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EV’s still don’t have the range I need for my vehicle usage
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Mar 9, 2020 04:39
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Yeah, but in 10 years neither of those things will be true.
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Mar 9, 2020 04:49
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True, but it’s still going to be a significant challenge to charge a vehicle in the middle of the Simpson Desert or on the Canning Stock Route, but those are very much an AU or African challenge. Serious question- are there many areas in the US where your legitimately 400+ miles away from any civilisation?
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Mar 9, 2020 05:00
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Depends on how you define civilization, but yeah there's quite a few stretches in the western US that would have quite a bit of trouble recharging unless nationwide charging stations are implemented.
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Mar 9, 2020 05:17
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AU is gonna be an Awesome challenge for carmakers, China's already putting out 10kWh bricks that people are adding to Leafs and poo poo, that, plus I'd imagine Solar-based charging systems will be pretty effective in the Outback. It's okay to have outliers that EV's not a good fit for, fact is it's loving awesome for 90%+ of commuters (especially once we get laws requiring charging stations at Apartment Complexes and Workplaces, California will almost certainly take the lead on this in the US) once we have the "sit in traffic 2hours eryday" crowd in the fold we'll work on the contractors and what not. I get it, I have an ICE truck I use for truck stuff,and my GF has an ICE SUV 'cause even though her commute would best be served by an EV, her apartment doesn't have charging, so we take her Rav4 anywhere I can't stretch my Leaf. It's telling that she prefers the Leaf if we can manage the range, it's quieter, comfier, and has seat heaters. I'm a frothing EV enthusiast now though, after buying a basically brand-new one for $14k, so take my opinion with a hefty grain of salt.
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Mar 9, 2020 05:51
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Let's be fair, with 200 miles of real world range you've solved the vast majority of driving people do. Not 100%, but it's not like gasoline and diesel will suddenly vanish overnight for anyone outside of the norm.
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Mar 9, 2020 05:51
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IOwnCalculus posted:Let's be fair, with 200 miles of real world range you've solved the vast majority of driving people do. Not 100%, but it's not like gasoline and diesel will suddenly vanish overnight for anyone outside of the norm.  this!
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Mar 9, 2020 05:54
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I'm seriously looking forward to electric swaps being as junkyard-able and cheap as LS swaps are now.
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Mar 9, 2020 06:02
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Judging by the sheer amount of Rotopax fuel cans I see mounted on Jeeps around Los Angeles, the next closest gas station is somewhere deep into New Mexico. This is shocking to me, having driven an old-rear end Jeep all over the California desert and never using more than half a tank between stops lol.
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Mar 9, 2020 06:05
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Where as i've been places where i've seriously pushed my 217L fuel capacity to its limits and that was only a 700km trip! Soft sand changes the game so much- my 100 series went from its normal 15L/100 touring consumption to 22L/100 just because the sand in the desert was absolute powder. The other issue is weight, sure my 217L of diesel is about 200kg of weight out of my payload (or when im touring, further over my GVM) but that gets me 1400km of range. 1400km of range in an EV is going to be a HELL of lot more weight in batteries than 200kg, even with lithium tech advancing along. Every extra kg your carrying in batteries is either less gear you can carry, or if they do punch the GVM limits up to offset it, less range because your moving more weight. The other one we were talking bout at work is some places we cant ever see EV working and thats agriculture- You might be able to get 5-600hp worth of electric motors into a tractor or combine, but the battery bank to support that is going to be enormous, and if you've got a choice between a tractor that you have to charge for 4hrs every couple of hours, or a machine that you spend 15 mins pumping diesel into once every 8hrs, that time difference in getting your field work done or not could be the difference between a successful year and a total failure.
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Mar 9, 2020 06:39
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The President has definitely been exposed to the Coronavirus. So maybe now something will actually get done.
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Mar 9, 2020 07:04
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Rhyno posted:The President has definitely been exposed to the Coronavirus. So maybe now something will actually get done. I mean hopefully he'll contract it, it's supposed to be fairly bad for old farts is it not?
