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Banana Man posted:Wait so which country is number one taiwan
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May 14, 2020 04:53
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Banana Man posted:Wait so which country is number one It's Taiwan lollin btw at how hard Taiwan owned China by way of "competence and basic human decency"
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May 14, 2020 04:58
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It is impressive how angry a lot of mainland people get when you mention that Taiwan handled this whole thing quite well. Taiwan isn't my favourite country, but it really did well in its recent response. And exists as a demonstration of all sorts of things that the mainland government would rather were not demonstrated.
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May 14, 2020 05:17
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I smell BS with that graph. Lets see. Assumption is taking the numbers as face value as "China lies blah blah" doesn't matter. The Growth and Global doesn't measure using the same context. Global include UK in the EU, Growth doesn't. "Other Europe" just disappears. Growth is no poo poo because most of Asia are in their growth period that start small so they make big gains compared to developed economies which always top out due to natural limitations of every citizen is as productive as you can get with current technology and filling of niches. People can only eat so much food for example before production rots. Asia includes Japan. Japan is the third/fourth largest economy if measured as a single country and not "Developing". Fun fact things get weird if you include California as they are 4/5th or something like that if you were to consider it a country. Geographical groupings are fun and useless as it is a measure of population not economies cause "More people more stuff". Mixes in political blocks when it feels like it. Again adding the likes of Japan into Asia as if Asia is a political block. You can say the same with India. They do address this sort of in the second bubble (US/EU) in Global but doesn't show it. Forgets about Canada(Global), Australia, NZ (I know its practically a rounding error) as part of the "West" and "Forgets" Rest of world/other Europe. Throws North Africa as part of Middle East while grouping Latin America up to the US border. What is "Other Europe". EU has added more countries over the years. The decreasing trend also shares the same problem the the growth that when you start with a lower number and start going up your "Share" is naturally going to make the incumbents look bad. See that as it gives you the GDP as a delta without adding the % sign or acknowledging it's a delta rather than it's current global share. It's makes it look like EU globals share is 6.6 when it's 15%. It's doing alot to mislead. Mixing and matching geo/political blocks/numbers as it pleases, omitting certain numbers or showing them out of order or misleading context. It's inconsistent af. The biggest flaw is it doesn't show Taiwan #1 --- The US can project so much power not just because US strong but their network of alliances. China if you notice don't have "Friends". The US doesn't have to "Pay with cash" or run "Colonial payday loan scams" to get a base somewhere when it can instead offers trade and security/stability. You could argue the US is still paying but they are paying themselves with the military.
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May 14, 2020 05:54
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taiwan.... number.... one
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May 14, 2020 06:00
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Atopian posted:Taiwan isn't my favourite country, Mods!?
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May 14, 2020 06:30
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oohhboy posted:I smell BS with that graph. Lets see. Assumption is taking the numbers as face value as "China lies blah blah" doesn't matter. Too many words, sir. Allow me to introduce myself: I work for visualcapitalist.com and we're totally not a front for Motley Fool. We created this diagram in order to promote our attractive China Very Beneficial Mutual Fund which can guarantee you an annual income of 6.6% on your investment, underwritten by the Chinese government.
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May 14, 2020 06:37
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oohhboy posted:I smell BS with that graph. Also it's visual capitalist which is a place where people go to find material with which to con potential investors out of their money
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May 14, 2020 06:38
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screamin and creamin posted:Too many words, sir. Allow me to introduce myself: I work for visualcapitalist.com and we're totally not a front for Motley Fool. We created this diagram in order to promote our attractive China Very Beneficial Mutual Fund which can guarantee you an annual income of 6.6% on your investment, underwritten by the Chinese government. I loving love how they just coincidentally decided to record GDP with a PPP adjustment when that adjustment makes the data completely useless for any potential investor "Well after 5 years of investment you've only made about 200 dollars but that's half a year's income in rural Hubei!"
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May 14, 2020 06:47
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screamin and creamin posted:Too many words, sir. Allow me to introduce myself: I work for visualcapitalist.com and we're totally not a front for Motley Fool. We created this diagram in order to promote our attractive China Very Beneficial Mutual Fund which can guarantee you an annual income of 6.6% on your investment, underwritten by the Chinese government. Fojar38 posted:Also it's visual capitalist which is a place where people go to find material with which to con potential investors out of their money Oh, ok, that explains alot. ta.
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May 14, 2020 07:04
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For all the word chat, listen and be at peace: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Gv0H-vPoDc
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May 14, 2020 07:32
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screamin and creamin posted:It's "unfazed". For all intensive purposes, Its a mute point, needles to say, but I wanted to eek this out so you have another thing coming. Because I see "eek out" and "unphased" all the time here. bro i could care less about any of this poo poo
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May 14, 2020 07:39
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WarpedNaba posted:For all the word chat, listen and be at peace: today i learned weird al is a dirty language prescriptivist
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May 14, 2020 08:16
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Alan Smithee posted:bro i could care less about any of this poo poo I think you misunderestimated your audience here.
