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Yeah they removed the slow from the cages in the most recent patch. My buddy has been bitching about it.
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They still make a noise if you walk through them but it turns out that also is less useful without the slow.
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May 17, 2020 17:16
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Smokes that tell you when an enemy walks inside of them still seems incredibly powerful to me
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May 17, 2020 17:42
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They're still pretty weak due to their short duration, but you can stack on other smokes to get the sound to know when to spray.
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May 17, 2020 17:51
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Any kind of vision block is real good, especially one that you can trigger remotely and has an audio cue for an enemy trying to push through it. Also, AFAIK, they can't be destroyed like tripwires, which makes them an even more useful part of his kit.
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May 17, 2020 18:05
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He's definitely grown on me but god drat is the camera placement unreliable. Like I've had the same cam location be blue/red between rounds. Especially annoying on Haven A point defense there is a spot I love but it only works randomly. It feels completely arbitrary what is a permitted deployment and what isn't, especially above a certain height.
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May 17, 2020 18:25
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Just got into this a couple days ago. Pretty fun so far, but goddamn the decision to have games go to 13 wins even in unranked is killing me. Having to set aside at least 30 minutes per (potentially entirely hopeless) game is something of an entry barrier.
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May 17, 2020 20:52
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Perestroika posted:Having to set aside at least 30 minutes per (potentially entirely hopeless) game is something of an entry barrier. This is what turned me off from MOBAs and part of why I stopped playing Valorant. It's a slog at best and pure agony at worst.
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May 17, 2020 21:06
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The game really needs a drop in/out casual gently caress around mode like CS. Unranked was just a test for ranked and now that ranked is out there doesn't seem to be much of a point of unranked. I'm sure there'll have something on release, having gently caress around modes is something they do ok with in league, though theres no drop in/out which could be a bit of a problem with 5 instead of 10+/team.
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May 17, 2020 21:16
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Perestroika posted:Just got into this a couple days ago. Pretty fun so far, but goddamn the decision to have games go to 13 wins even in unranked is killing me. Having to set aside at least 30 minutes per (potentially entirely hopeless) game is something of an entry barrier. It's a little longer than I'd like it to be but if I'm in a matchup that really is hopeless, at least we're probably playing well short of 25 games
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May 17, 2020 21:29
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I like unranked because people there are more chill but I'd be fine if games were like BO18 instead. The nice thing is unlike a MOBA your power level is still pretty close to the enemy's even in a crushing loss so you can still make some good plays.
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May 17, 2020 21:40
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The game will have to launch with a quick play/casual mode or else a lot of people will feel the same.
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May 17, 2020 21:49
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Having a drop in/out game mode that cycles the map every half hour or so would be awesome. Anything that's a stress free way to play the game for a bit.
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May 17, 2020 21:53
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Bring back server lists.
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May 17, 2020 22:04
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teagone posted:Bring back server lists. What sort of thinking is this? (I miss servers too)
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May 17, 2020 22:33
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Bottom Liner posted:The game will have to launch with a quick play/casual mode or else a lot of people will feel the same. iirc volcano said on some stream that there won't be a death match mode on launch at least
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May 17, 2020 23:28
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Lex Neville posted:iirc volcano said on some stream that there won't be a death match mode on launch at least That's a different thing from casual/quick play. I mean shorter games you can join and drop at will.
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May 17, 2020 23:41
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I know, hence the "at least". I don't think there's news on a casual mode
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May 17, 2020 23:58
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Casual needs to be more accessible and ranked needs to not have overtime because having an inherently unbalanced tie breaker round is dumb.
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May 18, 2020 00:05
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I can't believe there isn't a forfeit option.
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May 18, 2020 00:08
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Is there a goon discord for this?
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May 18, 2020 00:10
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Has anyone been getting really weird ping spikes/network issues that seem to be related to gameplay? Like suddenly high ping when the gates drop or when rounding a corner.
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May 18, 2020 00:15
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Can we talk about smokes? I've been mostly playing Sage and Sova, but had a game where Brimstone was left unpicked until last so I grabbed him and did way better than my usual Sage experience. Having smoke feels empowering, especially on offense, but I don't have pre-existing knowledge from CS about how to best use it. Mostly I was just dropping smoke on positions from which I regularly got shot in previous games.