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Mar 9, 2020 08:17
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Elviscat posted:Yeah, I haven't seen anyone going "my EV eucks, I'm going back to ICE!" Truly for the commuter EV just blows ICE away, I can't even come close to describing how horrible and janky driving a standard Automatic Transmission vehicle feels compared to the smooth whine of IGBTs increasing in pitch to your desired speed feels. Like, I actively hate driving our work vehicles now because they're so unpleasant compared to my Leaf, and braking? Regenerative braking feels like what engine braking SHOULD be, hydraulic brakes are for scrubs, and using them should be avoided at all cost (a fact EVs will remind you of every time you use your horrible, squealing, underutilized conventional brakes). Well many people who buy EVs are likely biased enough to look past the price hike, lower quality for the price etc in the first place, so not really the most unbiased group of rebuyers. That being said, EV powertrains are very nice for the daily commute.
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Mar 9, 2020 08:56
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cakesmith handyman posted:In my price range there are only D5s.
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Mar 9, 2020 09:28
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Ferremit posted:EV’s still don’t have the range I need for my vehicle usage OTOH your use is very much a edge case where 99.999% will never do. Petrol and diesel will still be around for where electrical or hydrogen cant meet - which in all honestly wont be a hell of a lot given the development and real world 98% needs meeting EV's do right now for the average transport. Trucks, tractors etc will be fossil fuels for a while longer, no doubt. quote:Yeah, I haven't seen anyone going "my EV eucks, I'm going back to ICE!" Truly for the commuter EV just blows ICE away quote:Well many people who buy EVs are likely biased enough to look past the price hike, lower quality for the price etc in the first place, so not really the most unbiased group of rebuye Actually.... I think the first is much truer. Every EV (Admittedly, mostly in Uncle Elon's badly made shitheaps) I've driven is pretty much just proving ICE just isn't as good at running about town, it's not as relaxing and yea you will get my Subarus out of my cold dead hands and I *love* fanging V8's ..... but to be blunt EV's are now arguably simply better cars now (Could you imagine saying that 10 years ago?) that only can refill their energy faster - and even THAT is under serious debate. I mean FFS, Teslas are dubious quality American built cars with massive torque and ability to effortlessly hurl you down the road..... doesnt this sound like a muscle car to you? kastein posted:I'm seriously looking forward to electric swaps being as junkyard-able and cheap as LS swaps are now. So am I. The swaps that are happening right now ranging from awesome to outright terrifying are amazing
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Mar 9, 2020 11:10
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Elviscat posted:Yeah, I haven't seen anyone going "my EV eucks, I'm going back to ICE!" Truly for the commuter EV just blows ICE away, I can't even come close to describing how horrible and janky driving a standard Automatic Transmission vehicle feels compared to the smooth whine of IGBTs increasing in pitch to your desired speed feels. Like, I actively hate driving our work vehicles now because they're so unpleasant compared to my Leaf, and braking? Regenerative braking feels like what engine braking SHOULD be, hydraulic brakes are for scrubs, and using them should be avoided at all cost (a fact EVs will remind you of every time you use your horrible, squealing, underutilized conventional brakes). I've had the i3 for a month, I can't ever see going back to a ICE for daily driver duties unless it's something stupid/fun. After driving nothing but the i3 for a month getting in my wife's Highlander felt....weird I guess, and wasteful in some strange way. I still love my inefficient, comparatively loud and fun ICE cars for the weekend but holy crap I'm loving the EV for boring commuter duty. Downside it does have me looking at buying a Tesla Model 3 or equivalent in 3-5 years.
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Mar 9, 2020 12:00
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IOwnCalculus posted:Let's be fair, with 200 miles of real world range you've solved the vast majority of driving people do. Not 100%, but it's not like gasoline and diesel will suddenly vanish overnight for anyone outside of the norm. I spent a week in Sydney first time without a rental car or friends with cars I could borrow. I drive everywhere back home and public transport is for the poors/not used and not reliable at all. Bloody hell I've converted and every car I saw on the roads in Sydney I wondered 'Why the gently caress would you bother?!' But first thing I did when I got home was rip a skid and go for a spirited drive around town.
