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Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

so does that literally just erase the drive when the cable is unplugged?

gee, sure is good that laptop usb ports never just, like, randomly lose a connection when gently moved or for no reason at all

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Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

Sagebrush posted:

so does that literally just erase the drive when the cable is unplugged?

gee, sure is good that laptop usb ports never just, like, randomly lose a connection when gently moved or for no reason at all

well it's a udev rule so it does whatever you want when the cable is unplugged

assuming it works, and as with most things linux you'll just have to trust it to work the way you intended

Carthag Tuek
Oct 15, 2005

Tider skal komme,
tider skal henrulle,
slægt skal følge slægters gang



i just had some hackers turn my usb into a bomb!! for free

taqueso
Mar 8, 2004


:911:
:wookie: :thermidor: :wookie:
:dehumanize:

:pirate::hf::tinfoil:

Krankenstyle posted:

i just had some hackers turn my usb into a bomb!! for free

awesome thing is, they even camouflaged my brand new macbook to look like an older dell so it's not a target for thieves. They did a great job, if I didn't know better I'd swear it's a real inspiron. OS swap and everything, runs older games through the emulation just fine.

Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

Vehicular Manslaughter!

Pillbug

Sagebrush posted:

so does that literally just erase the drive when the cable is unplugged?

gee, sure is good that laptop usb ports never just, like, randomly lose a connection when gently moved or for no reason at all

rebooting (and flushing the FDE keys out of ram) would basically do the same thing but non-destructively

Raere posted:

if you have a "security critical" laptop, it shouldnt be in places where people can steal it from you, hth

ross ulbricht’s big fuckup wasn’t using his security critical laptop in a public place, it was being on-call, reliable, and continuing to be in US jurisdiction after he loving talked to feds about Silk Road on his doorstep

now imagine instead of a guy running a murder for hire brokerage it’s a whistleblower like chelsea manning; for some kinds of “security critical” a public place is very good

Perplx
Jun 26, 2004


Best viewed on Orgasma Plasma
Lipstick Apathy
the best secure public laptop I can come up with would run the OS in ram only and use facial recognition to constantly auth the user and reboot if it’s been too long

ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

Perplx posted:

the best secure public laptop I can come up with would run the OS in ram only and use facial recognition to constantly auth the user and reboot if it’s been too long

if it uses facial recognition to unlock couldnt you just point the laptop at the guy you have in custody?

pseudorandom name
May 6, 2007

only use the lack of face to lock/erase/etc.

Adhemar
Jan 21, 2004

Kellner, da ist ein scheussliches Biest in meiner Suppe.

LastInLine posted:

if it uses facial recognition to unlock couldnt you just point the laptop at the guy you have in custody?

Program it so a special facial expression wipes the laptop. I suggest tongue sticking out.

~Coxy
Dec 9, 2003

R.I.P. Inter-OS Sass - b.2000AD d.2003AD
the Supreme Court have ruled that the police can forcibly extract your tongue with pliers

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

c-spam cannot afford



Cocoa Crispies posted:

rebooting (and flushing the FDE keys out of ram) would basically do the same thing but non-destructively


ross ulbricht’s big fuckup wasn’t using his security critical laptop in a public place, it was being on-call, reliable, and continuing to be in US jurisdiction after he loving talked to feds about Silk Road on his doorstep

now imagine instead of a guy running a murder for hire brokerage it’s a whistleblower like chelsea manning; for some kinds of “security critical” a public place is very good

chelsea manning was not a whistle blower. she indiscriminately dumped gigs of data without any idea of what was in it because she was pissed at her chain of command.

i’m not going to say she didn’t have a rough time in the army, because she did. it was not a good place for her, and she struggled from the start. the army is a lovely place that does horrible things to people.

whistleblowers, though, raise specific problems such as snowden and the nsa. all she did was just log onto secure systems and gave it all to assange.

she also wasn’t doing this in a public place. this was while deployed to iraq.

e: the fact that there happened to be some bad poo poo in what she dumped is just retroactive justification. she didn't care about what she was dumping. i am in no way trying to defend the horrible poo poo the usa does, and all of that should be exposed. that wasn't chelsea's goal at the time, though.

