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leftist heap posted:tbf I don't think this was ever claimed by Google. It was known up front that games would have to be ported to Linux/Vulcan.
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Cardiovorax posted:Really? That would be incredibly stupid. I mean, Borderlands 3 is natively available for PC, I can't imagine they actually plan to obtain and port the source code to Linux for every game they intend to have on their platform. Easier to run it in a stripped-down Windows environment than to go to that kind of effort. Absolutely no one uses Windows for this kind of cloud computing due to Windows costing money and Linux not costing money.
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Cardiovorax posted:Really? That would be incredibly stupid. I mean, Borderlands 3 is natively available for PC, I can't imagine they actually plan to obtain and port the source code to Linux for every game they intend to have on their platform. Easier to run it in a stripped-down Windows environment than to go to that kind of effort. Porting isn't the problem, sure, it's an extra thing for developers to do. But they have to think there will be sales. The lack of game announcements is really concerning for Stadia, since if it was a success, you would have people interested in getting their games on there. But by and large, there's been indifference, which is why nobody is porting anything.
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Emong posted:Absolutely no one uses Windows for this kind of cloud computing due to Windows costing money and Linux not costing money. Cardiovorax posted:Really? That would be incredibly stupid. I mean, Borderlands 3 is natively available for PC, I can't imagine they actually plan to obtain and port the source code to Linux for every game they intend to have on their platform. Easier to run it in a stripped-down Windows environment than to go to that kind of effort. edit: the list of games that run on Vulkan specifically is also quite long. Gobbeldygook fucked around with this message at 20:07 on Jan 6, 2020 |
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Cardiovorax posted:Really? That would be incredibly stupid. I mean, Borderlands 3 is natively available for PC, I can't imagine they actually plan to obtain and port the source code to Linux for every game they intend to have on their platform. Easier to run it in a stripped-down Windows environment than to go to that kind of effort. Only the Xbox runs windows. If the game is on the PS4 then it’s already got a BSD + OpenGL port and the effort to port the game to stadia wouldn’t be that bad. There just has to be a market for it and there isn’t.
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ratbert90 posted:If the game is on the PS4 then it’s already got a BSD + OpenGL port and the effort to port the game to stadia wouldn’t be that bad. lol no that is not how porting software works
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You don't just have to port to Linux either, you also have to port to Vulkan. I think it's pretty telling that they couldn't get Doom 2016 as a release game.
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I don't know anything about Google nowadays, but a few years ago I had a good friend who worked there and he told me that absolutely nobody was working on Google Finance, simply because zero engineers at the company were interested in the product and they wanted to work on newer, hotter things. I have a feeling we're entering that gear with Stadia already.
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What new games are coming to stadia? I think the only one that's not a game that's already available elsewhere is cyberpunk 2077 and even then I don't see that game being out the same day as the console/steam release. It's like we've said, as it is, Stadia is just a chance to buy your games again just for the minor convenience of being able to play in more places. I just don't see how it's appealing right now when you get a gimped game library and you're behind all other platforms in terms of game releases. With the lack of newer releases and the library continuing to be extremely small compared to other platforms, Stadia is really just going to flounder around for a year or two before becoming another bulletpoint in the Google graveyard.
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leftist heap posted:I think it's pretty telling that they couldn't get Doom 2016 as a release game. My bet is it works, but it's completely unplayable due to the lag and they're desperately trying to improve it. Pryor on Fire posted:I don't know anything about Google nowadays, but a few years ago I had a good friend who worked there and he told me that absolutely nobody was working on Google Finance, simply because zero engineers at the company were interested in the product and they wanted to work on newer, hotter things. Makes sense, pretty much the same reason Valve couldn't get up off its rear end to make a new HL game until they tied it to VR tech, which Valve is absolutely obsessed with to the exclusion of anything else. Ineffiable posted:What new games are coming to stadia? I think the only one that's not a game that's already available elsewhere is cyberpunk 2077 and even then I don't see that game being out the same day as the console/steam release. https://9to5google.com/2020/01/03/every-google-stadia-game-2020/ The Crew 2 DOOM 2016 The Elder Scrolls Online SUPERHOT The Division 2 Baldur's Gate 3 Cyberpunk 2077 Destroy All Humans! (2020 remake) DOOM Eternal Gods & Monsters Avengers Monster Energy Supercross 3 Watch Dogs Legion Windjammers 2 Timed Exclusives: Get Packed Orcs Must Die! 3 Spitlings It's not a great list but it could be worse. Rotten Red Rod fucked around with this message at 20:33 on Jan 6, 2020 |
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Pryor on Fire posted:I don't know anything about Google nowadays, but a few years ago I had a good friend who worked there and he told me that absolutely nobody was working on Google Finance, simply because zero engineers at the company were interested in the product and they wanted to work on newer, hotter things. This is Google culture. I don't know how many times it's been stated/reiterated here but the absolute worst thing you could do for your career at Google is to stay attached to a product after launch (other than mail/search or the 3% of products that go on to be useful/successful). It is never in their best interests to make a product work, it's all about the hype/launch. As a google engineer, it is imperative that you get attached to a product way, way before launch. From that moment, do everything in your power to be put onto a new launch product as close to BEFORE launch of your original project as possible. Executives are the same, though they get the golden parachute to escape the explosion/wildfire after, so it's a tossup on what they should do.
