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Pleasant Friend posted:So in the USA are individual states allowed to lockdown travel from other states (i.e do what Australia did and force a 14 day quarantine on all new arrivals)? Short answer No. Any attempt to do that would be struck down by our Supreme Court so fast. All states can do is ask people who enter the state to voluntarily quarantine themselves which as you can imagine is laughable.
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Pleasant Friend posted:So in the USA are individual states allowed to lockdown travel from other states (i.e do what Australia did and force a 14 day quarantine on all new arrivals)? No, not really. There are two types of highway systems in the US, and one of them (the Interstate) belongs to the federal government. Shutting down just the State routes would be pointless. Actually there's a hubub in North Dakota right now because some of both types of highways go through Sioux tribal lands and the tribes are rightfully shutting them down. ND's governor just backed down on forcing them to open up. Tribal lands have sovereignty from the US government. States do not.
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3rdEyeDeuteranopia posted:Some initial good news Why are we trusting anything out of Brian Kemp's mouth? Georgia has been backdating positive cases to 2 weeks to keep their new cases low, so it looks like the reopening is working. https://www.13wmaz.com/mobile/artic...7b-0c8be13b213c Young Freud fucked around with this message at 15:47 on May 15, 2020 |
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:Short answer No. Any attempt to do that would be struck down by our Supreme Court so fast. All states can do is ask people who enter the state to voluntarily quarantine themselves which as you can imagine is laughable. this is not correct, florida instituted lockdowns for travel from NY, if you didn't self-quarantine at the place you told the authorities you'd be fined. similarly, they did checkpoints on the interstate for people coming in from Louisiana with the same quarantine rules. whether there was actually any enforcement of the "stay in the place you told us you'll stay" part, ever, is questionable, but it was an actual policy and wasn't rapidly challenged and struck down most states' emergency police powers are very, very strong
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eke out posted:this is not correct, florida instituted lockdowns for travel from NY, if you didn't self-quarantine at the place you told the authorities you'd be fined. similarly, they did checkpoints on the interstate for people coming in from Louisiana with the same quarantine rules. I can't imagine this targeted enforcement is legally the same as a full-on lockdown of Interstate highways.
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I’m finally about to get fired for getting a doctors note saying I’m not to work in public places due to my wife and grandma having conditions that could cause severe issues from covid. The boss was bragging to a coworker that he has a plan in place to fire me if I refuse to come back Monday to work in supermarkets in Philly and North Jersey. I talked to an employment attorney who said I’d absolutely have a case for wrongful termination due to my state having a protection for employees who have associations with people with disabilities. I can’t imagine the legal poo poo show that is going to result from situations like mine. I don’t even care about collecting any settlement I just don’t want my unemployment to be disputed while I wait to start my new job. My new job keeps getting pushed back due to the virus.
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Xombie posted:I can't imagine this targeted enforcement is legally the same as a full-on lockdown of Interstate highways. I agree it would be a dramatically different scenario if it was just "border's closed, turn around!" my point was that they have the capacity to make travel from other states annoying and a big hassle, but yeah, no one's willing to commit the economic suicide that shutting everything down would cause
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Mikemo Tyson posted:I’m finally about to get fired for getting a doctors note saying I’m not to work in public places due to my wife and grandma having conditions that could cause severe issues from covid. The boss was bragging to a coworker that he has a plan in place to fire me if I refuse to come back Monday to work in supermarkets in Philly and North Jersey. I talked to an employment attorney who said I’d absolutely have a case for wrongful termination due to my state having a protection for employees who have associations with people with disabilities. I can’t imagine the legal poo poo show that is going to result from situations like mine. I don’t even care about collecting any settlement I just don’t want my unemployment to be disputed while I wait to start my new job. My new job keeps getting pushed back due to the virus. Best of luck. If you get canned, you'll have a case, but even if it is totally air-tight it may take quite a long time to get resolved. I have a family member who was fired because of his long-term fight with a form of leukemia. He won in court and got a decent settlement, but it took four years.
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eke out posted:I agree it would be a dramatically different scenario if it was just "border's closed, turn around!" It isn’t really a border problem either. Upstate NY doesnt have a problem, NYC does.
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So the sample I gave Monday came back as negative for coronavirus  As far as I can tell, this was not an antibody test.
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Mikemo Tyson posted:I’m finally about to get fired for getting a doctors note saying I’m not to work in public places due to my wife and grandma having conditions that could cause severe issues from covid. The boss was bragging to a coworker that he has a plan in place to fire me if I refuse to come back Monday to work in supermarkets in Philly and North Jersey. I talked to an employment attorney who said I’d absolutely have a case for wrongful termination due to my state having a protection for employees who have associations with people with disabilities. I can’t imagine the legal poo poo show that is going to result from situations like mine. I don’t even care about collecting any settlement I just don’t want my unemployment to be disputed while I wait to start my new job. My new job keeps getting pushed back due to the virus. I wish you luck. Beat those fuckers to death with the law if the opportunity arises.
