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Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

The Chicago political machine under Richard J. Daley was the most communist institution in US history

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HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

Pomp posted:

This makes sense if words don't mean things

Communism is basically just a synonym for totalitarianism I guess. Makes sense if you don’t think about it.

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

OpenSourceBurger posted:

I will never understand having so little personality that you get angry over people enjoying entertainment in a way you don't.

People out there stealing Call of Duty valor

Algund Eenboom
May 4, 2014


What exactly about this is incorrect

DACK FAYDEN
Feb 25, 2013

Bear Witness

xrunner posted:

Communism is basically just a synonym for totalitarianism I guess. Makes sense if you don’t think about it.
It seems like it might be an argument that would convince the people that it is (probably?) trying to convince, even if it's factually false in every way. So I guess it should get half a point for trying.

Mr. Lobe
Feb 23, 2007

... Dry bones...


Algund Eenboom posted:

What exactly about this is incorrect

it paints the entirety of the indigenous population in broad, patronizing strokes of mythology. plenty of indigenous people in the Americas had destructive relationships with their environments. slash and burn farming was a fairly common practice among agricultural civilizations, for instance. obviously it's nothing in comparison to what industrialized methods of exploiting the land would ultimately accomplish, but it's not like the indigenous people didn't have industrialization because of the purity of their souls.

HashtagGirlboss
Jan 4, 2005

DACK FAYDEN posted:

It seems like it might be an argument that would convince the people that it is (probably?) trying to convince, even if it's factually false in every way. So I guess it should get half a point for trying.

Yeah there's a broad swath of boomers who associate communism entirely with Soviet Union as understood by US media in 1960s/70s. They mostly just associate the word with totalitarian governments and don't even think really hard about the economic stuff. Also see that hot take from a couple months ago about Trump being the most Marxist president, and the classic "Nazis are communists they have socialism right in the name."

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

Algund Eenboom posted:

What exactly about this is incorrect

They didn’t eat that much meat.

Algund Eenboom
May 4, 2014

Mr. Lobe posted:

it paints the entirety of the indigenous population in broad, patronizing strokes of mythology. plenty of indigenous people in the Americas had destructive relationships with their environments. slash and burn farming was a fairly common practice among agricultural civilizations, for instance. obviously it's nothing in comparison to what industrialized methods of exploiting the land would ultimately accomplish, but it's not like the indigenous people didn't have industrialization because of the purity of their souls.

All of those things are true, but industrial capitalism is the only economic ideology to threaten the planet existentially, which i think is the most important part of the tweet, and the guys main point

Tulip
Jun 3, 2008

yeah thats pretty good


Platystemon posted:

They didn’t eat that much meat.

The extraordinary lengths Americans will go to in their quest to make all-bacon diets not merely acceptable but morally righteous is one of their most distinctive features and cuts across political lines.

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

Mr. Lobe posted:

obviously it's nothing in comparison to what industrialized methods of exploiting the land would ultimately accomplish

correct, it was nothing in comparison with industrial farming.

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Pomp
Apr 3, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

Capitalism sells class signifiers for well-off morons, socialism provides needed services???

Koishi Komeiji
Mar 30, 2003



Comrade Carvey is right, capitalism is like a giant tacky store that sells over-priced fisher price toys to gullible idiots. Socialism is like a government entity that ensures public safety.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!
my department of motor vehicles rules.

very fast and actually decently maintained

A Wizard of Goatse
Dec 14, 2014

my DMV is kinda a dump and there's no Apple store within like 50 miles. If only the same could be said for capitalism.

thicc_waluigi
Jan 5, 2019


https://mobile.twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1212131644951261184

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
this one goes some places

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

https://twitter.com/jacobinmag/status/1212116215751049217?s=20

Shalebridge Cradle
Apr 23, 2008



the Philadelphia understander has logged on

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

Platystemon posted:

They didn’t eat that much meat.

Ah, the Inuits and their vast corn fields.

Also many, if not most North American natives ate a diet that was extremely reliant on meat and especially animal fat

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

steinrokkan posted:

Ah, the Inuits and their vast corn fields.

Also many, if not most North American natives ate a diet that was extremely reliant on meat and especially animal fat

Yes, the people of the Americas had extremely diverse diets, suited to local conditions.

Isn’t that an argument against “indigenous people ate hella meat & we could too if we were just like them”?

Tulip
Jun 3, 2008

yeah thats pretty good


steinrokkan posted:

Ah, the Inuits and their vast corn fields.

Also many, if not most North American natives ate a diet that was extremely reliant on meat and especially animal fat

This is a really, really great example of being able to have two related facts very close together but not actually having them in conversation.

Ugato
Apr 9, 2009

We're not?

