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I didn't feel like I was the intended audience for SpecOps so I felt kind of detached from what it was trying to do. Generally speaking when I play narrative video games I don't really "see myself" in the protagonist so much as I participate in the retelling of a story.
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Firstborn posted:You really said the music is bad in TLOU? You think Gustavo Santaolalla is making "generic Avengers music"? Thanks, that was a pro click. I had no idea Gustavo went that far with composing the first game’s music but it makes a ton of sense in retrospect. Panzeh posted:The Last of Us is at its best when it puts you in situations with like 2 bullets, a shotgun shell, a board and you have to fight six human enemies. I think that's pretty solid gameplay and certainly not just uncharted redux. The game doesn't always do this, though, and especially it never really does this on the lower difficulty settings. Agreed, the gameplay comes together in higher difficulty settings. Your inventory becomes very tight and being stealthy + running away from fights is no longer optional.
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i must compose posted:I really don't get why people like spec ops so much. I mean it's a cool idea and it's a good story but the gameplay is trash. If you took away the story and just played the game it would be like a forgotten bargain bin game. yeah its almost like the story part is important to the game or something
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May 1, 2020 17:32
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i must compose posted:I mean it's a cool idea and it's a good story but the gameplay is trash. If you took away the story and just played the game it would be like a forgotten bargain bin game. But enough about TLOU
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May 1, 2020 17:38
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Hard with most of the UI turned off and Grounded are some of the most fun I've had in a third person shooter. The game's systems work incredibly well at forcing you to stretch out incredibly limited resources and your toolset without actually being unfair.
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May 1, 2020 17:42
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TLOU also doesn't tell you massive amounts of stuff, like that bottles make more noise than bricks, that having a brick in hand can let you stealth kill a Clicker, etc. Most modern games would have a popup about every single one of those things
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May 1, 2020 18:38
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Maybe this is what the next Battlefield or Call of Duty game need. Playing through most of it with bad aim, 3 bullets, a glass bottle and a brick. Also encourage you to trade the bullets for food to add a bit of Pathologic to the formula.
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May 1, 2020 18:44
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Sassy Sasquatch posted:Thanks, that was a pro click. I had no idea Gustavo went that far with composing the first game’s music but it makes a ton of sense in retrospect. Gustavo fuckin' owns and honestly it looks like that E3 performance is gonna be the best thing to emerge from the sequel, smh at all the people on streams at that time going "who is this old dude"
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May 1, 2020 19:10
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RevolverDivider posted:Hard with most of the UI turned off and Grounded are some of the most fun I've had in a third person shooter. The game's systems work incredibly well at forcing you to stretch out incredibly limited resources and your toolset without actually being unfair. yeah it doesn't do a whole lot of different things but what it does it does really really well and I'm replaying the game atm and the takes itt on joel as some inhuman monster are straight up garbage
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May 1, 2020 19:11
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May 1, 2020 19:19
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Zeta Acosta posted:they straight up glenn-ed poor Joel Careful apparently this stuff isn't allowed Edit: Ah NM, you removed already.
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May 1, 2020 19:21
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The only TLOU music I remember was the track that plays on the title screen but I remember that track owning
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Zeta Acosta posted:i really liked the spit and the pendejo at the end, really thought provoking lmao
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May 1, 2020 19:28
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am0kgonzo posted:yeah it doesn't do a whole lot of different things but what it does it does really really well joel can be both a monsterous person and humanised, thats the point of the games writing and why the writing isnt garbage: it manages to do exactly that very well.
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May 1, 2020 19:29
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Stux posted:joel can be both a monsterous person and humanised, thats the point of the games writing and why the writing isnt garbage: it manages to do exactly that very well. there are two wolves inside of you, one is saying i like joel, the other is saying joel totally has this coming
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May 1, 2020 19:34
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exquisite tea posted:I didn't feel like I was the intended audience for SpecOps so I felt kind of detached from what it was trying to do. Generally speaking when I play narrative video games I don't really "see myself" in the protagonist so much as I participate in the retelling of a story. Spec Ops has always felt to me like a game that was meant to be played by someone else. If you are the kind of person who loves post-modern twists in games, an apparently mid shelf shoot mans isn't high on your list in the year of Dishonored, Journey, Mass Effect, X-Com, Dear Esther etc. So someone has to tell you "no, it's good actually" and then vaguely spoil the twist to get you to play. If you are a shootmans fan who can't get enough of shootmans, maybe you play the game after getting done with Battlefield 3, Halo 4, Call of Duty: Black Ops II, Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon: Future Soldier. I think the main function of the game was for self-superior people in the first camp imagining people in the second camp playing the game and having their minds blown.