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What ever happened to hostile apostle once everything he shilled stopped working?
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Communist Walrus posted:Marques, please show me what's all new in the area of computing I hope it was Marques Brownlee humoring the guy. Glenn Quebec posted:What ever happened to hostile apostle once everything he shilled stopped working? He got sucked into the cloud and is now roaming the information superhighway.
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The lack of games hasn't stopped some dedicated fan outlets from doing reviews. State of Stadia: The Crew 2 review quote:The Crew 2 is a must for any racing fan thanks to it's challenging gameplay with plenty of variety and impressive graphics. We look forward to seeing this on Stadia this November! Doom 2016 review quote:Doom 2016 is a fantastic shooting game with impressive graphics and shooting gameplay. We look forward to seeing this on Stadia this November! Monster Hunter: World review quote:Monster Hunter: World is a complex action RPG. It offers a huge variety of monster hunts, weapons in a visually interesting world. It isn't a game for everyone due its learning curve and time required but still worth a look if you've played any previous entries or similar games. We look forward to hopefully seeing this on Google Stadia in the future and will update this review with our impressions. Actually, all of that site's reviews were posted before the Stadia Pro was made available and none have been updated for Stadia version impressions. Weird!
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I think I saw a movie about that called Ralph breaks the Stadia. Oh god the best thing you can do is call it 'the Stadia' second best is to say you just got your Stadia in the mail.
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leftist heap posted:Even xCloud isn't using Windows VMs though
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ratbert90 posted:Only the Xbox runs windows. If the game is on the PS4 then it’s already got a BSD + OpenGL port and the effort to port the game to stadia wouldn’t be that bad. ps4 doesnt have opengl. it uses its own apis, one high level which is what you would use for something that doesnt really require a lot of processing and can make do with being inefficient, and then a low level one which most things using modern graphics are going to be using and which requires a lot more hardware specific coding to use. look up the presentation the devs of second son did to see how much hardware specific optimisation things are using. even the xbox runs a weird version of directx and again a mode with more low level access. consoles arent just little PCs even if theyre on x86 now
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ps now just uses racks of ps3 and ps4 hardware broken down into whateveru rack units. pretty sure xcloud is doing the same but with xboxes. xbox "running" windows doesnt mean its just running pc software its still largely hardware optimised. how else do u think the base consoles are running anything with like 1.6ghz cpus.
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2 Thoughts On “Monster Hunter: World Review” Sanses SEPTEMBER 20, 2019 AT 1:31 PM Has MHW actually been confirmed as coming to Stadia or are you just spouting speculation? Because I have seen nothing confirming it as coming to Stadia yet. Matt Harris Post Author SEPTEMBER 21, 2019 AT 12:00 AM Thank you for your comment. We thought it was going to get a release some time after launch, however you are right – nothing has been confirmed. I have updated the review to point this out. 
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quote:Yeah, that's exactly what I think happened. This was probably planned to go out when Google Fiber was in full swing (Not 100% rolled out but rolled out enough to be popular in the public's mind). Similar stuff has been posted here before but I feel like I'm seeing this a lot now, I guess it's a handy way to admit the lack of success without having to blame google. quote:It COULD be big if they would have done it near the new console launch. Marketing genius here. Why doesn't every underdog launch directly opposite their entrenched opposition, with less options and a more limited experience??
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Rotten Red Rod posted:
I should have been more clear, I was asking about games that would be new to the gaming population in general as well as stadia, not a port of a game we've already had for 6+ months. Still a bigger list than I was expecting but let's see how many of those do come out.
