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Stux posted:i mean the point in spec ops the line is literally to say to the player "stop playing" thats the option youre given spec ops isn't commentary about the player, it's commentary about the genre and US foreign policy there is never a point where you are supposed to stop playing also spec ops is still a good game 
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Terminal autist posted:I mean tbf a lot of Gamers in this very thread are still grappling with the concept that a protagonist has to be a good guy No, it's ok to play as old Kratos to a point, but it would be kind of tonally weird to shift to playing Sephiroth right after he ninjas Aeris
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Apr 28, 2020 18:26
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Nail Rat posted:I just hope the game has Abby working out to The Best Around while drinking Fight Milk in a montage flashback It's the Last! Of Uuuuus! Joel's gonna get hit by a truck It's the Last! Of Uuuuus! Lots of people think it sucks
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Apr 28, 2020 18:29
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Amy Hennig has a legendary track record of every single studio she was ever part of completely making GBS threads the bed the instant she leaves
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I will complain about Abby being buff only if the game refuses to take advantage of it by not allowing you to falcon punch, suplex, and roundhouse kick zombies resident evil style
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Apr 28, 2020 18:30
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I feel like they could pull off having abby as the protagonist if she was the player character from the very beginning of the game. Have the game be entirely from her perspective.
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Apr 28, 2020 18:30
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CharlestonJew posted:I will complain about Abby being buff only if the game refuses to take advantage of it by not allowing you to falcon punch, suplex, and roundhouse kick zombies resident evil style She should play exactly like Wesker from Mercenaries
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CharlestonJew posted:I will complain about Abby being buff only if the game refuses to take advantage of it by not allowing you to falcon punch, suplex, and roundhouse kick zombies resident evil style also this. make her leon with all of the campy quips
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Stux posted:yeah one is about oil induced crisis and wars leading to a post-apocalyptic setting, which in the film specifically takes place in the australian desert, a place that is entirely barren and unfit to sustain the amount of food resources required for multiple different body builders to exist, and the other is about the cordyceps fungus spreading to humans creating zombies that click at you. mad max is about driving supercharged v8s, fighting motorcycle gangs in assless chaps and giant dudes being controlled by midgets tlou is bleak and relatively grounded + mushroom zombies the argument isn't that women can't be jacked or strong, it's everyone looked like a regular person in tlou1 and now they introduce a new character that looks like a pro athlete on roids personally I don't care that much but acting surprised that people notice or question it feels disingenuous
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Speaking of Kratos, this has probably already been said, but even though I think the "cycle of revenge" thing could be framed better...why? Dad of War loving nailed the hollowness of a cycle of revenge as far as videogame level plots go. They got it perfect. You can't do it better. I know they started writing before they knew about that game but talk about poor timing. You can't follow that act up Neil. They made loving Kratos a remorseful and sympathetic character.
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I'm trying to think of how other famous games, shows, and so on would go if they pulled a TLOU 2 and had you follow a random person you don't know after they kill someone the audience is already sympathetic towards. Like, imagine if in Breaking Bad, the show followed around that one dude that was an informant for the DEA for an episode, got your sympathies for this man trying to break out of drug peddling and who probably regrets getting his cousin arrested, while Walt and Jesse are just side characters for a bit. Then they gas him, Walt takes him to a basement, and then murders the guy and dissolves him in acid, and THEN the show starts following Walt around. It'd be the most baffling two episodes of TV anyone has ever seen.
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SunAndSpring posted:I'm trying to think of how other famous games, shows, and so on would go if they pulled a TLOU 2 and had you follow a random person you don't know after they kill someone the audience is already sympathetic towards. Like, imagine if in Breaking Bad, the show followed around that one dude that was an informant for the DEA for an episode, got your sympathies for this man trying to break out of drug peddling and who probably regrets getting his cousin arrested, while Walt and Jesse are just side characters for a bit. Then they gas him, Walt takes him to a basement, and then murders the guy and dissolves him in acid, and THEN the show starts following Walt around. It'd be the most baffling two episodes of TV anyone has ever seen. I'll be honest you just described something that sounds incredibly rad.