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Warmachine posted:I wish you luck. Beat those fuckers to death if the opportunity arises.
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Shooting Blanks posted:Yeah, berating the local news guy is really going to show those executives at CNN/MSNBC/etc. that you mean business News 12 is a collection of stations that tailors local news loops to each of the regions around here. Suffolk County is a mishmash, but its definitely more rural and more chud with a distinct NY area flavor. I'm not surprised this is going on. Edit: I'd also like to point out that fuckin' Commack is not a cheap place to live. These loving people. TyroneGoldstein fucked around with this message at 17:05 on May 15, 2020 |
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I've never heard of his organization, News 12, seems like a mostly local/regional outfit.
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Somebody was asking about follow-ups focusing on potential long-term damage: https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-27359/v1 quote:Background: Chest computed tomography (CT) has been used to be a monitoring measure to assess the severity of lung abnormalities in corona virus disease 19 (COVID-19). Up to date, there has been no reports about follow-up chest CT findings from discharge patients with severe COVID-19. This study aims to describe the change pattern of radiological abnormalities from admission, to discharge, and to the last chest CT follow-up through an 83-day retrospective observation, and focuses on follow-up chest CT findings in discharged patients with severe COVID-19.
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Fallom posted:Somebody was asking about follow-ups focusing on potential long-term damage: That was me, thank you for posting. This seems... optimistic, no? Like, even if this poo poo takes a year to heal, that’s still way better than being hosed for the rest of your life or requiring a transplant. I will cop to the fact that I’m not entirely competent at reading these sorts of summaries though so I could be wrong.
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PT6A posted:That was me, thank you for posting. This seems... optimistic, no? Like, even if this poo poo takes a year to heal, that’s still way better than being hosed for the rest of your life or requiring a transplant. I will cop to the fact that I’m not entirely competent at reading these sorts of summaries though so I could be wrong. That's better than I expected but definitely believable. Only a small percentage of NY (2-3%) were discharged from ICU to rehab/long term care, suggesting that most recovered enough to live independently. Critical illness/ARDS can result in permanent damage, but that's not specific to COVID of course.
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I am hoping that if years long pack a day smokers lungs can recover to near full capacity covid patients can as well. I'd really like to know that at some point in my life we can not be dealing with this poo poo.
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I'm hoping the lung damage is like pneumonia -- some people will take a week to recover, some will take three months, some will take six months. Reddit's covid-19 subs are an awful way to spend your time, but their one for people with actual diagnosed covid-19 is good for getting a glimpse of what it's like to have the virus beyond the numbers. A disturbing number of people (mostly in their 20s and 30s) say they've had symptoms for something insane like 50-70 days. Don't expect you're going to be out of the woods after two weeks.
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Wildeyes posted:I'm hoping the lung damage is like pneumonia -- some people will take a week to recover, some will take three months, some will take six months. It literally is pneumonia
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VorpalBunny posted:On our family dog walk tonight (2 adults, 4 kids, 3 dogs - we are a walking circus) we had to actively cross our street a dozen times to avoid the other folks who just seemed intent on ignoring all social distancing rules. Most weren't wearing masks, most were single folks with a dog who made no effort to move to the street or out of the way, and one was another family with small kids who walked right up on us. It was all we could do to scramble away. I feel so silly, like everyone else in the world is on fire, but I'm trying to teach my small kids how to social distance and these neighborhood fuckheads are not helping. Our neighbor continues to have dinner parties, every day is different cars parked out front. They had a big Mother's Day party in their home last weekend. My kids seem to be taking this all so much more seriously than some of my neighbors. A cousin posted pictures of his visit to a fire station today, posing with firefighters and elderly family friends. No social distancing or masks in sight. No mention of PPE or Covid-19, with firefighters all happy and posing and hugging folks. Yeah I walk around the neighborhood a ton now because there's nothing else to do and it's a big enough suburban style sprawl to easily avoid people but I feel like I tend to do a lot of the zigzagging, I sometimes see other couples and such do it but it's just easier to take initiative of it myself rather than wondering will they/won't they. The worst situation is with larger groups (ironically a bit like yours no offense) that just suck up so much space it can be hard to get around, or when people stop to yell at each other across the street so you either need to wait for them to move on or walk in between. Yesterday I saw a gaggle of teenagers tossing a ball across the street, with a decent sized group on each side, no real way to get past so I just turned down a sidestreet.
