Bootcha posted:

Once upon a time, Star Marine was, until the "scaling" problem.

Then Star Marine was developed internally at CIG.

It upholds the same quality as Arena Commander.

Theaters of War promises the same.

iron buns posted:

jarlywarly posted:

Isn't the inherent problem that the types of encounters/fights/time to kill etc need to be very different for an MMO where you can't just respawn in a few seconds than an arena type shooter. So what really are you learning about combat design and balancing etc that you can apply to the MMO?

Sillybones posted:

But they had Space Marine and they had Space Arena. These were both self-contained things that they could have used to perfect both shooting on foot and flying in space. Why do they need a new mode to do what these already did?

Bofast posted:

It would be funny if someone managed to send Ben into orbit before SC is released.

Dementropy posted:

1:
meanwhile the annual discussion from a "new actual player" in the sc subreddit. Including the usual accusations like pay to win and the complaints that people donate so much money to sc.

2:
Yeah, the discussions are worthless.

I complained to the admins, but they think that what I want is a forum without criticism. And they think that by not moderating the forum whatsoever they are providing everyone a platform, but what they are doing is alienating people because certain things cannot be said because a bunch of anti-social universally loathed jerks who organize attacks against fans of SC will pounce on any opportunity to stir negativity and piss people off.

Every other subreddit as a "No Troll" policy, why doesn't r/starcitizen? It's almost suspicious, as in I am not sure that the motives of the moderators can be trusted. When they apparently permitted people to accuse one of the CIG employees of being a pedophile I became convinced that at best those moderators have absolutely no loving clue how to manage a community and what purpose banning serves.

Bubbacub posted:

Because the new mode is a reskin for Crysis Wars and they can pretend like they're actually doing something

Scruffpuff posted:

20?? (the future)

Dementropy posted:

1:
meanwhile the annual discussion from a "new actual player" in the sc subreddit. Including the usual accusations like pay to win and the complaints that people donate so much money to sc.

2:
Yeah, the discussions are worthless.

I complained to the admins, but they think that what I want is a forum without criticism. And they think that by not moderating the forum whatsoever they are providing everyone a platform, but what they are doing is alienating people because certain things cannot be said because a bunch of anti-social universally loathed jerks who organize attacks against fans of SC will pounce on any opportunity to stir negativity and piss people off.

Every other subreddit as a "No Troll" policy, why doesn't r/starcitizen? It's almost suspicious, as in I am not sure that the motives of the moderators can be trusted. When they apparently permitted people to accuse one of the CIG employees of being a pedophile I became convinced that at best those moderators have absolutely no loving clue how to manage a community and what purpose banning serves.

Quavers posted:

Is there a Falcon 9 variant with 6 extra boosters planned?

ggangensis posted:

I can imagine the meeting where the senior software architect (24yrs old) bursts into the room, boasting about how he found the Crysis Wars source folder in their repo. "We reskin it and the backers will be extatic!"

Also chances are that when they are building on top of Crysis Wars in a state without CIG hacks sprinkled all over the place it might even work halfway decent.

Beet Wagon posted:

can't believe the star citizen mods didn't ban me for something I said on like /r/games or whatever dumbass subreddit.

SoftNum posted:

It seems optimistic that this isn't 2???

SoftNum posted:

It seems optimistic that this isn't 2???

Scruffpuff posted:

Well, you know, it's well-established that I tend toward optimism regarding this project.

Beexoffel posted:

At the risk of incurring a probation, I would like to call attention to the anime series 'Keep your hands of Eizouken!'. It is an anime about making anime. And episodes 4 and 5 address exactly the kind of troubles of dreaming versus actually making something. Of wanting to do every scene hand drawn versus 'trickery' and software to fill in the gaps. Of having not to worry about money and time versus having a budget and a plan.
Almost as if they watched Chris, inverted how he acts, and came up with the producer character for the series that guides the artists to achieve their goals.

In short: when I watch something about people achieving goals, I think of how they are not like CIG.

Beexoffel posted:

At the risk of incurring a probation, I would like to call attention to the anime series 'Keep your hands of Eizouken!'. It is an anime about making anime. And episodes 4 and 5 address exactly the kind of troubles of dreaming versus actually making something. Of wanting to do every scene hand drawn versus 'trickery' and software to fill in the gaps. Of having not to worry about money and time versus having a budget and a plan.
Almost as if they watched Chris, inverted how he acts, and came up with the producer character for the series that guides the artists to achieve their goals.

