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Tetramin posted:Anybody got some baccarat stories or knowledge? Couple poker pros have recently been caught “edge sorting” and losing millions because the casinos caught em I believe. I’ve never played the game myself but I have been told by a ton of people that it’s like the most swingy game out there. Just imagine running up like 20 million and then losing a lawsuit to the casino lol. From the little I know about it, (which isn’t a lot, just a couple articles and table talk from other players that know as little as I do) I don’t think it was cheating. The casino provided the cards, if a patron is able to distinguish what the face of a card is because the back is not standard then that’s on the casino, especially if they cater d to his strange requests before he would agree to play.
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Oswald Kesselpot posted:Th casinos were pretty stupid there. Phil Ivey took a known edge sorter into the casino, and then before he would gamble big money he demanded that specific decks be used, and then asked the dealers to display the cards in a very specific manner so the backs were visible. What exactly did they expect was going to happen? I didn’t know he had an accomplice, but yeah lol. Anyway I believe he lost when he tried to take them to court for his winnings so apparently a casino gently caress up is on the player?
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Wikipedia article indicates that asking the dealers to take specific actions of orienting cards and using auto shufflers to preserve orientation is what got them. If they’d been passively observing they’d probably have gotten away with it.
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This thread has kind of convinced me to take my wife and kids to Vegas for vacation. Too bad the Vegas thread moves so slowly. Currently watching videos on craps. It's really byzantine.
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I had sex with a prostitute in a casino. It was nice.
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Tetramin posted:I didn’t know he had an accomplice, but yeah lol. Anyway I believe he lost when he tried to take them to court for his winnings so apparently a casino gently caress up is on the player? Ivey never denied doing it, but he said he did not think it was cheating, it was just using the casinos rules to get an advantage. Like I said, I agree with him, but unfortunately for Phil I’m not a judge.
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This thread inspired me to go looking for more weird degenerate gambler stuff. r/gambling provides some gems.
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The Dregs posted:This thread inspired me to go looking for more weird degenerate gambler stuff. r/gambling provides some gems. Lol I have a cracked phone screen, took forever to figure out what the hell the point of that picture was
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Midjack posted:Wikipedia article indicates that asking the dealers to take specific actions of orienting cards and using auto shufflers to preserve orientation is what got them. If they’d been passively observing they’d probably have gotten away with it. if he does this then they don't have an edge right? tbh I'm still on the fence as to whether or not what he did was "cheating" or not. its like...in the NFL, when a player is tackled and deliberately places the ball 2 yards ahead of the spot he was tackled, is that cheating? everything Ivey did was legal. anyway, speaking of pro players, degenerates, and pissing yourself, this is a fun story: https://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news/19851-antonio-esfandiari-dq-d-from-poker-tournament-for-peeing-in-a-bottle-under-the-table here's how it starts quote:Esfandiari and poker-playing businessman Bill Perkins had a prop bet that called for Esfandiari to lunge everywhere he went for 48 hours. The bet began on Jan. 8.
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JAMOOOL posted:if he does this then they don't have an edge right? Lol. At least he won the prop bet in the end
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For more interesting casino stories, there was an Ask/Tell thread from a guy working security at an Oklahoma tribal casino that is well worth a read: https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3859559&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=1
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JAMOOOL posted:if he does this then they don't have an edge right? It would have been a lot less of an edge. If they’d been at a table that was both using an auto shuffler and reusing decks without them asking for either, then they oriented the cards themselves before passing them back to the dealer for shuffle it would probably have been a harder case to make against them.
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I haven't even gambled that much in the past few months (like, literally -$200 across two casino trips. absolutely nothing in degen terms) but somehow one of the bigger hotels in AC got my information and I got a free two-night stay in February. Very much looking forward to getting drunk and eating overpriced steak when the boardwalk is post-apocalyptic quiet. Like the Vegas scene in Blade Runner 2049 but with slush and sleet.
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Gambling is horrible. How do you even get hooked on it? People tell me it’s not about winning or losing, it’s about the uncertainty. That sounds awful, give me some desoxyn or adderall or even booze, it’ll activate the dopamine receptors in my mesolimbic system more effectively than gambling. I’m being a sourpuss aren’t I?