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Mar 9, 2020 12:05
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Elviscat posted:AU is gonna be an Awesome challenge for carmakers, China's already putting out 10kWh bricks that people are adding to Leafs and poo poo, that, plus I'd imagine Solar-based charging systems will be pretty effective in the Outback. When are you getting an electric dirt bike? IOwnCalculus posted:Let's be fair, with 200 miles of real world range you've solved the vast majority of driving people do. Not 100%, but it's not like gasoline and diesel will suddenly vanish overnight for anyone outside of the norm. This + charging in not-highway corridors would probably do the trick for me. I assume charging infrastructure will slowly continue building out until it hits some tipping point in the US. I’m curious to see what has to happen for the rolling coal crowd to convert though.
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Mar 9, 2020 13:36
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Electricity cost is also going to play into it too, as well as electrical source. Its probably less damaging to the environment to start up an ICE than it is to use power from a brown coal power station to charge your EV up every night.
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Mar 9, 2020 13:48
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i, for one, am excited to bail out the oil companies
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Mar 9, 2020 14:01
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Coincidently, we have one of the Mitsi Outlander PHEVS at work- The ones that are a plug in hybrid. We also dont have a charging station at work. It was forced on us as part of a departmental directive, but there was no funding for the $7K for the big charger for it. We also dont have any external power points near where you could charge it off the 10A single phase option, so the only charging it gets is regenerative going down the hills. The thing has a worse average fuel consumption than my 3 tonne, 4.2L diesel landcruiser!
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Mar 9, 2020 14:04
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Ferremit posted:Electricity cost is also going to play into it too, as well as electrical source. Its probably less damaging to the environment to start up an ICE than it is to use power from a brown coal power station to charge your EV up every night. in the US, a BEV is greener than a Prius unless you live in St Louis or Detroit  The big question I have wrt EV adoption is that charging only seems to work for people in single-family housing today, and the dream of a charger in every parking garage space will only work with massive grid upgrades
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Mar 9, 2020 14:31
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Powershift posted:Weird flex, but okay. FWIW, the friends i had who went through ECT only lost the memories around the time of the Therapy and forward for a few weeks/months. toplitzin fucked around with this message at 15:41 on Mar 9, 2020 |
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Mar 9, 2020 15:26
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Lol I gave three weeks notice and my replacement isn't starting until the week I'm gone. Come the 23rd there won't be a soul in this building that knows how to run payroll. I'm sure that will end well. Just gonna go ahead and make sure I pay out my remaining vacation myself before I go 
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Mar 9, 2020 15:53
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Rhyno posted:We have a new guy starting tomorrow named Raphael and I am hype because now we have all four Ninja Turtles in the building. You’re a nerd, and I like you for it. Applebees Appetizer posted:The EVs I want are still too expensive for me, so until they get cheaper it's ICE ICE baby This. A Leaf would be *almost* ideal for my commute. I’m not a fan (no pun intended) of the lack of active cooling on the battery pack. It gets mighty hot here in TX in the summer, and occasionally cold enough to affect the battery pack as well. Not that anything new is in my price range anyway. kastein posted:I'm seriously looking forward to electric swaps being as junkyard-able and cheap as LS swaps are now. Absolutely. Or even reasonably price turn-key “crate” power trains. I’d love for one of my RX-7s to hum in a different way. Ferremit posted:Coincidently, we have one of the Mitsi Outlander PHEVS at work- The ones that are a plug in hybrid. Nice to know that US companies and government don’t have a lock on stupid, I guess. T-Square posted:Lol I gave three weeks notice and my replacement isn't starting until the week I'm gone. Speaking of corporate stupidity. drat right you better get that done.
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Mar 9, 2020 16:22
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:i, for one, am excited to bail out the oil companies With as much faux concern as I can muster: BUT HOW ARE WE GOING TO PAY FOR IT? 
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Mar 9, 2020 16:23
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LloydDobler posted:With as much faux concern as I can muster: BUT HOW ARE WE GOING TO PAY FOR IT? Clearly the answer is to cut the CDC and all those bullshit social programs that welfare queens are sponging off us hardworking honest taxpayers with 
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Mar 9, 2020 16:27
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kastein posted:Clearly the answer is to cut the CDC and all those bullshit social programs that welfare queens are sponging off us hardworking honest taxpayers with Or maybe start with *not* building a $10B Wall.
