as the dealers, because we had to get payouts of more that $500, or 105 chips, (whichever it was), approved before we could pass them out. Which made for a hectic night for Supervisors if they had more than 1 big game going on different tables. It also pretty much shows that the "we don't have footage of you being assaulted" was a loving lie. Coz if you notice when a dealer makes a slight maths mistake, but not when a punter has a dealer by the neck then you can get hosed. What? It was 15 years ago, no I'm not still bitter.
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When I was in my teens I won $32000 betting on crazy baseball parlays. I lost it all except 5k which I gave to my dad for a new roof. 
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Salt Fish posted:it's crazy how fast a slot machine eats money at 50 euros a pull. reminds me of a story from a while ago, I sat at a slot machine, put $100 in and wound up chatting up a cute girl next to me. as a result I got distracted and kept accidentally hitting "max bet' which I believe was $9.90. anyway I must have hit something because when I checked I was up to $350. I continue the conversation and start 'getting somewhere' so to speak and as a result I wind up accidentally hitting 'max bet' over and over AGAIN, and this time it doesn't go well, after like 3-4 minutes I'm down to like $80 without knowing what happened. yes there was alcohol involved. no I did not ever see the girl again. Shumagorath posted:There's only been one fight I ever felt 100% sure of and I was too young to find a bookie. Don't Bet On MMA. I was very very sure about the Mayweather/MacGregor boxing match, when it opened at Mayweather +300 I immediately thought of doing one of those bridge jumper bets but chickened out. When I finally convinced myself that MacGregor had 0 shot whatsoever the line had moved to +1500. oh well TurboFlamingChicken posted:Craps my uh 'strategy' is pass line, back 5x, then bet some or all of the numbers up top. you can get your rear end handed to you very quickly but it's super fun when you get those rolls where they hit 2+ points and a bunch of stuff in between. idk if this is smart or not though. jase1 posted:One thing I saw happen at a casino and I wondered if any casino industry people have tales the same. A dealer at a roulette table paid a guy 200 extra by mistake. The dealer and the player did not know the mistake was made. The player continued to gamble all of his money until it was gone, security shows up and says a mistake was made and the player owes them 200 because of the mistake. The player says Im broke and gave it all back and they arrested him. Now Im not sure what happened after that because the back roomed him but it was legit Cleveland cops who cuffed him. I doubt this is legal but yeah this stuff is weird one thing I've seen happen several times in games like ultimate hold 'em or 4-card is that the dealer will misread their hand, like they won't realize they have a straight or a flush or they'll screw up the kicker, which sometimes wrongfully awards a win to a player who shouldn't have won. I never point this out because I'd feel like an absolute dick for doing so but I do feel bad for the dealers if someone's gonna review the tape and get them in trouble. idk if that happens though
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JAMOOOL posted:
Stuff like this happens even on big-timey televised games, including this years WSOP https://youtu.be/rbVn8KkpJu0 I feel bad for the dealer but human error is always going to be a thing lest we get robodealers or everyone just plays online and only online
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I put 50k on mayweather when he went down to -357, it's posted somewhere on the forums here, it's still the single largest bet I ever placed and it was free money. I wanted to put my whole bankroll on it but my bookie refused and plus my wife wouldn't allow it either. I negotiated so hard to make that 50k bet with my wife's approval but she just kept repeating all my own bullshit to me, nothing is a lock there is always a chance to lose but in the end, we agreed on 50k. At one point I was thinking about flying to vegas and putting my whole bankroll on it and if I wasn't married I absolutely would have done it. I lost money on Manny Paquio's first loss that was a fun night.
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TurboFlamingChicken posted:Craps I love Craps - doesn't it basically boil down to "only ever play dark side/don't pass and always take max odds on your don't pass bet after the comeout roll"? Also, please confirm my suspicions that dice control is basically just a way to annoy other people at the table by taking a really long time to set up a roll, or is it one of those things where people will get pissed at you for stupid reasons if you don't do it, sort of like "yOu ToOk mY cArD@@@!!" in blackjack?
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Also I would appreciate any gambling movies yall would recommend. Rounders is a really silly film but its a lot of fun. Hold em really lends itself well to the screen because of all of the tense moments and dramatic reveals that ensue. Makes Casino Royale a solid movie as well.
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Earth Table posted:Also I would appreciate any gambling movies yall would recommend. Owning Mahowny is a great film about gambling addiction and it's based on a true story. The sting is my favorite of all time but that's probably because it was my first gambling film shown to me by my uncles. Cincinnati kid Color of money The Hustler The cooler two for the money isn't the greatest film but it has some interesting sports booking moments Lucky you is pretty good because it's backdrop is the WSOP The Grand is a lot of fun. Diggstown is great because it's a bunch of con men hustling each other Molly's game is great if you want to see how Toby Maguire acted in real life. (hint hint he was a piece of poo poo) Runner Runner is a terrible online poker movie but it has some interesting takes on online poker and the shady poo poo that went down. I am sure I will think of more but that's all I have for now.
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The Gambler with Mark Wahlberg is actually pretty decent, John Goodmans gently caress you monologue is extremely good and true
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