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Ineffiable posted:I should have been more clear, I was asking about games that would be new to the gaming population in general as well as stadia, not a port of a game we've already had for 6+ months. But how many of these games will actually come out?
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Ineffiable posted:I should have been more clear, I was asking about games that would be new to the gaming population in general as well as stadia, not a port of a game we've already had for 6+ months. Ah, well, that's everything on the list (and in the article) after Division 2.
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Rotten Red Rod posted:My bet is it works, but it's completely unplayable due to the lag and they're desperately trying to improve it. That entire list is wishposting. The article says: quote:For better or worse, not every game that’s being released for Google Stadia in the coming year is necessarily new. While none of the platform’s games thus far are old enough to be considered “classics,” some of Stadia’s upcoming releases in 2020 are simply ports from other platforms. I bet baldur's gate 3 and anything else that is going to be out later in the year won't make it in 2020, if ever. With Stadia hemorhaging users (looking at the destiny 2 numbers they've dropped down to 8k or so active users), devs are going to prioritize stadia compatibility even less than they already are.
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Finster Dexter posted:That entire list is wishposting. The article says: Fair enough, but if you want a list that has firm, confirmed Stadia release dates it's going to be a very, very short list. Like, 0 titles long. That and the question was "what new titles are coming to Stadia", not a particular date. As of right now, all those titles are supposed to come to Stadia at some point. Rotten Red Rod fucked around with this message at 00:14 on Jan 7, 2020 |
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Ringo Star Get posted:Seems like it's 95% "dads" that are trying to escape from their own family - sounds like they need some therapy. I straight up tell my wife if I'm going to play games since I might have headphones on - she knows that she'll probably hear me talking to someone or that she might have to come to the office to get my attention. This is exactly why I can’t possibly believe this. Are there that many people that married a teeth monster that can’t simply have established that this is their hobby, they play games, that they need to go covert ops on this kinda crap? It just boggles the mind. I wish my wife appreciated gaming as much as I do and I take what time with her I can get when we can share it but I have to wonder what these people have had to give up in order to find someone who’d gently caress them in the first place that would lead to them having to lower themselves to becoming a “Stadia Dad” <shudder>
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The apocryphal Stadia dad also often has an "unused" PS4 sitting around unused / too near their wife's teeth, but hasn't worked out a used Vita costs less than the FOUNDERS pack and has no ongoing costs + works with their existing games, like Tomb Raider they probably bought for $5 in 2016. At this point I think Google looked at the founders demographics, worked out 95% of buyers were men* and tried to work out how to make "play games away from the ball and chain!" marketable in [current year]. * - this is basically always true for an overly techy solution to a problem that doesn't exist.
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Wife: My husband used to go out the garage to smoke a cigarette or two and then jerk off, but now he's just in there doing raids and finding old poo poo with Lara Croft. drat you Stadia!!!
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Lol, I had completely forgotten that Stevia was a thing til someone on my feed retweeted this guy. I guess it is getting an exclusive? https://twitter.com/BelgianBoolean/status/1214290368205918215?s=20
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Majin posted:Are there that many people that married a teeth monster. Ya know i started to skip the reddit posts because they blended into some mad gibberish about Stadia and its merits that are not actually real given enough thought to simpler solutions, but this one has me stumped and i suspect i should have paid more attention. Im not sure if this is actually forgetting stadia or not being aware enough in the first place to see the possible comparison.
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Barudak posted:All I will say is remember Amazon's last gaming foray? They'll still need to get everyone to buy a controller to play anything that isn't custom made for use with an Amazon Fire remote control.
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Lodin posted:Lol, I had completely forgotten that Stevia was a thing til someone on my feed retweeted this guy. I guess it is getting an exclusive? "Google Stadia first party"? Is this like a new thing where they don't even have a name for the studio yet? (Also a Google game studio that has nothing but concept artists makes a good joke.) amazon's been trying to do games stuff other than just running twitch for the last little bit, and generally failing pretty badly -- though in a much quieter way than google again it's a case of a Platform company thinking the Platforms are the most important thing. so amazon bought a copy of cryengine and re-branded it lumberyard, and was like "come use our new Platform, we're got special twitch integration!" *cricket sounds*
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FunOne posted:I figure the YouTube people might have a shot at nailing a streaming game option, but the twitch people? No loving way. When are the YouTube people unveiling their streaming game platform??
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Klyith posted:"Google Stadia first party"? Is this like a new thing where they don't even have a name for the studio yet? they got star citizen
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