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May 18, 2020 00:54
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dunno about the overall balance, but watching kephrii die inside in solo queues is amazing content 
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Boxman posted:I can't believe there isn't a forfeit option. yeah it really owns when a teammate leaves in the first 2 rounds and then you have to play a 4v5 game to completion
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May 18, 2020 01:39
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I'd join a 5v4 down by 0-3 with a few thousand and some ult charge.
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May 18, 2020 01:41
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Drizvolta posted:yeah it really owns when a teammate leaves in the first 2 rounds and then you have to play a 4v5 game to completion That happened to me and my buddy last night, except we brought it all the way to 11-13. I down ranked from that game. Algorithm is busted, if anything we all should have ranked up for taking 11 rounds down a person.
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May 18, 2020 03:13
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Corbeau posted:Can we talk about smokes? I've been mostly playing Sage and Sova, but had a game where Brimstone was left unpicked until last so I grabbed him and did way better than my usual Sage experience. Having smoke feels empowering, especially on offense, but I don't have pre-existing knowledge from CS about how to best use it. Mostly I was just dropping smoke on positions from which I regularly got shot in previous games. In general, smokes are good for cutting sightlines as you take a site and get organized. If you can smoke, say, Heaven, you create a situation where you can get into cover without taking a risky fight. Or, if you are really clever, you can cut a site in half by putting a smoke in the middle somewhere so defending teammates can't support each other. Suddenly, a 2v1 on site becomes two seperate 1v1s.
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May 18, 2020 03:20
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Corbeau posted:Can we talk about smokes? I've been mostly playing Sage and Sova, but had a game where Brimstone was left unpicked until last so I grabbed him and did way better than my usual Sage experience. Having smoke feels empowering, especially on offense, but I don't have pre-existing knowledge from CS about how to best use it. Mostly I was just dropping smoke on positions from which I regularly got shot in previous games. Smokes are great on both offense and defense, on offense they allow you to push long corridors without getting shot by the AWP on the other side of it, and like Famethrowa said you can smoke off potential crossfires so that if you make a push you only have to worry about one angle at a time. On defense they're really good to throw down at the entryway to hold off a push, since no one wants to rush through smoke into someone watching it. Since this game borrows a lot from CS I'd suggest looking at people breaking down CS pro matches to see how they make use of the grenades to take and defend sites.
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May 18, 2020 06:48
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Corbeau posted:Can we talk about smokes? I've been mostly playing Sage and Sova, but had a game where Brimstone was left unpicked until last so I grabbed him and did way better than my usual Sage experience. Having smoke feels empowering, especially on offense, but I don't have pre-existing knowledge from CS about how to best use it. Mostly I was just dropping smoke on positions from which I regularly got shot in previous games. Even doing random smokes of common spots is helpful, you’ll get better with them on the fly the more you use them. Whenever you want to clear an area one spot at a time instead of potentially fighting multiple enemies at once.
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On the attacking side, delaying your abilities a bit to try to get the defending team to waste theirs so you have the ability advantage when you go to take a site can be super useful. Not that you should do that every round, but if you think you can get away with popping, say, a single smoke in order to get them to pop all of theirs, drop a wall, etc. while you still have almost a minute and a half on the clock, well... you've got 50-odd seconds to chill and wait for them to blow abilities before you have to commit to a site.
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I think you should do that every round  I guess a (fast) full execute without baiting utility first can occasionally be good to keep your opponents on their toes, but other than that I think that's pretty much what the game is about, right? Making the opponent expend as much utility as you can while using as little of your own as possible, so that you gain map control and are able to get into an advantageous position to click heads. (This is more generally speaking, of course. You'd probably rather use, say, Raze's abilities to bait utility than you would Brimstone's smokes, but on the whole FPSes like these are pretty much a game of chicken with utility and trading a smoke for a wall or two enemy smokes etc is never bad.) Lex Neville fucked around with this message at 14:07 on May 18, 2020 |
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May 18, 2020 14:04
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Had a game last night where defenders were really aggressive and once we got wise and just split up and hung back before committing to a site we won just about every round. At the lowest levels I was finding it was more effective to just group up and push a site hard. I'm still confused about what to buy after winning pistol round. Do I want to buy something like heavy and ghost so that I have guaranteed 3900 in round 3 or is it better to push the advantage and buy shotties/SMGs even though it means the team won't be able to get rifles in round 3? I know something like spectre can continue to be a pretty good weapon even into the full buy rounds but if you die with it round 2 it leaves you in a pretty bad situation economically to start round 3, maybe even needing to full save while the enemy likely has enough for armor and rifles.