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May 14, 2020 08:23
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Atopian posted:It is impressive how angry a lot of mainland people get when you mention that Taiwan handled this whole thing quite well. Hey whats wrong with Taiwan?
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May 14, 2020 09:52
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Fojar38 posted:Is it really "defending" the US to point out material reality? America invaded two countries (one of which most of its allies condemned the invasion of), stuck around for decades after spending insane amounts of blood and treasure for nothing, and its material power actually increased over the course of doing so. The fact that we have SSBNs that are actually working as Russia's slowly rot in harbor, and enough aircraft carriers to shithammer basically anything we care to point at suggests that no, our material power is still very much real. China decides to gently caress with us hard enough and SSBN Nebraska gets orders, and turns every city in china over 5 million people into the r/Sino version of Threads. Most people just don't understand that while the cold war ended, we still have the ability to punch-gently caress literally any nation in the world into a soggy, burnt out husk without putting one pair of boots anywhere near them. Nothing backs up some trade deals like 'you know, if we really wanted to, we could kill like 70% of your population, then dare the rest of the world to say 'boo''.
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May 14, 2020 10:14
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The orange judas won’t be president forever. Our shameful retreat from our natural role in the world will end, and people will put it behind them like they do with everything.
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May 14, 2020 10:25
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Methylethylaldehyde posted:The fact that we have SSBNs that are actually working as Russia's slowly rot in harbor, and enough aircraft carriers to shithammer basically anything we care to point at suggests that no, our material power is still very much real. China decides to gently caress with us hard enough and SSBN Nebraska gets orders, and turns every city in china over 5 million people into the r/Sino version of Threads. You type very well with only one hand.
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May 14, 2020 10:33
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As much as I agree about America's effective monopoly on force projection, do remember that everyone has their own nukes by this point.
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May 14, 2020 10:46
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And can you think of a world leader right now who would not froth at the mouth at the opportunity to take the entire human race down with them?
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May 14, 2020 11:42
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Ghost Leviathan posted:And can you think of a world leader right now who would not froth at the mouth at the opportunity to take the entire human race down with them? Jacinda Adern, She's dreamy.
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May 14, 2020 11:52
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MarcusSA posted:Hey whats wrong with Taiwan? Nothing and that's the problem
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May 14, 2020 12:12
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WarpedNaba posted:As much as I agree about America's effective monopoly on force projection, do remember that everyone has their own nukes by this point. Lots of countries don't have nukes. Like the vast majority
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May 14, 2020 12:54
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lilbeefer posted:Lots of countries don't have nukes. Like the vast majority
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May 14, 2020 14:19
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Atopian posted:Paying attention to language use is one of my tenants. Ugh, que the pedants! bob dobbs is dead posted:taiwan.... number.... one post the proof edit: not proof that taiwan is #1, we all know that one. the proof that breaks all known crypto by doing quantum computation on conventional computers
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May 14, 2020 16:38
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i got work, gimme until like sunday or monday. proof of simons algorithm is finally done, so all i gotta do is the quantum fourier transform, generalizing implementation to n qubits instead of 3 like rn
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May 14, 2020 16:47
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WarpedNaba posted:As much as I agree about America's effective monopoly on force projection, do remember that everyone has their own nukes by this point. It's the scene from Anchorman where the dude just has a grenade in one hand and is screaming at everyone. "gently caress with me and I swear to god I'll kill us all" is a valid diplomatic position....somehow. The Cold War was amazing like that. Also in my defense, I just rewatched The Hunt for Red October, then spent entirely too long on wikipedia looking up typhoon classes and other subs.
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May 14, 2020 18:26
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Methylethylaldehyde posted:It's the scene from Anchorman where the dude just has a grenade in one hand and is screaming at everyone. "gently caress with me and I swear to god I'll kill us all" is a valid diplomatic position....somehow. This is literally China's stated nuclear policy. They don't maintain a massive arsenal suitable for first strikes like the US/Russia, they just have enough to retaliate and destroy all of your population centers if you attack.
