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lilbeefer posted:What is the best actual evidence that can be given to a tankie to show that whilst China isn't a bad country necessarily it's not all unicorn farts and mapo tofu Probably the big thing right now is the growing anxiety among the Chinese middle-class that Chinese society is trying to wring them dry of what little wealth they have, and that they have no way of getting the government to help them. They refer to themselves as "chives", because they can be harvested for the prosperity of the powerful and the elites of China. https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/03/asia/china-leeks-economy-trade-war-intl/index.html https://elephant-room.com/2018/08/27/the-story-of-chinese-chives/ Connected to this, Huawei became a target of outrage recently after a former employee wrote online about being imprisoned for asking for his severance pay. This came as Huawei was trying to drum up domestic support for their CFO while she awaits extradition to the US. People pointed out the hypocrisy of Huawei bemoaning the supposed injustice their CFO faces in her mansion in Canada while also imprisoning their employee for asking what he was legally entitled to. This played into the general "harvested chives" anxiety, adding credence in the minds of middle-class Chinese that the rich and powerful can get whatever they want and are willing to sacrifice ordinary Chinese to maintain their wealth. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/dec/02/huawei-under-fire-china-employee-detained-eight-months https://www.nytimes.com./2019/12/04/technology/huawei-china-backlash.html I think what's important here, in terms of convincing your tankie friend, is that this is ordinary Chinese expressing their frustrations about their problem with Chinese society. It can't be argued away as outsiders trying to impose "foreign" concepts on a supposedly-different Chinese way of life. It also lays bare just how much the Chinese government promotes and defends the interest of the rich and powerful, even at the expense of the average Chinese people it supposedly represents.
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CIGNX posted:Also, welp That's umm, hosed if true. The numbers are probably bigger.
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My boss is an old man from Hubei province. This week he was browsing on his phone and exclaimed "My God!" so I thought it had something to do with coronavirus news. He looked at me completely shaken and said "Kobe is dead!" Fojar38 posted:I hear white people can unlock the secret menu in new game plus if they manage to beat China on the highest difficulty
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BrainDance posted:What kind of stuff specifically is he going on about? So much stuff. I don't know where to begin. For example I asked him if he thought that the WHO declaring a global emergency was just media bullshit, and his response was something along the line of "90% yes, and not just any media hype but weaponised media hype, sparking a whole new era of sinophobic" I didn't even mention china I mean wether or not it is true, why is it construed as an attacked against china? lilbeefer fucked around with this message at 08:56 on Feb 1, 2020 |
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Because in CCP/tankieworld, declaring an international health emergency is an implicit admission that pandemic management under the glorious Xi Jinping Thought on Socialism with Chinese Characteristics for a New Era has not been up to snuff. That's also why the WHO leadership has been practically bent over backwards to emphasize how China has been doing such a good job with this outbreak, just a darn shame, could've happened to any country really, etc etc etc
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Baronjutter posted:I'm constantly caught off guard by how limited the range of "normal" food is to a large chunk of americans. Like loving lamb is a weird exotic foreign food to many. Lamb?? No thanks I don't eat ethnic food.
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Fojar38 posted:I hear white people can unlock the secret menu in new game plus if they manage to beat China on the highest difficulty hehhee What is the hospitalisation rate? The BBC says it's about 20 ~ 25% gets severe symptoms like pneumonia as this is what is going to flatten the medical system and when that happens the death rate to going to shoot up. It is quite different to the flu where you either die because you are almost dead anyway or you become the equivalent of walking wounded, go home, rest up, drink lots of fluids, drink soup and stop infecting everyone. It makes flu season manageable despite how wide spread it is.  Lining up to get into hospital. loving nuts unless you're dying that is the last place you want to be. Go see a GP.Had to argue with this gently caress idiot who has no idea how statistics work saying this is just another flu.
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Fojar38 posted:This is basically a 1:1 analogy, the chief difference being that the tankie version of "owning the libs" is usually some form of anti-Americanism. The factual basis for their beliefs is less relevant than if they serve that one fundamental idea strange feelings re Daisy posted:My boss is an old man from Hubei province. This week he was browsing on his phone and exclaimed "My God!" so I thought it had something to do with coronavirus news. He looked at me completely shaken and said "Kobe is dead!"
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"Monopoly of eggs in all of China" has a great ring to it.
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lilbeefer posted:So much stuff. I don't know where to begin. For example I asked him if he thought that the WHO declaring a global emergency was just media bullshit, and his response was something along the line of "90% yes, and not just any media hype but weaponised media hype, sparking a whole new era of sinophobic" Is your friend caps lock broken?