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SunAndSpring posted:I'm trying to think of how other famous games, shows, and so on would go if they pulled a TLOU 2 and had you follow a random person you don't know after they kill someone the audience is already sympathetic towards. Like, imagine if in Breaking Bad, the show followed around that one dude that was an informant for the DEA for an episode, got your sympathies for this man trying to break out of drug peddling and who probably regrets getting his cousin arrested, while Walt and Jesse are just side characters for a bit. Then they gas him, Walt takes him to a basement, and then murders the guy and dissolves him in acid, and THEN the show starts following Walt around. It'd be the most baffling two episodes of TV anyone has ever seen. that sounds pretty cool if done well tbh
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also metal gear solid 2, sort of pulling off a protagonist switch is really hard so i'm interested to see how TLOU2 does it
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Terminal autist posted:I mean tbf a lot of Gamers in this very thread are still grappling with the concept that a protagonist has to be a good guy You can have progagonists that aren't good guys, but you still have to have them give some connection to the reader/player/watcher which gives them a reason to want to see them succeed. Kratos has been brought up and that's about as good as video games get with a progagonist who's also not a good guy. Taking control of Abby after she already tortured and exectuted Joel and then later shows glee at the idea of murdering a pregnant woman is uh... not a way to endear a protagonist to the player.
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am0kgonzo posted:mad max is about driving supercharged v8s, fighting motorcycle gangs in assless chaps and giant dudes being controlled by midgets youre arguing the title with the made up zombies is less grounded while also apparently saying mad max films arent bleak which is a wild swing to take lol most of the people in tlou1 are pretty physically fit. noticeably. especially the enemy humans, and joel is in good shape and his physique doesnt change from the time skip at all. she doesnt look like shes on roids unless you have literally no concept of how humans work. people notice and question because of gross reasons because if it was a guy literally no one would mention it, and its never a knock against any post-apoc settings, which with shocking regularity use extremely large buff men as characters.
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Cnidaria posted:I feel like they could pull off having abby as the protagonist if she was the player character from the very beginning of the game. Really I feel this wouldn't even help a lot if the reveal was still "You killed my dumb dad working for the super lovely group" like, okay sorry your dad was working with the douchebag militia who's 0 - 5 on cutting out people's brains for a cure, who were likely to be 0 - 6 after cutting out this next child's brain and who were gonna dump the guy who did literally all their work for them into the wilderness with nothing to die, while they've done a lot of nothing other than get their asses blown out, but Joel was right and you suck now too. Making it about "You killed the bunch of horrible assholes who my family were a part of!" is a really good way to make me stop caring about avenging your family at all.
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Dewgy posted:I'll be honest you just described something that sounds incredibly rad.  well maybe the Breaking Bad people could pull it off better than the dude that replaced Amy Hennig
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Krazy 8 is actually in BCS (and shows how he got to be an informant) and he is more sympathetic. But obviously this is after the fact.
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Yardbomb posted:Really I feel this wouldn't even help a lot if the reveal was still "You killed my dumb dad working for the super lovely group" like, okay sorry your dad was working with the douchebag militia who's 0 - 5 on cutting out people's brains for a cure, who were likely to be 0 - 6 after cutting out this next child's brain and who were gonna dump the guy who did literally all their work for them into the wilderness with nothing to die, while they've done a lot of nothing other than get their asses blown out, but Joel was right and you suck now too. Making it about "You killed the bunch of horrible assholes who my family were a part of!" is a really good way to make me stop caring about avenging your family at all. Which is why I think the correct approach is to have it entirely from abby's perspective. She thinks the fireflies are good so show them doing good initially. Have the game be her realizing that they were mistaken and siding with ellie in the end
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Man, The Evil Within 2 was a lot of fun, replayed it not that long ago because I remembered they put the FPS mode into the game, which was a really cool shtick for a return playthrough.