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May 18, 2020 14:39
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If you win first round, buy up. Their $ is going to be poo poo, and they either full save after the loss (usual) and you get a second round, or they force up and you have better gear than them and their economy is tanked 3rd round (assuming you win). The downside isn't that big if you lose round two, it's 1-1 and you're on a save one round. Worst case you save and roll into round four 1-2 on a full buy. If you play smart you can take a couple rifles from them on the 1-1 either just out of their hands by killing, or into your hands by killing + picking up and saving. The upside if you win is you're up 2-0 and they're using all their money to buy rifles in a round that you could still win out with on spectres/mustang/shotguns+ a couple possible rifle buys. Even if you lose against the rifles, you're 2-1 and on a buy, and hopefully you did some damage to their econ with a few frags too. E: In general if you win a round, you buy up. You want to keep winning, not play to lose slower. surc fucked around with this message at 15:04 on May 18, 2020 |
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prom candy posted:Had a game last night where defenders were really aggressive and once we got wise and just split up and hung back before committing to a site we won just about every round. At the lowest levels I was finding it was more effective to just group up and push a site hard. Yeah, if the way round 2 works economically was a design choice, I think it was a bad choice. It really just doesn’t make sense and removes a little bit of depth/Econ management overall. They could stand to take another look at some of the econ mechanics. E: to above poster, I think op is saying it’s dumb that even if your team wins rounds 1 and 2, but have a few people die on round 2, you’re gonna be on a kinda poo poo buy round 3 even tho you’re up 2-0.
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Tetramin posted:E: to above poster, I think op is saying it’s dumb that even if your team wins rounds 1 and 2, but have a few people die on round 2, you’re gonna be on a kinda poo poo buy round 3 even tho you’re up 2-0. This is actually really good and cool because otherwise you win the first 2 rounds and if the other team forced round 2 (with worse gear than you can afford with your win from round 1), you basically get to go like 4-0 to start the game guaranteed, which means buying after pistol loss is never a reasonable option, which means you guaranteed that 2-0 at least if you get pistol pretty much and limits things people can do to try and come back, and gives a super strong advantage to whoever wins pistol. surc fucked around with this message at 15:10 on May 18, 2020 |
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May 18, 2020 15:08
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I don't necessarily think it's bad design because I'm not wild about snowball mechanics in competitive games, I just think the decision making is kinda hard. My noob-brain has always been thinking in a binary like "either I full buy, or I light buy low enough that I'll have 3900 next round" but I guess it's more complicated than that in terms of balancing pushing your advantage on individual rounds without messing up your economy longer term.
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Yeah there's a lot of situational stuff that impacts it, but unless you're playing in a tournament or high level comp against consistent teams or something, you should be safe treating the rule as just "team always buys up after you win a round". E: Just remember that your team as a whole, and you specifically, are better than the other team no matter what the score is and play accordingly  (This isn't just aim-specific. If you keep losing a duel, then stop loving peeking and play smarter than them, which you are)E2: vvvvv Ah yeah, didn't think to call this out specifically but -- people should definitely be dropping/upgrading for their team if that's not happening. That's the kind of situation I meant with the eco weapons + a couple rifle buys scenario, or if nobody dies maybe one or two people upgrade anyway if they had a shotty instead of a spectre or whatever and somebody got enough kills to buy a rifle. surc fucked around with this message at 15:43 on May 18, 2020 |
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May 18, 2020 15:17
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I agree, you should generally upgrade when you can. I always toss my smg on the ground for someone if they want it and upgrade for round 3. The survivors of round 2 should buy guns for teammates if they can. If they did enough eco damage on round 2 that you're forced into a weak buy even if you won round 2, hats off to them. poe meater fucked around with this message at 15:36 on May 18, 2020 |
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prom candy posted:I don't necessarily think it's bad design because I'm not wild about snowball mechanics in competitive games, I just think the decision making is kinda hard. My noob-brain has always been thinking in a binary like "either I full buy, or I light buy low enough that I'll have 3900 next round" but I guess it's more complicated than that in terms of balancing pushing your advantage on individual rounds without messing up your economy longer term. this is the kinda depth that makes CS far better then just a round based shooter, so I am very glad that Valorant preserved it. I hope they continue having trade-offs and tricky strategic decisions like this. right now it doesn't feel like weapon buys have as much of an impact since even the cheapest guns feel very accurate, so it'd be nice to have more tricky trade-offs here when it comes to force-buys.
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