Mr. Nice! fucked around with this message at 13:47 on Jan 3, 2020

evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003

Mr. Nice! posted:

is there a use case for that type of device that isn't running silkroad from public libraries or child porn?
if you can run stuff it on BT instead, sure. Plenty of places (like the US border) you don't want your laptop exiting direct custody. But the present implementation is a clear attempt at tech'ing your way out of a ulbricht opsec problem.

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

c-spam cannot afford



evil_bunnY posted:

if you can run stuff it on BT instead, sure. Plenty of places (like the US border) you don't want your laptop exiting direct custody. But the present implementation is a clear attempt at tech'ing your way out of a ulbricht opsec problem.

i hadn't actually thought about border crossings. that's an actual use case for protecting privacy because gently caress ice.

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


the solution is to not run drug sites out of a Starbucks

Wiggly Wayne DDS
Sep 11, 2010



Potato Salad posted:

the solution is to not run drug sites out of a Starbucks
oh whoops

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

Potato Salad posted:

the solution is to not run drug sites out of a Starbucks

You mean caffeine distribution centers.

haunted bong
Jun 24, 2007


Potato Salad posted:

the solution is to not run drug sites out of a Starbucks

sounds like something a cop would say

Soricidus
Oct 21, 2010
freedom-hating statist shill

Mr. Nice! posted:

chelsea manning was not a whistle blower. she indiscriminately dumped gigs of data without any idea of what was in it because she was pissed at her chain of command.

[...]

whistleblowers, though, raise specific problems such as snowden and the nsa. all she did was just log onto secure systems and gave it all to assange.

[...]

e: the fact that there happened to be some bad poo poo in what she dumped is just retroactive justification.

ah yes snowden, who carefully released documents relating to a specific wrongdoing by *checks notes* logging into secure systems and indiscriminately dumping gigs of data without any idea of what was in it and giving it all to greenwald, but it’s ok because there happened to be some bad poo poo in what he dumped?

I don’t really see much distinction, except that manning is a more sympathetic person, and snowden accidentally managed to reveal more bad things that he had no idea were in the data he leaked

Rufus Ping
Dec 27, 2006





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PleasureKevin
Jan 2, 2011

So couple apps I've recently worked on:

1. Mobile app that shows unlimited customer location data. App may be used at unattended desks and anyone can just walk up, find a name, and happily head off to assassinate someone. I suggested a second pin entry to open the app but was told but this... insufferable, cocky poo poo that "security is the users job, not ours". The username and password are stored on the device, not a token or cookie.

2. Mobile and web app that again shows thousands of people's location each and everyday, and for some reason, their phone number, email address, full name and date a a purchase. This app can be used by pretty low-level employees so all they need to do is start calling these people, tell them their transaction of X didn't go through on X date, and that they need to run their credit card again. Moreover, we're partnered with a competitor for this. So we're giving them our customers data, effectively losing a customer.

3. Another app has no authentication (yet?) and you pass an (unvalidated) IP address, email, userId, loggedIn, and half a dozen other useless data on every request. Somehow from this, security is assured. Documentation wise, there's a Swagger, but it's nothing but a long list of poorly named endpoints, "required" fields that we're later told are not required (see above), and no way to run a query because there's only one magic user ID that will return anything.

4. On the contrary, everything... everything else is guarded like a fortress. To make a Slack integration: it'll take two weeks after a request in a special Jira board. Gmail, Slack, Github, all took weeks for my first hire to get. There's VPNs for mostly any API, and they seem to change their VPN tech twice monthly. I remember I had to record a video of our app some exec couldn't get on the VPN at a tradestow. Why is there so much secrecy behind a mostly empty staging API? Likely... it's not a staging API but the real deal.They built the back-end in such a hurry that they can't duplicate it for testing, or something.

