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Blockhouse posted:My favorite part of these comments is the guy who starts off being sort of sympathetic to Zak and then slowly realizes he's talking to a malignant narcissist
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Pundit partially cut ties because Zak still fronts as a leftist and therefore can't openly support things like gamergate, the way Pundit does.
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# ? Apr 12, 2020 17:31 |
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Nuns with Guns posted:Pundit partially cut ties because Zak still fronts as a leftist and therefore can't openly support things like gamergate, the way Pundit does. I actually think Zak doesn't do GG because GG rejected him back in the day.
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# ? Apr 12, 2020 17:40 |
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Nuns with Guns posted:Pundit partially cut ties because Zak still fronts as a leftist and therefore can't openly support things like gamergate, the way Pundit does. Pundit went full Trumpist too, didn't he? Odd that Zak Smith AKA Zak Sabbath AKA Zak S. doesn't identify more with Trump, seeing how they have so much in common (abusers who use their wealth to try and exert a chilling effect on criticism and who have absolutely bugshit online personas).
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# ? Apr 12, 2020 17:42 |
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Kemper Boyd posted:I actually think Zak doesn't do GG because GG rejected him back in the day. Not sure about that... given the kind of people who became leading voices for GG, I don't think it's possible to be rejected by them Warthur posted:Pundit went full Trumpist too, didn't he? Odd that Zak Smith AKA Zak Sabbath AKA Zak S. doesn't identify more with Trump, seeing how they have so much in common (abusers who use their wealth to try and exert a chilling effect on criticism and who have absolutely bugshit online personas). Yep, Pundit happily embraced the alt-right since it was a more mainstream version of exactly what he'd been espousing for years anyway.
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# ? Apr 12, 2020 17:56 |
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Nuns with Guns posted:Not sure about that... given the kind of people who became leading voices for GG, I don't think it's possible to be rejected by them This was like six? years back, but I distinctly remember GG'rs going all "why are you trying to drag us into your beefs" at Zak, which is nothing short of amazing.
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# ? Apr 12, 2020 18:09 |
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Nuns with Guns posted:Not sure about that... given the kind of people who became leading voices for GG, I don't think it's possible to be rejected by them Gamergate is a campaign based on: a) screaming about feminism Going Too Far, b) adamantly defending sexualised content in games, c) shaming people for sexual behaviour (real or imagined), and d) creating an Us and Them in the minds of its advocates, in which less-than-conservatives hairstyles or hair colours were very much framed as a characteristic of Them. This screwed Zak when it came to him engaging with GG. He was super-keen on b), but his past positions on a), c), and d) meant that there was no real prospect of him making any headway in that scene.
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# ? Apr 12, 2020 18:16 |
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Slimnoid posted:
loving av/post combo magic right here edit: here, so you don't all have to page back to find it:
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# ? Apr 12, 2020 18:34 |
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i look forward to his attempts to serve papers on twitter and SA user names
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# ? Apr 12, 2020 18:54 |
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That Old Tree posted:I could've sworn some Kickstarter collaborator of Zak's was like "look, I can't kick him out and I can't just scrap this whole thing, but I wash my hands of this bullshit and I'm sorry." I guess that wasn't this Evans guy, though? Or did he change his mind thanks to Zak's amazing ability to poo poo all over a comments section as if they were his pants? That was Patrick Stuart who got linked with the false machine stuff earlier I think.
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# ? Apr 12, 2020 19:29 |
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I wonder if he realizes that there are countries out there where you cannot just sue someone for being mean, but I'm sure he will figure out when he hires swarms of international lawyers all over the place to sue everyone on SA.
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Goons Are Great posted:I wonder if he realizes that there are countries out there where you cannot just sue someone for being mean, but I'm sure he will figure out when he hires swarms of international lawyers all over the place to sue everyone on SA. If he's wise, he'll step back, observe that trying to litigate everyone who's ever said anything mean to him is going to just going to increasing expand the circle of people talking about him making GBS threads himself in a Chick-fil-A as the least of his concerns for years if not the rest of his life, and quietly reassess his plans. ... Oh, right.
