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With Dani Moonstar specifically hasn't she also interacted with some sort of generic Native American concept of an afterlife (as imagined by white writers in the 80s) quite a bit too?
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Does she even have valkyrie powers anymore? War of Realms made a big deal about all the valkyries being dead and Jane Foster being the last and only one. I know she got some valkyrie like powers by way of Hela but that more resembles it on a surface level. As for Layla, isn't she just a normal person now? It just looked like her younger self had powers because her adult self downloaded everything she knew into her child self.
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Mar 9, 2020 21:21
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No she also had resurrection
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Mar 9, 2020 21:31
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Mephisto calls Dani a "part-timer" over in the Jane Foster series 
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Mar 9, 2020 22:52
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Valkyrie has actually dealt with the mutant resurrection process as part of creating the Death of Death, a new cosmic avatar that tried to kill Death as she had lost meaning
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Mar 9, 2020 23:19
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oh, dani's over in valkyrie? guess i need to start reading that.
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Mar 10, 2020 17:37
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:oh, dani's over in valkyrie? guess i need to start reading that. She's only mentioned.
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Mar 10, 2020 23:17
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But it's still really worth reading.
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Mar 11, 2020 12:37
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New Mutants busting out with the century's best returning characters.
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Mar 11, 2020 13:52
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Leech defeated Artie in mutant bloodsport.
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Mar 11, 2020 15:12
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I know it's a throwaway gag but how would Leech and Artie even be on the island? Did Reed and Sue just up and forget they adopted them?
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Mar 11, 2020 16:02
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Cable #1, okay so Silver Samurai dunking on Wolverine was hilarious. Space Knights! Old Cable? Fun adventures with a sense of humor! Holy crap, I liked a Cable book!
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Mar 11, 2020 16:05
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hcreight posted:I know it's a throwaway gag but how would Leech and Artie even be on the island? Did Reed and Sue just up and forget they adopted them? Man, that makes Reed and Sue look even worse in FF/XM. "DON'T TAKE OUR KID!" "What about these minors you're in charge of? Can we have them?" "... who?"
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Mar 11, 2020 16:05
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I mean despite it being comicbookland where people are in two places at once, I sort of assumed that X-Men/FF was taking place slightly in the past, as Kate being dead is very much a big thing in the X books and yet she's a pretty major character in XMen/FF so, maybe Reed and Sue get over it by the end of it.
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Mar 11, 2020 16:15
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hcreight posted:I know it's a throwaway gag but how would Leech and Artie even be on the island? Did Reed and Sue just up and forget they adopted them? Nobody read Future Foundation. 
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Mar 11, 2020 16:27
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I did get a kick out of blink and nightcrawler pulling a draw, as well as dazzler beating jubilee.
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Mar 11, 2020 16:53
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What I got a kick out of was in X-Men, that Petra and Sway got brought back by the resurrection protocols. Those were two of the members of Gabriel's abortive X-Men team from Deadly Genesis. I think this is the third issue of anything that either of them have ever been in. Wanderer fucked around with this message at 18:07 on Mar 11, 2020 |
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Mar 11, 2020 18:03
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A co-worker purchased House of X hardcover and holy poo poo did I like it (I wasn't wild about the Ascension stuff, but in the end I thought it paid off.) Can I JUST read X-Men (Vol 5) will the continuing story make sense? I don't want to have to read like 17 different X books
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Mar 11, 2020 18:07
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SalTheBard posted:A co-worker purchased House of X hardcover and holy poo poo did I like it (I wasn't wild about the Ascension stuff, but in the end I thought it paid off.) Can I JUST read X-Men (Vol 5) will the continuing story make sense? I don't want to have to read like 17 different X books Some things tie over but honestly most of the books have been self-contained so far. X-Men specifically has been doing it's own thing other than a reference that Xavier makes in an issue about being assassinated which happened in an issue of X-Force. So yeah, jump it. X-Men rules, the Hickman-written New Mutants books have been great, and Marauders is awesome.
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Mar 11, 2020 18:44
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I love everything Hickman so thank you for the advice!
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The most recent X-Men issue does tie directly into the last New Mutants arc however.
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Mar 11, 2020 20:10
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Cable #1 was approximately seven billion times better than I expected it to be and I am entirely on board.
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Mar 11, 2020 21:43
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SalTheBard posted:A co-worker purchased House of X hardcover and holy poo poo did I like it (I wasn't wild about the Ascension stuff, but in the end I thought it paid off.) Can I JUST read X-Men (Vol 5) will the continuing story make sense? I don't want to have to read like 17 different X books (Hi Sal) if you like the Krakoa stuff I would read X-Men and then maybe Marauders (if you want more Krakoan politics) or X-Force (for individual’s interactions with Krakoa)
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Mar 11, 2020 21:56
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SalTheBard posted:A co-worker purchased House of X hardcover and holy poo poo did I like it (I wasn't wild about the Ascension stuff, but in the end I thought it paid off.) Can I JUST read X-Men (Vol 5) will the continuing story make sense? I don't want to have to read like 17 different X books Sandwolf posted:(Hi Sal) if you like the Krakoa stuff I would read X-Men and then maybe Marauders (if you want more Krakoan politics) or X-Force (for individual’s interactions with Krakoa) I would also add New Mutants, which became very relevant to X-Men with the most recent issue of X-Men. I would not read Fallen Angels, which is terrible, and Excalibur, which isn't bad per say, but also doesn't seem to have much if anything to do with any of the other books. (Which is in the fine tradition of Excalibur going back to Claremont and Davis, when you get right down to it.) Cable seems to be emerging from a plotline in an early issue of X-Men, and further is delightful, so I'd recommend that as well even if the case for relevance is somewhat dicier.