Powerful Two-Hander
Mar 10, 2004

Mods please change my name to "Tooter Skeleton" TIA.


I read half of that without looking at the poster and thought "wait did pleasurekevin get a new job?", looked up at the avatar and lol

have a pleasureable 2020

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

how did your bitcoin job go by the way

PleasureKevin
Jan 2, 2011

Soricidus posted:

ah yes snowden, who carefully released documents relating to a specific wrongdoing by *checks notes* logging into secure systems and indiscriminately dumping gigs of data without any idea of what was in it and giving it all to greenwald, but it’s ok because there happened to be some bad poo poo in what he dumped?

I don’t really see much distinction, except that manning is a more sympathetic person, and snowden accidentally managed to reveal more bad things that he had no idea were in the data he leaked

Learning the army's civilian kill count was huge, learning of the live target practice covered up by a bomb was horrifying--but further confirmation that US's accounts on Tiananmen Square protests were false--that's perhaps not something the media would choose to disclose from a trove in the following new cycles.

After all the footage of napalm, murder rape; the confessions of what led to war being bogus; the most inhumane torture; war, assassination and regime change all over the globe; spying, even on allies; not to mention the trade war with China and the creation of a new Al Qaeda in Hong Kong. I mean, dumping details on their activity can help countries defend themselves, lead to civil cases and at least keep a more accurate historical record of history's largest, most brutal empire.

To pick only a few choice headlines to blow the whistle on while withholding the truth on other crimes and corruption just seems more abetting the imperialists.

PleasureKevin
Jan 2, 2011

Shame Boy posted:

how did your bitcoin job go by the way

I haven't talked about it cause I wanted to sue. After pulling my rear end out of depression (have I?), I called around and they all wanted money just to talk about the situation. I finally just reported them to immigration authorities for human trafficking. Have not heard back.

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

PleasureKevin posted:

I haven't talked about it cause I wanted to sue.

that good huh, well at least it can't get an-

PleasureKevin posted:

After pulling my rear end out of depression (have I?), I called around and they all wanted money just to talk about the situation. I finally just reported them to immigration authorities for human trafficking. Have not heard back.

hahah holy poo poo :wtc:

Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

Vehicular Manslaughter!

Pillbug

Mr. Nice! posted:

[chelsea manning] also wasn’t doing this in a public place. this was while deployed to iraq.

use some creativity, imagine like some mckinsey partner grabbing documents from the work vpn and throwing them on tor from an sbux

accept that it is possible for people to do good things that they don't want to be implicated in

Achmed Jones
Oct 16, 2004



Cocoa Crispies posted:

accept that it is possible for people to do good things that they don't want to be implicated in

you're obviously correct but do you really think that a usb cable attached to a carabiner will help whistleblowers in a meaningful way?

Soricidus
Oct 21, 2010
freedom-hating statist shill

Achmed Jones posted:

you're obviously correct but do you really think that a usb cable attached to a carabiner will help whistleblowers in a meaningful way?

yeah. manning was caught because someone snitched on her and snowden successfully defected to that bastion of free speech and openness, russia (lol). neither would have been helped by a device that prevented them having a laptop snatched, and indeed I rather think that at the point the feds are in the same room as you reaching for your laptop, you’re probably already screwed

Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

Vehicular Manslaughter!

Pillbug

Achmed Jones posted:

you're obviously correct but do you really think that a usb cable attached to a carabiner will help whistleblowers in a meaningful way?

expect? not really. hope? sure. it's more interesting to think about than business tyrants abusing a fellow poster for sure though

Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

Vehicular Manslaughter!