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# ? Apr 12, 2020 19:43 |
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Mors Rattus posted:i look forward to his attempts to serve papers on twitter and SA user names It's super funny because there are countries with absolute bullshit defamation laws, like obviously wherever Ettin lives and East Asia (where you can be sued for defamation for posting anything negative about anyone, even with verifiable proof that everything you said is 100% true), but those of us in the US? Good loving luck there, shitpants. The US sucks but in this particular instance, its laws are very good and correct.
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# ? Apr 12, 2020 19:47 |
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Tibalt posted:"They'll pay! They will ALL PAY! PAY FOR WHAT THEY DID TO ME!" Bold of you to assume this is happening in a bathroom.
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# ? Apr 12, 2020 20:01 |
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I can't recall what thread I read it in, but someone suggested that this thread should go on a forum tour, ala the chickencheese thread of yore. I think it's only fair to everyone involved that everyone see Ettin's apology and to find out that Zak S/Zak Sabbath/Zak Smith is a litigious rapist and pant shitter. That in fact reminds me that there was a GBS thread that involved Zak posing as his ex that everyone shouted him down in? Doe anyone else recall that one? Edit: also here's a link to said ex's gofundme page. https://www.gofundme.com/f/gxywr5-legal-funds Zak is suing her for talking about how he abused her. S.D. fucked around with this message at 20:05 on Apr 12, 2020 |
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when says accountability he doesn't just mean lawsuits, obviously, only an utter fool would think that.quote:It's wild that you think after all this time I don't know how much lawsuits cost.
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S.D. posted:I can't recall what thread I read it in, but someone suggested that this thread should go on a forum tour, ala the chickencheese thread of yore. I think it's only fair to everyone involved that everyone see Ettin's apology and to find out that Zak S/Zak Sabbath/Zak Smith is a litigious rapist and pant shitter. As soon as this hits CSPAM, this thread will explode.
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# ? Apr 12, 2020 20:10 |
Oh no! My criminal record!
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# ? Apr 12, 2020 20:11 |
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Kemper Boyd posted:This was like six? years back, but I distinctly remember GG'rs going all "why are you trying to drag us into your beefs" at Zak, which is nothing short of amazing. Warthur posted:I think it's more a case that Zak had built his reputation on D&D With Porn Stars, and put a lot of energy into being the cool quasi-feminist gamer who did alt-porn and who knew how to relate to the titular Porn Stars way better than typical gamer dorks would because he was just that much of a cool sex-positive feminist (where "sex-positive feminism" is redefined as "feminism which does not criticise the type of art I make or the industry I work in for any reason", and all other flavours of feminism - sex-positive or otherwise - is redefined as Tipper Gore bullshit). That's fair, I could see him washing out because he tried to Personal Army it or just didn't fit in well enough. S.D. posted:I can't recall what thread I read it in, but someone suggested that this thread should go on a forum tour, ala the chickencheese thread of yore. I think it's only fair to everyone involved that everyone see Ettin's apology and to find out that Zak S/Zak Sabbath/Zak Smith is a litigious rapist and pant shitter. That GBS thread actually kind of sucked and the attention it gave Zak led to him starting another round of harassment on people he's already driven off the forums. Zak didn't post in that though, it was GBS 2.0 posters "laughing" at a post Zak probably wrote under Mandy's name on Mandy's tumblr about being a chainmail bikini feminist and how SA sucks, with proof of this being a screenshot of a post from a gassed GBS 2.0 thread where a poster said "looks like that whore got n****red". Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if he posted that in hopes he could bait some of the shittier subforums into validating assertions that SA are nothing but hateful trolls whose complaints against him are nothing but smears from jealous reactionaries. Nuns with Guns fucked around with this message at 20:23 on Apr 12, 2020 |
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Yeah the GBS thread and associated fallout is a loving strong argument that this thread should stay put instead of just digging up more harassment for people who don't even post here anymore.
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# ? Apr 12, 2020 20:30 |
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As a Canadian I would like to say I certainly hope nothing bad happens to Zak. I really hope nobody does anything bad to him, up to and including causing him injuries incompaitable with life. I, in all good faith hope that he doesn't contract Covid-19, and die from complications. It would be very bad if a deragned former associate where to do something to him.