Algund Eenboom posted:

What exactly about this is incorrect

without enhancements that have been developed along the way we wouldn’t have enough people on the planet to justify the level of consumption we have today.

that’s not to say only white people could have come up with them, or whatever other bs people might think, but there’s also no reason to believe the development trajectory wouldn’t be at least similar since a lot of choices are based on available resources. And effort vs reward would likely still be a driver even if we were implying that greed would be an impossibility

mass production and industrialization without responsibility are the problems and it’s difficult to extrapolate what indigenous peoples would become when most of them didn’t have the chance to develop before being colonized

it’s very much noble savage type of stuff because the comparison in this manner implies they would do better**. the most we know is white people throughout history really enjoy thinking they’re the hottest poo poo around and have no qualms murdering people to prove it to themselves

industrial capitalism is the only version of massive industry* we’ve had, so that’s the opposite side of the same argument

* of fully developed nations... and ones not at war I guess

** I guess worth noting here that I mean avoiding pitfalls like hoarding resources still when all your needs are actually met just fine. it’s hard to go from always looking to survive (which every race has gone through) to having well more than enough and losing the habit of trying to hoard resources, and everything that sort of spills out of that

Ugato has issued a correction as of 06:06 on Jan 2, 2020

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

CharlestheHammer posted:

my department of motor vehicles rules.

very fast and actually decently maintained

Extremely same.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
DMV jokes seem to be a Boomer thing that no one else really cares about.

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS
Apple is the worst company to buy from, or was before Tesla got creative.

“Make an appointment for next month so you can give us three thousand dollars for a laptop.”

The DMV has many excuses for poor service. Apple has none.

Minecraft Holmes
Oct 21, 2016

Ghost Leviathan posted:

DMV jokes seem to be a Boomer thing that no one else really cares about.

Imagine bitching about the service at the DMV or the post office while also being a customer of any ISP

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

Minecraft Holmes posted:

Imagine bitching about the service at the DMV or the post office while also being a customer of any ISP

Or cable companies.

Ytlaya
Nov 13, 2005


I feel like this article is overcomplicating something that is better described as the natural result of the market for comics decreasing to the extent that they can only be sold for high prices as a relatively niche product (which in turns makes the primary audience middle class).

It also doesn't help that, as it briefly mentions, Japanese manga are now widely imported/translated, and the manga industry is frankly way more "developed" to an extent where Western comics can't really compete in the domain of "serialized titles aimed primarily to entertain with stories of action, romance, etc."

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
Western comics used to be before censorship wiped out everything but capes, and never recovered.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/Lexialex/status/1212526512139898881

spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle

Platystemon posted:

Apple is the worst company to buy from, or was before Tesla got creative.

“Make an appointment for next month so you can give us three thousand dollars for a laptop.”

The DMV has many excuses for poor service. Apple has none.

my DMV has long lines but they let you enter the line online and they'll text you when you're 30 minutes from being helped so you can drive and show up to the DMV and only wait 5 minutes.

I think 10 minutes might be the longest Ive had to wait at my DMV

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

I read this and as the resident Comic Book Girl there's like four points where you could start to make an argument and they just swerve off into dipshit town

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

Ytlaya posted:

I feel like this article is overcomplicating something that is better described as the natural result of the market for comics decreasing to the extent that they can only be sold for high prices as a relatively niche product (which in turns makes the primary audience middle class).

It also doesn't help that, as it briefly mentions, Japanese manga are now widely imported/translated, and the manga industry is frankly way more "developed" to an extent where Western comics can't really compete in the domain of "serialized titles aimed primarily to entertain with stories of action, romance, etc."

Manga had a crash in the 00s and while it's recovered it's not the dominant force it was

You know what is?

Single serving graphic novels aimed at kids. Reina Telgemeir (I butchered her name) is a loving juggernaut and she writes kids novels that are also comics

If it had drilled down into low art being coopted as high art but only the right kinds you probably could have gotten something a little interesting but this is just incoherent

Edit I guess you could also talk about how there's no easy access to weekly comics like there is for manga. The marvel unlimited app gets you stuff a couple months after it hits shelves, the shonen jump and Crunchyroll manga apps have the new chapters the same day as Japan does and theyre cheaper to boot. I thinj I pay 3 bucks a month for jump and I only read it a couple times a year in big binges

BENGHAZI 2 has issued a correction as of 15:22 on Jan 2, 2020

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

Ghost Leviathan posted:

Western comics used to be before censorship wiped out everything but capes, and never recovered.

Some people will scoff at the the idea that the code was influenced by DC to help crush competition but uh

Reality disagrees, they absolutely jumped at the chance to help clean up comics and in the process kill everything that outsold capes

Tulip
Jun 3, 2008

yeah thats pretty good


Minecraft Holmes posted:

Imagine bitching about the service at the DMV or the post office while also being a customer of any ISP

DMV and USPS are the best customer service I've experienced in my life, the way rich fucks talk about it is baffling.

There's this weird thing among the privatized medicine camp where they talk about the poor customer service of public services but people regularly die because their healthcare provider gives them the run around for 6 months for life saving treatment.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
Eliminating comics is an example why censorship is good.

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

steinrokkan posted:

Eliminating comics is an example why censorship is good.

I mean the earliest superhero comic as we think of them now was largely about beating the poo poo out of corrupt politicians and bosses and landlords

Superman rules

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Mr. Lobe
Feb 23, 2007

... Dry bones...


Tulip posted:

DMV and USPS are the best customer service I've experienced in my life, the way rich fucks talk about it is baffling.

There's this weird thing among the privatized medicine camp where they talk about the poor customer service of public services but people regularly die because their healthcare provider gives them the run around for 6 months for life saving treatment.

I think millionaires are probably used to a different standard of customer service than schmucks like us.

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