Pillbug

Soricidus posted:

yeah. manning was caught because someone snitched on her and snowden successfully defected to that bastion of free speech and openness, russia (lol). neither would have been helped by a device that prevented them having a laptop snatched, and indeed I rather think that at the point the feds are in the same room as you reaching for your laptop, you’re probably already screwed

screwed comes in degrees and if ross didn't have mycrimes.txt open and image-able he might not die in federal prison

Munkeymon
Aug 14, 2003

Motherfucker's got an
armor-piercing crowbar! Rigoddamndicu𝜆ous.



Cocoa Crispies posted:

screwed comes in degrees and if ross didn't have mycrimes.txt open and image-able he might not die in federal prison

some stories do have happy endings :unsmith:

The_Franz
Aug 8, 2003

Cocoa Crispies posted:

screwed comes in degrees and if ross didn't have mycrimes.txt open and image-able he might not die in federal prison

they already knew he was doing murder for hire since the hitmen he paid were undercover agents

if it was just drugs he probably would have gotten 20 years and been out in 10

Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

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PleasureKevin posted:

I haven't talked about it cause I wanted to sue. After pulling my rear end out of depression (have I?), I called around and they all wanted money just to talk about the situation. I finally just reported them to immigration authorities for human trafficking. Have not heard back.

So wait, you wanted to try to go to civil court with literal slavers?

Is there a thread somewhere for this?

Storysmith
Dec 31, 2006

Achmed Jones posted:

you're obviously correct but do you really think that a usb cable attached to a carabiner will help whistleblowers in a meaningful way?

the makers of TAILS must think it doesn’t hurt, because pulling the liveusb triggers an immediate wipe-RAM-and-shutdown

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Rufus Ping
Dec 27, 2006





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Soricidus posted:

snowden successfully defected to that bastion of free speech and openness, russia (lol).

Presumably, assuming you're not completely retarded, you know this wasn't actually the plan, and that he was trapped in the airport transit zone for 6 weeks after the US revoked his travel documents before being granted political asylum

You will also recall this was around the same time the US state department got various European countries to deny Evo Morales' plane passage through their airspace on claims of "technical problems", forcing it to land in Austria, on the mistaken belief that he was smuggling Snowden out of their reach

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Munkeymon
Aug 14, 2003

Motherfucker's got an
armor-piercing crowbar! Rigoddamndicu𝜆ous.



The_Franz posted:

they already knew he was doing murder for hire since the hitmen he paid were undercover agents

if it was just drugs he probably would have gotten 20 years and been out in 10

one of the agents working that case was stealing bitcoin (or stealing money to buy bitcoin - can't remember) and possibly doing some other crimes, so it would have been kind of a mess to prosecute. this agent is the Carl Mark Force IV people will sometimes still namedrop in the coiner thread because just his drat name is ridiculous

endlessmonotony
Nov 4, 2009

by Fritz the Horse

Mr. Nice! posted:

i hadn't actually thought about border crossings. that's an actual use case for protecting privacy because gently caress ice.

Being used to Eastern Europe I can immediately think of half a dozen legitimate use cases for tech like this.

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

Mr. Nice! posted:

i hadn't actually thought about border crossings. that's an actual use case for protecting privacy because gently caress ice.

are we still talking about the usb thingy? because that doesnt seem effective for the boarder crossing since the device shouldnt be open and in using during customs


i have to imagine that if you're concerned about state actors (like a democracy activist in a non-democracy) you probably need something slightly more discrete than their poc. being the person in the internet cafe with a laptop attached to their belt probably would get noticed

fins
May 31, 2011

Floss Finder

Storysmith posted:

the makers of TAILS must think it doesn’t hurt, because pulling the liveusb triggers an immediate wipe-RAM-and-shutdown

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Where's the slur??

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evil_bunnY
Apr 2, 2003

Trabisnikof posted:

are we still talking about the usb thingy? because that doesnt seem effective for the boarder crossing since the device shouldnt be open and in using during customs
My dude over here's never been through customs as a non-amcit.

Storysmith posted:

the makers of TAILS must think it doesn’t hurt, because pulling the liveusb triggers an immediate wipe-RAM-and-shutdown

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the hell?

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