In short: when I watch something about people achieving goals, I think of how they are not like CIG.

quote:

STEPS TO REPRODUCE
Stepped off tram.


ACTUAL RESULT
Stepped off tram onto platform and was standing there a few minutes when it happened. Instantly put into a cargo hold of a constellation ship being flown by a nine tails pilot.


EXPECTED RESULT
Eventually crashed.

AP posted:

Looking through the bug tracker and you can really see the progress.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zl344nN5mXA

Zaphod42 posted:

The way the camera bobbles all over the loving place while you're climbing the ladder is insane

I've never gotten motion sickness from a non-VR title before

Bronze Fonz posted:

Could the whole POV be tied to the player character's eyeballs?

quote:

ACTUAL RESULT
Spinning kiosk at Orinth.

EXPECTED RESULT
Unusable.

Bronze Fonz posted:

Could the whole POV be tied to the player character's eyeballs?

Pixelate posted:

GLITCHED KISOSK

Pixelate posted:

GLITCHED KISOSK

toiletbrush posted:

Dunno if this guy's code was also written during crunch but in my experience this is where most of the pain of crunch code comes from - there might be bugs or it might work fine but crunch code is pretty much always poorly architected or not architected at all.

Careless bugs might be embarrassing but they can usually be fixed in minutes/hours, but reams of code that railroads everything that depends on it for evermore, is hard to change but littered with assumptions that won't be true next week and has its tendrils all over the codebase takes *months* to fix and rots your code from the inside out as anything that's built on it is instantly tech debt.

quote:

STEPS TO REPRODUCE
Spawn a coffee maker in your hangar
Place anything you want on the placeholder for the cup

ACTUAL RESULT
You can spawn for example a ship on the coffee maker

EXPECTED RESULT
Only coffee mug should be allowed

Rotten Red Rod posted:

Aren't there other glitches that pretty much confirm this? I think there was one where the hud was missing, and going to 3rd person revealed the characters' eyeballs were gone too.

Der Shovel posted:

Yeah this is one of the biggest tell-tale signs that these idiots genuinely don't understand game (or software) development.

As a personal anecdote, I've been crunching like crazy this past week to get our prototype ready for testing launch next Tuesday. Towards the end of the week I was coding for 11 hours straight, and the results of that crunch aren't good work! It's totally counterproductive, because you're not thinking straight at that point, and you'll be making mistakes, and coming up with stupid solutions that you'll have to redo the next day anyway. And this is not complicated code, it's very basic stuff but there's a lot of it to do*.

The idea that "game coder codes 16 hours a day" is a good thing is so loving stupid. It's a colossal sign of horrible project management and a pretty loving sure fire sign that the project is going to fail.

[*] and the guy who was coding the project before I got hired made some loving interesting decisions, which I'm now paying for.

ggangensis posted:

Did not see that particular video, but one that dealt with the question why a lot of VFX in movies looks worse than a lot from, 10 or 15 years ago.
They're answer was that VFX became a sweatshop-industry over the years. The demand grew so quickly because everyone and his little brother now makes special effects heavy films. If you look at marvel shovelware movies, it is sometimes hard to tell if these are from a videogame or actual movies. Because of the high demand, exactly what you state happens: Unpaid overtime, rushed productions while operating on a dime.

I think there is just one sane way to go with it: Never, ever work for the entertainment industry.
It is no secret that the gaming industry doesn't pay well (except you are one of the gifted few in a sea of thousands. Looking at you, Tiago) and the working conditions are often abysmal. The main problem here is that being a "game coder" sounds pretty cool and it's a dream of a lot of young people, mine included a few years back. So what happens when a lot of people want the job and the bulk of applicants is straight from university? Right, it dumps the wages and allows a culture of crunch time. Young people often don't know their rights or just lack the foresight that working yourself into burnout is nothing you will hear even a single "thank you" for.
I think this is pretty singular when it comes to software development. Sure, writing backend-stuff for a bank might be boring, but a at least it pays well and you are home by 6.

Scruffpuff posted:

I know this might wind up being a controversial opinion, but it matches my experience that developers who truly enjoy coding will enjoy the satisfaction that comes with writing efficient, elegant, optimized code whether it's in a video game or some unknown backend credit card service. Even if they're video game fans. "The dream" of working on video games is something of an illusion, unless your passion exceed normal safety levels. A satisfaction of a job well done writing good code for a small company and getting recognized and appreciated for your work is far better than working endless crunch so nerds can bitch about the end result on Youtube.