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Discendo Vox posted:Please, please stop promulgating unvetted preprints. Promulgation of preprints portends perplexing problems. Please prevent by persistently perusing proven prognostication papers
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Riptor posted:Promulgation of preprints portends perplexing problems. Please prevent by persistently perusing proven prognostication papers ... perhaps.
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I'm just so broken, i lost both of my grandparents in Massachusetts yesterday to covid. I can't even explain the pain that it was having to say goodbye to them via zoom and seeing them hooked up. I'm at work and constantly hearing people tell me that i'm overreacting to all this by having plexiglass shields and wearing a mask because i'm in a shithole red state. I'm worried the next person that says something i'm just gonna explode on them. gently caress everyone who still doesn't take this seriously
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VietCampo posted:I'm just so broken, i lost both of my grandparents in Massachusetts yesterday to covid. I can't even explain the pain that it was having to say goodbye to them via zoom and seeing them hooked up. I'm at work and constantly hearing people tell me that i'm overreacting to all this by having plexiglass shields and wearing a mask because i'm in a shithole red state. I'm worried the next person that says something i'm just gonna explode on them. poo poo. This is all on Trump in my opinion. We had cases at the same time as Korea.
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VideoGameVet posted:poo poo. This is all on Trump in my opinion. We had cases at the same time as Korea. With less population density.
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VietCampo posted:I'm just so broken, i lost both of my grandparents in Massachusetts yesterday to covid. I can't even explain the pain that it was having to say goodbye to them via zoom and seeing them hooked up. I'm at work and constantly hearing people tell me that i'm overreacting to all this by having plexiglass shields and wearing a mask because i'm in a shithole red state. I'm worried the next person that says something i'm just gonna explode on them. I'm so sorry for your loss, that's a terrible experience. I constantly remind myself that other people's criticism of your choices is about them and their issues. It's lovely out there but you are in control of your choices, keep making good ones.
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Grayly Squirrel posted:With less population density. Yep. https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-feared-testing-too-many-people-for-virus-would-spook-stock-markets-says-report Trump Feared Testing Too Many People for Virus Would Spook Stock Markets, Says Report
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ArbitraryC posted:Yeah I walk around the neighborhood a ton now because there's nothing else to do and it's a big enough suburban style sprawl to easily avoid people but I feel like I tend to do a lot of the zigzagging, I sometimes see other couples and such do it but it's just easier to take initiative of it myself rather than wondering will they/won't they. The worst situation is with larger groups (ironically a bit like yours no offense) that just suck up so much space it can be hard to get around, or when people stop to yell at each other across the street so you either need to wait for them to move on or walk in between. Yesterday I saw a gaggle of teenagers tossing a ball across the street, with a decent sized group on each side, no real way to get past so I just turned down a sidestreet. I just told a neighborhood dog to shut up while my daughters and I were walking past its yard because I was explaining to the older one how insects pollinate flowers and got a, "Don't loving Talk To Me Or My Dog Ever Again!" yelling at from the dog's owner out her bedroom window lmao.
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VideoGameVet posted:Yep. Turns out all we needed to do was shovel money to investment banks and the stock market will not care a single bit about the reality of the situation!
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Sitting on your rear end all day Takes everything you've got Taking a break from the lockdown Sure would help a lot Wouldn't you like to get away? 
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VideoGameVet posted:poo poo. This is all on Trump in my opinion. We had cases at the same time as Korea. I had to look at this recently and apparently Mexico has less than a tenth of the cases per capita as we do. MEXICO is doing better at this than the United States.
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VietCampo posted:I'm just so broken, i lost both of my grandparents in Massachusetts yesterday to covid. I can't even explain the pain that it was having to say goodbye to them via zoom and seeing them hooked up. I'm at work and constantly hearing people tell me that i'm overreacting to all this by having plexiglass shields and wearing a mask because i'm in a shithole red state. I'm worried the next person that says something i'm just gonna explode on them. This is awful, I'm sorry for your loss. I went to my old job for the first time since they let me go in March (needed gas and an energy drink). Apparently they also fired my old assistant manager and had pexiglass but no mask or gloves. They are a poo poo company and I'm not surprised they're doing the bare loving minimum when it comes to protecting their employees.
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Young Freud posted:I had to look at this recently and apparently Mexico has less than a tenth of the cases per capita as we do. MEXICO is doing better at this than the United States. Look at Vietnam. Heck even CAMBODIA did better than us.
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Young Freud posted:I had to look at this recently and apparently Mexico has less than a tenth of the cases per capita as we do. MEXICO is doing better at this than the United States. I wouldn't jump to conclusions about countries with less medical resources for testing and diagnosis. I highly, highly doubt that India only has 2,746 deaths so far, for example.
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At a later point in time we will need to do an analysis on the number of deaths in all places of the world and use that as a proxy for the number of deaths from the rona. I'm not pretending that the US number is accurate either - just closer due to more tests.
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