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Mar 9, 2020 16:36
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Darchangel posted:This. I really thought i wanted a Bolt after I drove one but i just can't bring myself to spend that much money on a car. Especially when i can have a DD (xB) AND a toy (Miata, Jeep) for a good bit less than one Bolt costs. I just put a deposit down on the xB I've been looking for and after getting a Miata or Wrangler (still going back and forth on that one) I'll still be at under 20k for both cars which isn't bad.
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Mar 9, 2020 16:48
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Darchangel posted:Or maybe start with *not* building a $10B Wall. Wait you actually want to solve the problem, that's not allowed. Gotta just gently caress up the budget and then blame the poors.
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Mar 9, 2020 16:50
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kastein posted:I'm seriously looking forward to electric swaps being as junkyard-able and cheap as LS swaps are now. I can't wait. I'm gonna Leaf-swap every piece of FWD poo poo that comes across my desk.
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Mar 9, 2020 17:33
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Rhyno posted:The President has definitely been exposed to the Coronavirus. So maybe now something will actually get done. Yeah, something will be done for him. Everyone else will have to continue to fend for themselves. The plan continues to be "don't get sick, if you do get sick die quickly and preferably out of view." T-Square posted:Lol I gave three weeks notice and my replacement isn't starting until the week I'm gone. Do you have a form letter to the effect of "I will agree to wok as a consultant at a rate of $120/hour, minimum billing of four hours" for when they inevitably email or call you asking if you can
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Mar 9, 2020 18:01
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So my boss clued me in to the fact he'd opened up a full time position a few weeks back, and specifically told me he wanted me to apply for it immediately. It was originally posted for only a few days, which gave me the impression he'd posted it specifically for me. The day it was set to close, his boss came up to me and asked if I'd seen it. I said yeah, and that I'd applied. He mentioned he'd extended it, because "company policy" doesn't allow an opening to only be open for a week. That's EXACTLY what we do when we open a position for a specific person, damnit.  It officially closed yesterday, but it's still showing "under consideration" when I go to the status page (normally, unless they toggle something on the admin side, you automatically get a "thanks for applying, but no thanks" email the day the posting expires, unless you've been "hired"). Hopefully I hear back in the next day or two. I'll get medical in a few months either way, but I have noticed I'm getting scheduled 40 hours a week while some long time vets that never asked to be converted to FT are getting 32 (... they still wind up working 40, I've been working 46-50). Fingers crossed.  There was one other guy bitching about being lied to about FT in 3 months by old rear end in a top hat Grocery Manager, but he transferred in... uh, 3 months ago, and he's only been with the company 6 months total anyway, so I have a little more seniority.Elmnt80 posted:Oh, we're still gonna be paying $2+ a gallon in the US as oil companies try to soak up every dollar they can. I saw $1.84 earlier. 
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Mar 9, 2020 18:16
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STR posted:I saw $1.84 earlier. It's like $6+ per US gallon here so I don't wanna see any pissing and moaning from the US thankyouverymuch
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Mar 9, 2020 18:35
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Not pissing and moaning, I'm loving dancing over those prices, especially since Brokeback normally gets 15-16 MPG. Gotta love that <2 mile (each way) commute, and idling the car during my lunch break (2:30 AM) when it's a bit warm or cold out. I've broken 20 mpg once in it, and that was an all-highway tank (21.9 mpg). I bought it with ~142,500 miles 5 months ago, I just broke 146k. That's with off and on courier/delivery work too - that one highway tank was doing courier work for 6 hours. Speaking of, there's a particular fuel pump issue these cars are prone to having, and I'm wondering if mine is starting to show symptoms. There's an o-ring on the feed line at the pump that likes to blow out; it'll cause extended cranking when it gets particularly bad. I noticed right after buying it that it takes about 5 seconds of cranking to fire after sitting overnight (which I sort of expect, I don't expect it to hold pressure overnight, but 5 seconds is a little excessive), and it's gotten to where if it sits more than about 30 minutes, it takes about 5 seconds to fire up, and up to 7-8 seconds after sitting overnight. Luckily Dorman makes a repair kit that replaces the parts that cause the issue (o-ring and a metal cap), and I can get to the pump from the interior; it's more of an annoyance than anything. It's not going to cause a breakdown anytime soon, it'll just cause longer and longer crank times until it can no longer maintain enough pressure for WOT runs. When it blows out, it just lets the gas piss back into the tank.