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# ? Apr 12, 2020 21:19 |
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One of the funniest Zak Smith pathologies is his inability to back down from a fight but his desire to seem above it all so he replies to every single comment with some copypasta to show how not mad he is. He could literally just be quiet and let it all go away, or express even fake contrition to assure the fence-sitters, but no, goddamnit, the world HAS RULES and YOU MUST ABIDE BY THE RULES and I DEFINE WHAT THE RULES ARE. It's also the clearest tell that someone is a Zak sockpuppet because he's literally incapable of suppressing this behavior, for whatever reason. No wonder all his RPGs suck. Dragonmaw fucked around with this message at 22:01 on Apr 12, 2020 |
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I honestly have to wonder what sort of hosed up thought process you need to try to lawyer people into thinking you're cool, and also think anyone would ever "sign a legal document" for anything besides like contracts. Though the latter is probably just another attempt to bully people into silence, it would be much funnier if Zak was just constantly pestering his lawyer with requests for "legal documents" writing up his every opinion and statement.
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Terrible Opinions posted:I honestly have to wonder what sort of hosed up thought process you need to try to lawyer people into thinking you're cool, and also think anyone would ever "sign a legal document" for anything besides like contracts. Though the latter is probably just another attempt to bully people into silence, it would be much funnier if Zak was just constantly pestering his lawyer with requests for "legal documents" writing up his every opinion and statement. Like, wouldn't it better to be able to enjoy your revenge, Zak?
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# ? Apr 12, 2020 22:28 |
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He's a trust fund baby, consequences happen to OTHER people.
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# ? Apr 12, 2020 22:29 |
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Dragonmaw posted:He could literally just be quiet and let it all go away, or express even fake contrition to assure the fence-sitters, but no, goddamnit, the world HAS RULES and YOU MUST ABIDE BY THE RULES and I DEFINE WHAT THE RULES ARE. His games are also super violent and sexually charged. There's a lot to unpack here. Froghammer fucked around with this message at 22:38 on Apr 12, 2020 |
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Froghammer posted:He also, shockingly, is super into playing games that involve pretend worlds that he's in charge of where the rules are frighteningly rigid and inflexible and he harbors an intense hatred for people who prefer games with looser rules. Ugh, I really hate those kinds of players. Just in general. Like, if you're not OK with the DM fudging some dice so that they can tell a better story, gtfo.
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# ? Apr 12, 2020 22:52 |
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He still holds a grudge about "Storygamers", which is a split in the hobby that was mostly resolved 5ish years ago when streaming blew up and it became obvious to everyone important that the most important aspect an RPG can have is ability to tell a good story because that's the easiest part of the game to monetize. Zak Smith is a fractally awful human being. The more you look at him, the worse he gets.
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# ? Apr 12, 2020 23:06 |
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Froghammer posted:He still holds a grudge about "Storygamers", which is a split in the hobby that was mostly resolved 5ish years ago when streaming blew up and it became obvious to everyone important that the most important aspect an RPG can have is ability to tell a good story because that's the easiest part of the game to monetize. You think the likes of Critical Role's success just eats up poo poo lord OSR guys?
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# ? Apr 12, 2020 23:36 |
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Froghammer posted:He still holds a grudge about "Storygamers", which is a split in the hobby that was mostly resolved 5ish years ago when streaming blew up and it became obvious to everyone important that the most important aspect an RPG can have is ability to tell a good story because that's the easiest part of the game to monetize. Goddamn what an idiot. I mean, I loving love crunchy systems that are as intuitive as a square doorknob as much as the next guy. poo poo, my prefered tabletop is goddamned battletech. THACO makes intuitive sense to me at this point. But if you don't have a good story all of that is just kind of dumb, and if you need to fudge some poo poo to make the story work so be it. I mean, what the gently caress are you playing an RPG for if not the story? Like, at that point just go hang out with the tabletop nerds.