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Stux posted:me to the poster dying on the hill of "woman cant be buff in zombie game": walk away. just walk away. I definitely don't care enough to die on any hill concerning the topic of The Last of Us II other than it's looking like a pretty bad game  I suppose Abby being ripped as hell makes sense from the perspective of why she's able to easily kick the poo poo out of literally everyone else in the story. But yeah I don't personally give a poo poo, I get why people pointed it out but like I said it's a video game, about zombies. I suppose Joel looks pretty built too but it's harder to judge since you don't see him with a short-sleeve or no shirt. Which is also why the Mad Max comparisons are just dumb. Joel, unfortunately, doesn't get to ride the wastelands wearing leather fetish gear
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Yardbomb posted:Man, The Evil Within 2 was a lot of fun, replayed it not that long ago because I remembered they put the FPS mode into the game, which was a really cool shtick for a return playthrough. I desperately hope there's a 3vil Within someday, Sebastian is a great character and both games were super fun to play. They're seriously almost as good as RE4 imo
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Oxxidation posted:nier automata did it, sort of Basically any time Naughty Dog or Quantic Dream think they're doing something groundbreaking narratively, a Japanese designer did it years ago with a third of the budget
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Complete QTE brain surgery on Ellie minigame to unlock Secret Good Ending.
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Terminal autist posted:Did anyone confirm if abby is trans or was that just a rumor I've wanted to know this too, but unfortunately it seems way too hard to get a factual say on whether that's real or not, but at the moment I'm gonna go with miserable bigots trying to force hatred again.
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Terminal autist posted:Did anyone confirm if abby is trans or was that just a rumor I think it's insanely unlikely and just gamers being gamers
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Yardbomb posted:I've wanted to know this too, but unfortunately it seems way too hard to get a factual say on whether that's real or not, but at the moment I'm gonna go with miserable bigots trying to force hatred again. She's buff, and people are dumb as hell. That's the source of the rumor.
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CharlestonJew posted:I will complain about Abby being buff only if the game refuses to take advantage of it by not allowing you to falcon punch, suplex, and roundhouse kick zombies resident evil style Punch a dumpster into position to get across a river
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Yardbomb posted:Really I feel this wouldn't even help a lot if the reveal was still "You killed my dumb dad working for the super lovely group" like, okay sorry your dad was working with the douchebag militia who's 0 - 5 on cutting out people's brains for a cure, who were likely to be 0 - 6 after cutting out this next child's brain and who were gonna dump the guy who did literally all their work for them into the wilderness with nothing to die, while they've done a lot of nothing other than get their asses blown out, but Joel was right and you suck now too. Making it about "You killed the bunch of horrible assholes who my family were a part of!" is a really good way to make me stop caring about avenging your family at all. Oxxidation posted:lol here's yet another chump who didn't understand the first game's ending
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I will say this, if - and it's a giant if - the game pulls off the protagonist switch, I'll be seriously impressed. It just seems suuuuuper unlikely.
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Dewgy posted:She's buff, and people are dumb as hell. That's the source of the rumor. I think it was literally started entirely by /v/ seeing a screenshot of Abby in the cutscene where she kills Joel with a golf club, deciding that her frame was masculine because of the shirt she's wearing and running with it because it's obviously more amusing to them that way. It had absolutely no basis in reality, but since a lot of the leaks were first disseminated from /v/ you got TERFs on Twitter and elsewhere also peddling it now, especially in context of the scene where Ellie and Dina are almost killed. Because of course.
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Ruflux posted:I suppose Joel looks pretty built too but it's harder to judge since you don't see him with a short-sleeve or no shirt. I got you fam. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIa-AKax2xw&t=31s For just $150 you too can roll up Joel's sleeves
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