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If you have never been to a)New Jersey b) a casino or c)a casino in New Jersey then this dude is all you really need to witness BROCCOLI GAHLIC CON-FIT https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1L4-U0JFNs&t=397s
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Nigmaetcetera posted:Gambling is horrible. How do you even get hooked on it? People tell me it’s not about winning or losing, it’s about the uncertainty. That sounds awful, give me some detosoxyn or adderall or even booze, it’ll activate the dopamine receptors in my mesolimbic system more effectively than gambling. I’m being a sourpuss aren’t I? Adrenaline is a thing.
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SilvergunSuperman posted:Adrenaline is a thing. I know, I loving HATE IT. I have several adrenaline rushes daily when I’m not drunk or stoned. Why would you want to feel like you’re about to be murdered? Edit: nevermind, I’m obviously the only human that feels this way, there’s a reason i see a psychiatrist
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That's a hell of a lot weirder than people choosing to gamble for a quick thrill.
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SilvergunSuperman posted:That's a hell of a lot weirder than people choosing to gamble for a quick thrill. Yeah I know, I don’t get the joy of thrills any more intense than a roller coaster or a bad acid trip. Maybe I should take a roller coaster tour of Nevada whilst on acid, gambling my pocket change on the way. I’ve been invited on stage by Penn & Teller twice but turned it down both times, maybe I’ll be more enthused about being on stage when my and everybody’s faces are melting.
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Nigmaetcetera posted:I’ve been invited on stage by Penn & Teller twice but turned it down both times , maybe I’ll be more enthused about being on stage when my and everybody’s faces are melting. This is one of the more unique flexes I've seen on these forums
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Earth Table posted:This is one of the more unique flexes I've seen on these forums Lol i pointed to my sister both times and she went on stage instead The idea of being drunk and stoned on stage with two guys I sorta like who are ardent teetotalers, well, it sounds less than pleasant. My sister actually got asked to go onstage another time, and did, but I wasn’t there. Sit in the ninth row if you want to be in a Penn & Teller show. Edit: Or maybe it was the sixth row? It’s been a while
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Nigmaetcetera posted:Gambling is horrible. How do you even get hooked on it? People tell me it’s not about winning or losing, it’s about the uncertainty. That sounds awful, give me some desoxyn or adderall or even booze, it’ll activate the dopamine receptors in my mesolimbic system more effectively than gambling. I’m being a sourpuss aren’t I? Like norm Macdonald says, it's a horrible addiction, but it's the only horrible addiction where you can also make a bunch of money
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Bubble Bobby posted:Like norm Macdonald says, it's a horrible addiction, but it's the only horrible addiction where you can also make a bunch of money Yeah he also said alcoholism is the only disease where you get to be drunk all the time. He’s right, but he’s leaving a lot of poo poo out.
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Nigmaetcetera posted:Yeah he also said alcoholism is the only disease where you get to be drunk all the time. He’s right, but he’s leaving a lot of poo poo out. It's a comedy routine, grandpa.
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SilvergunSuperman posted:It's a comedy routine, grandpa. You’re just making fun of me cause I don’t get off on gambling, I bet you’re just as much of a drunken masturbator as me! Prove me wrong! ... Don’t really prove me wrong I’m going through some rough family poo poo right now
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Gambling is fun because you get free beer while doing it. My poker definitely gets way worse after drink #3 but hell, my mood gets better, so it’s a wash as far as I’m concerned
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nrook posted:Gambling is fun because you get free beer while doing it. I’ve been told by an old gambling junkie that you should play poker with the high rollers while pretending to be wasted on comp drinks, but you secretly are popping uppers every 15 minutes. That way they’re all drunk and you’re basically sober. They probably are all doing the same thing so YMMV
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Hey, I have a really stupid question: why is card counting bad? Maybe I don't understand it well enough, but it seems like it's just paying closer attention to the game than most people are. I don't really understand how it's unfair enough of an advantage to kick people out for it.
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prayer group posted:Hey, I have a really stupid question: why is card counting bad? Maybe I don't understand it well enough, but it seems like it's just paying closer attention to the game than most people are. I don't really understand how it's unfair enough of an advantage to kick people out for it. They can kick you out for any reason at any time.