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# ? Apr 13, 2020 00:02 |
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Imo a tabletop RPG is basically a collaborative storytelling exercise, with rules and rolls as a form of creative constraint + a way to throw a wrench in your story and make you adapt I'm a pretty casual player so forgive me if this is like a touchy subject in TG
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# ? Apr 13, 2020 00:04 |
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alnilam posted:Imo a tabletop RPG is basically a collaborative storytelling exercise, with rules and rolls as a form of creative constraint + a way to throw a wrench in your story and make you adapt this is a good take that simultaneously would get the aforementioned zak s loving pissed at you and shouting that you are an imbecile destroying the hobby (it's not true for all RPGs, but it's a valid way to play with very good systems that work like that)
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# ? Apr 13, 2020 00:09 |
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Sorry for destroying the hobby everyone i hope nobody's pants were destroyed in the process
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# ? Apr 13, 2020 00:15 |
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alnilam posted:Imo a tabletop RPG is basically a collaborative storytelling exercise, with rules and rolls as a form of creative constraint + a way to throw a wrench in your story and make you adapt The super, super stripped down version of this discussion involves GNS Theory: RPGs are balance of Gamism (the degree to which your game resembles a game, with all the trappings that games bring), Narrativism (the degree to which your game is capable of generating interesting stories), and Simulationism (the degree to which your game is "realistic"). In theory these are elements that should be working in harmony, but in practice they're usually at odds; introducing a mechanic or idea geared towards enhancing one of these elements commonly comes at the expense of one of the other two. Instant death spells, for example, are a staple of fantasy fiction and all but expected in the genre, but usually make for poor game balance (if they're bad they're useless, if they're good then combat tends to revolve around them). There's a strong faction of the RPG community that adheres to Gamism so strongly that they think that an RPG that can't be won or lost in the traditional sense isn't really a game, just an exercise in mutual masturbation. These people are no fun to talk to.
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Froghammer posted:
These people need to just play tabletop games. I'm not even being snarky to talking poo poo. I do both. Tabletop poo poo can be a load of fun and really scratches that "crush your friend into dust over beers" itch. But the people who are looking for that in their weekend D&D session are in-loving-sufferable and always end up being the person in the group that everyone wants to get rid of. edit: I should clarify tabletop strat games. Think WH40k, Battletech, etc.
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Warthur posted:Pundit went full Trumpist too, didn't he? Odd that Zak Smith AKA Zak Sabbath AKA Zak S. doesn't identify more with Trump, seeing how they have so much in common (abusers who use their wealth to try and exert a chilling effect on criticism and who have absolutely bugshit online personas). Trump runs on a Republican ticket and Zak S doesn't like Republicans because they'll take away his demon titties. Warthur posted:This screwed Zak when it came to him engaging with GG. He was super-keen on b), but his past positions on a), c), and d) meant that there was no real prospect of him making any headway in that scene. ...which is why he created a harassment blog where he could use a paper-thin veneer of anonymity to mock Anita Sarkeesian for thinking maybe we should reflect more on why there's so many demon titties in video games.
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Froghammer posted:There's a strong faction of the RPG community that adheres to Gamism so strongly that they think that an RPG that can't be won or lost in the traditional sense isn't really a game, just an exercise in mutual masturbation. These people are no fun to talk to. Yeah, that's one of the first red flags for me when talking TTRPGS with someone. The idea of 'winning' at D&D is laughable, given the DM can win at any time they choose by simply upping difficulties or adding monsters arbitrarily.
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Liquid Communism posted:Yeah, that's one of the first red flags for me when talking TTRPGS with someone. The idea of 'winning' at D&D is laughable, given the DM can win at any time they choose by simply upping difficulties or adding monsters arbitrarily. As one of my old DMs used to say "rocks fall, everyone dies, get out of my house"
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Liquid Communism posted:Yeah, that's one of the first red flags for me when talking TTRPGS with someone. The idea of 'winning' at D&D is laughable, given the DM can win at any time they choose by simply upping difficulties or adding monsters arbitrarily. This is why the good edition of D&D has encounter budgets (and ones that actually work) though. The mark of good rules is that you don't have to fudge them. Cyrano4747 posted:These people need to just play tabletop games. D&D is a tabletop strategy game. vv
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anyways GNS theory, while broadly correct in terms of identifying the competing design pressures in traditional RPGs, was invented by a Simulationist to defend Simulationism as the one true way, when in fact virtually everything wrong with D&D comes from the obsession with simulation meanwhile Narrative and Gamist design principles aren't actually at odds, as long as you accept that rules exist to shape narrative and that fudging rules is game design, not game mastery, and if you have to do it in order to realize the goals of the game then the designer has failed all of which is a fascinating subject that i could talk about for hours, but also a pretty major derail from this thread about how Zak S. is a rapist
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