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Mar 9, 2020 18:47
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Geoj posted:Yeah, something will be done for him. Everyone else will have to continue to fend for themselves. The plan continues to be "don't get sick, if you do get sick die quickly and preferably out of view." No because I can guarantee I'd have to hire an attorney or some poo poo to get them to actually pay me after the fact. After 5:00PM on the 20th I will be completely cutting off all contact with anyone working for this store and company.
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Mar 9, 2020 19:03
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kastein posted:Wait you actually want to solve the problem, that's not allowed. Gotta just gently caress up the budget and then blame the poors. Oh, my bad. What was I *thinking*?
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Mar 9, 2020 19:05
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T-Square posted:No because I can guarantee I'd have to hire an attorney or some poo poo to get them to actually pay me after the fact. After 5:00PM on the 20th I will be completely cutting off all contact with anyone working for this store and company. Good for you. 
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Mar 9, 2020 19:06
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Ferremit posted:True, but it’s still going to be a significant challenge to charge a vehicle in the middle of the Simpson Desert or on the Canning Stock Route, but those are very much an AU or African challenge. Elmnt80 posted:Depends on how you define civilization, but yeah there's quite a few stretches in the western US that would have quite a bit of trouble recharging unless nationwide charging stations are implemented. I moved from Illinois to Oregon last year and, out of curiosity, I checked if it would be possible do the drive in an EV. Tesla model 3 long range awd aero 18" (seemed like the best case?) can do it but it would take an extra 5 hours (36 instead of 31) but some of that time could probably be done at a hotel. The charging cost would be half as much as the gas my Fit used ($104 vs around $200) An I-Pace can make the trip but it would take an extra 18 hours (49 instead of 31) and cost more than twice as much as it did in my Fit ($472 vs around $200) A Leaf (newer one with the bigger battery) would take an extra 24 hours (55 instead of 31) but it would be cheaper ($153 vs around $200 ignoring the days in a hotel). I'm not saying that's a normal activity. I was just curious about how it would work with an EV. Also I made the trip in the winter so those numbers are probably optimistic for the EVs. I think I'm going to end up replacing my Fit with an EV at some point but I'm definitely still going to have a practical ICE vehicle (probably a Tacoma) for a long time. Galler fucked around with this message at 19:19 on Mar 9, 2020 |
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NitroSpazzz posted:I've had the i3 for a month, I can't ever see going back to a ICE for daily driver duties unless it's something stupid/fun. After driving nothing but the i3 for a month getting in my wife's Highlander felt....weird I guess, and wasteful in some strange way. I still love my inefficient, comparatively loud and fun ICE cars for the weekend but holy crap I'm loving the EV for boring commuter duty. Downside it does have me looking at buying a Tesla Model 3 or equivalent in 3-5 years. Same. Owned the volt a month now. Forever ruined not that it needed happening. Learned ICE sucks at an early age with nitro R/Cs. I did have to take it in to the dealer for an inverter/pcm update, they did it without any fights, cost me fuckall as its under warranty. My next bike will be electric. Seat Safety Switch posted:I can't wait. I'm gonna Leaf-swap every piece of FWD poo poo that comes across my desk. There's an entire voltec engine/trans on craigs here for $800, with the battery pack for $2500. Can't wait for kastein posted:I'm seriously looking forward to electric swaps being as junkyard-able and cheap as LS swaps are now. This. All the awesome shitboxes that are plagued by garbage class drivetrains fixed with modern quiet hardware. I *really* *really* want to diesel-electric-hybrid modify the donk. It's so not feasible as the fucker is already right at its stated gvr lmao and well, 20 thousand dollars to put 70-100kWh of tesla pack beneath the deck. Maybe i'll build the next truck around this idea from the ground up, and use a psd since electronics are easier to work with than oldschool injection pumps.
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