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I have a question (and maybe this has been answered already, if not, no biggie). Is the current X-Men run in it's own timeline (like for example Age of Apocalypse) or is this still the same X-Men timeline that started with X-Men #1? I was confused because the Life of Moira stuff makes me think that this is a new timeline, but I'm not 100% sure.
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SalTheBard posted:I have a question (and maybe this has been answered already, if not, no biggie). It seems to be the current, real Marvel continuity, and has been the entire time. The idea is that everything that happened in previous X-men continuity really happened, but some of it has been retconned into having different underlying reasons. Moira manipulated events, or convinced Charles to manipulate events (including possibly selectively editing his own memories) to ensure that the X-men would be in a position to exploit Krakoa at the moment that Moira predicted the Sentinel-tech tipping point would come. Also, props to X-men number 8 for reminding everyone that his name is Blackagar Boltagon. Old Kentucky Shark fucked around with this message at 22:38 on Mar 11, 2020 |
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SalTheBard posted:I have a question (and maybe this has been answered already, if not, no biggie). The current Moira Life (X) is what the "regular" Marvel timeline (or Universe 616) has been showing in comics for ever. Or at least that's the explanation we've got for now. This brings us lots of questions about the ramifications of Moira's other lives on the multiverse, the ethics of some of her decisions, what happens if she dies again or what happens if she dies and then dies again before her powers manifest, etc. Frankly, it's probably best to not think too hard about it.
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jng2058 posted:I would also add New Mutants, which became very relevant to X-Men with the most recent issue of X-Men. As someone who read the entire run of Fallen Angels it is indeed terrible but might have something to do with the upcoming Hellions, though I sincerely doubt it will actually be necessary. I actually do recommend Excalibur even though it on occasionally intersects with the rest of the X books because the story has really started to come into it's own and I am really digging the art style for some reason and the current take on Apocalypse (sorry, -=A=-).
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Old Kentucky Shark posted:Moira manipulated events, or convinced Charles to manipulate events (including possibly selectively editing his own memories) to ensure that the X-men would be in a position to exploit Krakoa at the moment that Moira predicted the Sentinel-tech tipping point would come. Still not sure about that last point given what we know now thanks to Mystique. Nothing in the text links the founding of Krakoa to the suicide mission and in fact the text says the opposite: Orchis was initiated in response to Krakoa, not the other way around. If Moira knew this then she purposely triggered Orchis, which she could have done another time if it was all a plot for them to show their hand.
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danbanana posted:The current Moira Life (X) is what the "regular" Marvel timeline (or Universe 616) has been showing in comics for ever. Or at least that's the explanation we've got for now. Oh ok I didn't know 616 was still a thing after Secret Wars! Thank you.
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SalTheBard posted:Oh ok I didn't know 616 was still a thing after Secret Wars! Thank you. I think management said they didn't want to call it that anymore but it still works as shorthand for the "regular" universe.
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SalTheBard posted:Oh ok I didn't know 616 was still a thing after Secret Wars! Thank you. Franklin Richards rebuilt the multiverse so the numbering's back in effect.
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LifeGetsWorser posted:As someone who read the entire run of Fallen Angels it is indeed terrible but might have something to do with the upcoming Hellions, though I sincerely doubt it will actually be necessary. Oh, I'm enjoying Excalibur as well, but the question was how many books do you need to read to keep up with X-Men? And those would be X-Men, X-Force, and New Mutants. Marauders, Cable, X-Men/Fantastic Four, and X-Men: Jean Grey and Emma Frost are all tangentially related and add value, and are good books as well, but aren't strictly speaking necessary. Excalibur and Wolverine are good books in their own right, but if you're looking for places to make cuts to keep to the "core story" these have to be considered skippable since they really don't impact anything else at all. Fallen Angels should be skipped both because it isn't relevant and because it sucks. 
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Dawgstar posted:Franklin Richards rebuilt the multiverse so the numbering's back in effect. Oh Christ wow I've missed a lot since Secret Wats
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Update: Vulcan never died That's some good poo poo and, as long as the documents can continue to be trusted, sets aside that speculation Krakoa did something to him (which I always hated as a notion). He had a traumatic experience, came home, found his brothers ready to welcome him with open arms, despite everything, and now spends half his time being a member of the family and half his time blasted out of his mind with his old team.
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SalTheBard posted:Oh Christ wow I've missed a lot since Secret Wats That was technically how secret wars ended. Franklin pretty much out everything back together the way it was as well as brought miles Morales and his family and friends into the 616
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danbanana posted:Still not sure about that last point given what we know now thanks to Mystique. Nothing in the text links the founding of Krakoa to the suicide mission and in fact the text says the opposite: Orchis was initiated in response to Krakoa, not the other way around. If Moira knew this then she purposely triggered Orchis, which she could have done another time if it was all a plot for them to show their hand. p. sure Moira's prior lives demonstrated to her that Orchis-or-something-like-it was inevitable, and the idea wasn't so much "Get everyone to Krakoa in order to trigger Orchis' foundation" and more "Orchis is coming no matter what we do, so Krakoa will put us into position to deal with that." I could be wrong, of course, but that's my read.
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Synesthesian Fetish posted:That was technically how secret wars ended. Franklin pretty much out everything back together the way it was as well as brought miles Morales and his family and friends into the 616 That last bit was Molecule Man, who greatly appreciated the week old gas station hamburger Miles carries in the pocket of his costume.
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