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May 1, 2020 20:03
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I could have sworn that Bear McReary did the music, since TLOU came out during that period of time when he did the soundtrack for literally everything (not that he isn't great at it!)
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May 1, 2020 20:18
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precision posted:I could have sworn that Bear McReary did the music, since TLOU came out during that period of time when he did the soundtrack for literally everything (not that he isn't great at it!) You're thinking of his work on the other grumpy murder dad game, God of War
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May 1, 2020 20:22
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Dewgy posted:This was absolutely a decision informed by years of other developers trying to do it in other ways. Having the NPC followers be invisible is one of the best possible ways to handle an uncontrollable AI partner, and if there’s one thing the decade before TLOU taught us it’s that escort missions completely suck. They essentially took the stealth segments of all the previous Uncharted titles and built an entire game around them, except the stealth is really bad and the AI is super hit and miss when it comes to awareness and movement. And of course it has forced gunfights and doors on the critical path that open up with 3-5 armed goons rushing out, just like Uncharted regularly does. It's good that they kept the passive companions at least - because having to babysit them in a game like this would've been a nightmare. But hey, at least it isn't the stealth stuff from Uncharted 4. Just thinking of it makes me wonder if TLOU2 is gonna be even worse in that regard.
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May 1, 2020 20:25
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Replaying TLOU, I hope they do away with the magic listening ability, if only because it reveals enemies appearing out of thin air constantly. Why give me the ability to count and track every enemy in this combat arena if seven more appear and aggro on me when I cross some invisible line that triggers the next scripted sequence?
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May 1, 2020 21:07
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The posts about taking the story out of a game are pretty disingenuous, you can't play spec ops without the story the same way that playing an rpg without story is just some rando killing animals for 40 hours. I thought the last of us had a decent story, and the complaint about ellie being invisible to enemies is fine. I'd take that over brothers in arms for example where they'll happily stand in the open and get completely merked.
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May 1, 2020 21:37
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ilmucche posted:The posts about taking the story out of a game are pretty disingenuous, quote:HBO, PlayStation announce Last of Us TV series—the “first of many shows” (I know this is unfair)
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May 1, 2020 21:50
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Druckmann is probably eager to see real actors begging for mercy before having their eyes gouged out
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I hope Neil tags his weapon balance guys into the liveleak brainstorm sessions this time, this shotgun is loving terrible.
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Sassy Sasquatch posted:Your critique gave me a good laugh so I won’t hold it against you but man you’re insane. Joel basically holds Ellie responsible for Tess’ death and acts like an rear end in a top hat toward her for a big chunk of the game. He only mellows after she basically saves his rear end multiple times: I sort of feel like you and a lot of other people who don't agree with me feel like focusing on one point is a tremendous own or something. I even said that I don't really remember how that part goes (because I find them to be very forgettable characters). On a related note, you seem to be putting words into my mouth when you say "garbage" straight out of a marvel movie. It's really hard to respond to arguments when people are inventing their own! The marvel movie soundtracks aren't actively bad. They're extremely forgettable and generic. Which describes TLoU's soundtrack pretty well. It's not bad, but picking random of snippets of music isn't going to make people go "Ahh, the Last of Us soundtrack!" as much as a lot of really memorable pieces. Like everything else I've said, you can disagree. I know it's a big Gamer things to take critique of something people like as a personal attack, but it's really not. If you like it, that's cool. Personally, I've played a lot of games and heard a lot of game music and TLoU's soundtrack just doesn't have character to it. precision posted:Not very bright are ya lol
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expand on how the game could improve on showing not telling
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:Druckmann is probably eager to see real actors begging for mercy before having their eyes gouged out I'm reading about this Neil Druckmann guy and he sounds kind of cool? I mean, Nadine was the best part about Uncharted 4 for me and the stories that I am reading about him trying his best to include more women characters that kind of go against gamer wants is awesome.