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Quick, someone rework that meme with The Rock and Becka "Kay, why do you hate socialism?" "They took my great grandfather's monopoly of eggs in all of China" *Mao looking over the backseath* "drat right we did, Kay you little centipede poo poo"
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lilbeefer posted:What is the best actual evidence that can be given to a tankie to show that whilst China isn't a bad country necessarily it's not all unicorn farts and mapo tofu https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/28/world/asia/china-maoists-xi-protests.html
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lilbeefer posted:So much stuff. I don't know where to begin. For example I asked him if he thought that the WHO declaring a global emergency was just media bullshit, and his response was something along the line of "90% yes, and not just any media hype but weaponised media hype, sparking a whole new era of sinophobic" Yeah, that makes sense. The problem with a lot of leftist literature is that it's so focused on what America or western organizations have done that it ignores other countries using the same tactics. The authors kind of assume we're going to fill in the blanks, because it should be really obvious. You cant account for every idiot or person who hasn't really thought through their new ideas though. Some countries (basically China, I can't think of another example here, maybe North Korea?) take advantage of this, and so here we are. I would ask him what he's read lately. But I dont know how you're gonna follow up on that without having read whatever, too. Edit: With the very little you've told us I kind of suspect your friend is just really new to these ideas and 50/50 shot he comes out of it on his own. You gotta be a special kind of idiot to come to the other conclusion. And if that's the case I dont know if it's worth your time. Most leftists put him in the same camp as reactionaries and liberals, or maybe worse. BrainDance fucked around with this message at 10:43 on Feb 1, 2020 |
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lilbeefer posted:What is the best actual evidence that can be given to a tankie to show that whilst China isn't a bad country necessarily it's not all unicorn farts and mapo tofu If someone is a "tankie" they have deep seated personality problems and a radically pathological world view that can’t easily be altered. If it was a question of evidence or common sense they wouldn’t be that way to begin with. It’s like someone super deep into conspiracy theories or a full on neo-nazi or something.
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hakimashou posted:If it was a question of evidence or common sense they wouldn’t be that way to begin with. If that was true there wouldn't be any liberals
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GotLag posted:If that was true there wouldn't be any liberals man..... it's 2020 and there's 2 ways to take this
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GotLag posted:If that was true there wouldn't be any liberals Or genocide-denying tankies.
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This quarantine is becoming hard core https://mobile.twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1223520819562893312
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you guys ever just say gently caress it and go to the wayback machine and start going back to your mid/late 90s pokemon sites? I wish I was 12 again. You can find some of the very earliest posts I made on the Internet here, it's up to you to figure out who exactly I am https://web.archive.org/web/20001206110900/http://www.pewtercity.com/tpcpc/index.html
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BrainDance posted:you guys ever just say gently caress it and go to the wayback machine and start going back to your mid/late 90s pokemon sites? I wish I was 12 again. no why
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CIGNX posted:Probably the big thing right now is the growing anxiety among the Chinese middle-class that Chinese society is trying to wring them dry of what little wealth they have, and that they have no way of getting the government to help them. They refer to themselves as "chives", because they can be harvested for the prosperity of the powerful and the elites of China. Wow, China really is doing a Capitalism speedrun.
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昨天因为吃鸡被我爸凶了之后我俩一直没有说话 我刚在睡觉我爸直接把书hu我床上 别再玩游戏了！把这书给我看了 不知道你们在家呆那么多天挨吵了吗。。
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BrainDance posted:you guys ever just say gently caress it and go to the wayback machine and start going back to your mid/late 90s pokemon sites? I wish I was 12 again. Here you can see the current generation ironically/unironically continue the tradition. https://neocities.org/browse?sort_by=followers&tag=pokemon A lot of food bitches in this thread btw
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Exactlly what I am chasing. Now I just need to wait for him to explain why NYtimes is bias against china or somesuch BrainDance posted:
Sorry I don't want to be too specific about him. But he describes himself as an authoritarian and says reddit is far too liberal for him to post on. I asked him if he has been hooked hard by wumaos and he told me to go to r/thedonald because that is the sort of poo poo they say. 2 DiFfEReNt ThINgS CanNoT Be BaD
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https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/01/27/dont-blame-bat-soup-for-the-wuhan-virus/ This doesn't really come together into a cogent thing, viz: quote:These prejudices can fuel fear and racism. As the Wuhan virus spreads, the Chinese as a group are more and more likely to be blamed for its incubation and spread. In countries such as Malaysia and Indonesia, where there are already clashes around ethnic Chinese, those sentiments could turn nasty. In the West, especially under the Trump administration, it could fuel both government and public prejudices.
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Empty Sandwich posted:https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/01/27/dont-blame-bat-soup-for-the-wuhan-virus/ Lol are those two paragraphs together like that? Is there one missing some place?
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China is responsible for this disaster but that's not an excuse to be racist to every Chinese person you meet.
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My uncle's at a major trade show right now and he said retailers are scrambling to find available product, it looks like the epidemic is going to impact production enough that ship dates will be missed and they're worried about keeping shelves fully stocked.
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Stink Billyums posted:My uncle's at a major trade show right now and he said retailers are scrambling to find available product, it looks like the epidemic is going to impact production enough that ship dates will be missed and they're worried about keeping shelves fully stocked. What kind of stuff is he looking for?
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:What kind of stuff is he looking for? N95 and N99 masks.
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MarcusSA posted:Lol are those two paragraphs together like that? Is there one missing some place? yes; no I would blow Dane Cook posted:China is responsible for this disaster but that's not an excuse to be racist to every Chinese person you meet. this is a very good message and what he should've done instead.
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:What kind of stuff is he looking for? He's selling toys and will apparently be able to offload a bunch of poo poo that's been sitting in a warehouse for a year which he thought he'd have take a loss on selling to a liquidation company.
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