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Christ I wish I had convinced my family to buy some property in Vegas, even up until 2-3 years ago it was actually insanely cheap to get a McMansion, then everyone realized how cheap it was and the prices ballooned in the past couple of years. If there's another reception and prices take a dive again, I know what I'm buying. What a difference 7 years makes   Whoever owned this house literally got it for free, and it would probably be worth 50% more today if it was for sale again. This is gambling because investing in real estate is gambling as well so it's on topic Toxic Mental fucked around with this message at 08:06 on Jan 7, 2020 |
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prayer group posted:Hey, I have a really stupid question: why is card counting bad? Maybe I don't understand it well enough, but it seems like it's just paying closer attention to the game than most people are. I don't really understand how it's unfair enough of an advantage to kick people out for it. The whole point of a casino is to trick the vast majority of people who come in into playing games where everything is as stacked in the house’s favor as they’re legally allowed to get away with. Blackjack is one of the staple games where you stand better than abysmal odds of actually making a profit if you’ve got some skill (and it’s one where skill can factor into the results). Ergo, casinos start getting pissy if someone can consistently know when to go all-in, though they’ve been taking preemptive measures to make card counting much harder, like dealing from multiple decks simultaneously, or calling for reshuffles mid-round (card counting relies on knowing what’s still left in the deck in order to work).
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prayer group posted:Hey, I have a really stupid question: why is card counting bad? Maybe I don't understand it well enough, but it seems like it's just paying closer attention to the game than most people are. I don't really understand how it's unfair enough of an advantage to kick people out for it. You're absolutely right, card counting utilizes information available to everyone and is ultimately just highly skilled play. But casinos have no interest in what's fair just what makes them money so they give counters the boot.
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Pekinduck posted:You're absolutely right, card counting utilizes information available to everyone and is ultimately just highly skilled play. And as such, if you count cards then the casino is still obligated to pay you your winnings as they kick you out. But if they can convince a court that you were actively cheating then they can keep the money.
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Friend of a friend was in Vegas over new year, and his response to losing at blackjack was to walk away.... and then run back at the table and knock everyone’s chips and cards everywhere. The story is doing the gossip rounds - can anyone with experience tell me if the “official” account sounds credible? - immediately arrested by casino security about 11pm and held till the morning - arrested again by the police, held all day and another night - put in front of a judge of some kind and made to pay an $800 fine - told he is banned from all casino floors in Vegas, forever, and if he’s seen in one they’ll arrest him and hold him until his flight home - made to go to his hotel room via a service elevator from the parking garage that misses the casino floors He definitely did something bad and got in trouble for it, I’m just wondering how much it’s been over-exaggerated by his mates or under-exaggerated by him and his girlfriend.
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It's also difficult to actually make money even if you do know how to count cards. Knowing which tables to play at (dealer stands on 17, 3:2 payouts on blackjack, etc.) and knowing perfect basic strategy will result in a house advantage of around .5%. Add in card counting and that pushes the .5% advantage towards you, but this is still a really small edge, so in order to make decent money with card counting you'd need to: a) Make large bets per play. b) Play ALL the time. This means you'd be treating playing blackjack as essentially your day job (and probably night job as well), going from casino to casino to avoid being caught counting. Oh, and you'll most likely spend your days in shittier smoke-filled rundown gambling parlors in order to avoid the stricter rules and terrible 6:5 BJ payouts at the "fancier" casinos. And of course, in order to make the larger bets, you'd need to already have a large amount of money to fall back on to recover from unlucky "swings" where you can lose multiple hands in a row, regardless of counting, and lose 5 to 6 figures of cash in a single day. And all of this doesn't even come together if you can't cards well enough to cover the house edge in the first place, so you might as well just get a regular job and gamble occasionally for fun than deal with all that crap.
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Toxic Mental posted:Christ I wish I had convinced my family to buy some property in Vegas, even up until 2-3 years ago it was actually insanely cheap to get a McMansion, then everyone realized how cheap it was and the prices ballooned in the past couple of years. If there's another reception and prices take a dive again, I know what I'm buying. Vegas and I think Florida were hit harder by the property bubble bursting than anywhere else though
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I think someone figured out that the infamous MIT card counting team only wound up making like $80/hour
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Toxic Mental posted:Christ I wish I had convinced my family to buy some property in Vegas, even up until 2-3 years ago it was actually insanely cheap to get a McMansion, then everyone realized how cheap it was and the prices ballooned in the past couple of years. If there's another reception and prices take a dive again, I know what I'm buying. Would you want to move to Las Vegas? A friend who grew up there reported not much to do and the schools weren’t great. Plus their dad had a severe gambling addiction, so also a negative.
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JAMOOOL posted:I think someone figured out that the infamous MIT card counting team only wound up making like $80/hour As a team? Because 160,000 a year is an extremely good salary for anybody not in Manhattan/San Francisco proper, especially for college students.
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