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May 14, 2020 18:32
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Grand Fromage posted:This is literally China's stated nuclear policy. They don't maintain a massive arsenal suitable for first strikes like the US/Russia, they just have enough to retaliate and destroy all of your population centers if you attack. Unless your arsenal gets KO'd by a first strike The US and USSR maintained nuclear triads for reasons only partially related to dick measuring; it was also to ensure second strike capacity so an adversary wouldn't think that they could win a nuclear war with a clean decapitation strike. That being said, it doesn't matter because nobody is nuking anyone, especially in the case of a US-China conflict where China can just be blockaded. Furthermore, armchairstrategistbookstore.jpg
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May 14, 2020 18:41
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Fojar38 posted:Unless your arsenal gets KO'd by a first strike This is why they don't have missile sites. All their land ICBMs are on mobile launchers and they've deployed at least two missile submarines. You'd have to be willing to risk that you found every single mobile missile, which you almost certainly didn't. It's a perfectly good policy and cheaper than the US/Russia method. The UK and France do the same thing, with the added bonus of (probably) being able to depend on US missiles. I think the UK keeps all of its nukes on submarines nowadays for added security. Not that any of it really matters if the US is pressing all the buttons.
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May 14, 2020 19:03
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I mean, the idea is still that you can "win" a nuclear war if the other guy can't hit back as hard as you can hit him. Theoretically, a situation where the US destroys most of China's arsenal in a first strike but misses a few launchers, which devastate LA and Seattle in turn, would still be an American "victory" because the USA would still have fighting capacity in this situation while China wouldn't. Theorizing nuclear war gets real cynical real fast due to the scale, where entire cities and millions of lives are literally pawns.
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May 14, 2020 20:37
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Fojar38 posted:I mean, the idea is still that you can "win" a nuclear war if the other guy can't hit back as hard as you can hit him. Theoretically, a situation where the US destroys most of China's arsenal in a first strike but misses a few launchers, which devastate LA and Seattle in turn, would still be an American "victory" because the USA would still have fighting capacity in this situation while China wouldn't. The Cold War MAD doctrine took that poo poo deadly serious, and it was so far past cynical it transformed into some kind of deeply moving nihilistic death cult...thing. It's where the term Megadeath came from, how many million people you expect will die from your actions. They had charts and graphs and entire wargame tabletop simulators for global Armageddon. Modern deterrent based nuclear policies work really well for preventing wars between nuclear powers. Directly. Proxy wars are still super cool and good and everyone does them, as seen in the Arab Spring, Gulf Wars 1 through 3, Ukraine, and now Turkey. In a China vs. US fight, regardless of who shoots first, China looses hard. There would be no way for them to maintain continuity of government, since we'd be able to 2nd strike them over and over and over again, as soon as someone tried to consolidate control of military or civilian assets. Two guys square up with knives, some stabbing occurs, then the smaller guy gets pushed into a wood chipper, and the other guy comes back every few days to poo poo in the mess the chipper made. Real, working ABM technology is going to be the one thing that changes the entire calculus of nuclear deterrents, making a decapitation strike look mighty reasonable, since you have a real solid chance of knocking enough of his capability out that your ABM system is able to stem the tide. Maybe a city dies, maybe two, but at the end of the day, you traded 10 million of your citizens for 200 million of theirs. Someone in power somewhere would call that a complete victory.
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May 14, 2020 22:09
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hakimashou posted:The orange judas won’t be president forever. Our shameful retreat from our natural role in the world will end, and people will put it behind them like they do with everything. With one foul scoop he has ruined the US, fore ever.
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May 14, 2020 22:10
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Grand Fromage posted:This is why they don't have missile sites. All their land ICBMs are on mobile launchers and they've deployed at least two missile submarines. You'd have to be willing to risk that you found every single mobile missile, which you almost certainly didn't. The UK has been Trident SLBM only since the late 90s.
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May 14, 2020 22:26
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TTerrible posted:The UK has been Trident SLBM only since the late 90s. That's what I thought. I believe France is also submarine only. E: Nope, I'm wrong. France got rid of all its land ICBMs but still has bombs. Grand Fromage fucked around with this message at 22:38 on May 14, 2020 |
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May 14, 2020 22:36
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All of this will be a moot point after the Republic of China has resecured the mainland
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May 14, 2020 22:44
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Someone might nuke Canada and possibly kill as much as a dozen of us
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May 14, 2020 23:46
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Quick post to remind everyone that Russia's policy is launch-on-warning which makes even intercepting a lone ICBM on DPRK-US trajectory clench the world's collective sphincter.bob dobbs is dead posted:i got work, gimme until like sunday or monday. proof of simons algorithm is finally done, so all i gotta do is the quantum fourier transform, generalizing implementation to n qubits instead of 3 like rn quote:WANTED: Someone to break all encryption with me. 
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May 15, 2020 01:56
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Noblesse Obliged posted:Someone might nuke Canada and possibly kill as much as a dozen of us Or basically all of us, depending on where we get hit
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TSMC has announced they will build a new 5nm fab in Arizona. Taiwan and US to great tastes that taste great together.
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