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Cuntellectual posted:I know it's a big Gamer things to take critique of something people like as a personal attack, but it's really not. I feel like you're doing that way more than anyone else though sooooooooo
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blackguy32 posted:I'm reading about this Neil Druckmann guy and he sounds kind of cool? I mean, Nadine was the best part about Uncharted 4 for me and the stories that I am reading about him trying his best to include more women characters that kind of go against gamer wants is awesome. he drove a female women out of the studio, silenced and fired a woman who suffered sexual abuse and put his studio through crunch hell for this game lol at this arrrrrr gamers crap out of 2012
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May 1, 2020 23:36
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Zeta Acosta posted:he drove a female women out of the studio, silenced and fired a woman who suffered sexual abuse and put his studio through crunch hell for this game your time is better spent not engaging with black fishmech
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Cuntellectual posted:I sort of feel like you and a lot of other people who don't agree with me feel like focusing on one point is a tremendous own or something. I even said that I don't really remember how that part goes (because I find them to be very forgettable characters). Most of your post is pedantic nonsense - saying something like "The game is called the Last of Us, why are there more than two humans left????" is the same criticism as someone going "I thought The Road was going to be about a road???" or expecting Children of Men to be set in a kindergarten full of making GBS threads toddlers. And obviously the game inspired enough of a reaction in you that you're drafting
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May 1, 2020 23:42
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Zeta Acosta posted:he drove a female women out of the studio, silenced and fired a woman who suffered sexual abuse and put his studio through crunch hell for this game I have not read about any of this. Uncharted 4 was in 2016 my dude. Not everyone needs to have the same perspective as you, and for me, some of it is personal because I have run into quite a few toxic racist gamers. I also see some of that bullshit swelling up with this game. Oxxidation posted:your time is better spent not engaging with black fishmech What the gently caress kind of post is this? Who or what the hell is a fishmech?
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May 1, 2020 23:46
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Zeta Acosta posted:he drove a female women out of the studio, silenced and fired a woman who suffered sexual abuse and put his studio through crunch hell for this game Unless there's another one, the person who filed the sexual harassment complaint was a man but yes otherwise true
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:Unless there's another one, the person who filed the sexual harassment complaint was a man but yes otherwise true i conflate the amy thing with the sexual assault one. nd is trash
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Ham posted:Most of your post is pedantic nonsense - saying something like "The game is called the Last of Us, why are there more than two humans left????" is the same criticism as someone going "I thought The Road was going to be about a road???" or expecting Children of Men to be set in a kindergarten full of making GBS threads toddlers. No it's not, the game calls itself The Last Of Us and takes for its theme the extinction of the human species through zombie apocalypse, the title and more importantly the game both claim that humans are in short supply. Then you fight a half million clones with different shirts including a set piece where they launch a human wave attack on you. Metro 2032, in the same genre, has a war between two factions that is basically a trench war without artillery, that war bleeds all factions involved almost to death. Also I remember plenty of bad books, games and movies that I hated, that's not particularly odd, especially for high profile ones, look at this fucker who can poo poo talk the star wars prequels, he's got to have liked them, clearly left a strong impression. Well, now that you remind me, perhaps, because of the hype around it, and it wasn't for the best.
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can you imagine if a post-apocalyptic piece of media used dwindling resources and humans themselves as a backdrop while the humans in it displayed immense excess and disregard for human life. cinema sin #1 it makes no sense. why dont they simply not kill each other and act rationally?
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I'm sorry that you enjoy garbage so much that you can't even question it. The question is why don't the devs jump on the opportunity instead of making them generic mooks, guards in a deus ex game have more individuality, also why do the bandits just assault two fuckers over and over again and die again and again for a gain of nil and a maximum gain of almost nil instead of just not getting themselves killed? Pretty odd behaviour for a humanity of survivors.
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SIGSEGV posted:No it's not, the game calls itself The Last Of Us and takes for its theme the extinction of the human species through zombie apocalypse, the title and more importantly the game both claim that humans are in short supply. The game is tackling themes of human civilization ending and tribalism. The titular "Last of Us" can still be millions of people trying to eke out an existence in that civilizational ruin - that is the vision behind the game and debating whether that meaning of "Last of Us" is valid is pedantic nonsense.
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