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Juul-Whip posted:The Dictatorship Understander has logged on people realizing that you can rule Canada with a very small chunk of the population is always incredible and that the federal government is incredibly powerful relative to similar governments is always good for a laugh. it was ndp/liberal people posting this exact thing in the harper years.
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call me trudeau abolishes provincial governments(trudeau please do this)
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Dreylad posted:people realizing that you can rule Canada with a very small chunk of the population is always incredible and that the federal government is incredibly powerful relative to similar governments is always good for a laugh. it was ndp/liberal people posting this exact thing in the harper years. I honestly wish we had a clusterfuck of a parliament like a lot of Europe has. Like 20 parties with a few seats each. It’s always a mess but it looks far more entertaining
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May 29, 2020 02:11
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a primate posted:I honestly wish we had a clusterfuck of a parliament like a lot of Europe has. Like 20 parties with a few seats each. We could get rid of the whips for a real fun time
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May 29, 2020 03:03
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ban party affiliations and make it so pm is decided by a ssb tournament between all the mps
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DariusLikewise posted:ban party affiliations and make it so pm is decided by a ssb tournament between all the mps So only the richwhite kids that had nintendo's can be PM?  I don't see how that is any better.
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a primate posted:I honestly wish we had a clusterfuck of a parliament like a lot of Europe has. Like 20 parties with a few seats each. I see some value in a system of government that can actually govern and enact legislation effectively, even when a lot of the time the governing party is pretty bad
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depending on your definition of Europe there are 0-1 countries there with first past the post elections. I'll let you guess.
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france's two round system has some fptp elements. the second round for legislative and municipal elections includes the top two and everyone who gets over a certain threshold of votes (12.5% of eligible voters for the legislative election, idk the municipal threshold off the top of my head), such that in some constituencies, the second round can have three or (more rarely) four candidates in the second round, and that works just like FPTP does. ex in 2012, in Aisne's 5th district, the runoff had a UMP (sarkozy's party), fascist, and socialist candidate. UMP got 37%, fascists got 21%, but the socialist squeezed through the vote split with 42%. on top of that, the left of centre parties have an informal fptp arrangement between them: if two left candidates advance to the second round against each other, the lower-placed one withdraws. For example, in Seine-Saint-Denis' 4th district in 2012, the communist got 34% and socialist got 30% in the first round, and were the only two that qualified for the runoff. The vast majority of the remaining vote was scattered among right-wing parties, so it's likely the socialist could have beaten the communist in the runoff, but french left parties don't use right-wing voters to defeat each other so the socialist just withdrew and the communist won the runoff unopposed. Pinterest Mom has issued a correction as of 05:52 on May 29, 2020 |
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May 29, 2020 05:48
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Noblesse Obliged posted:We could get rid of the whips for a real fun time  Dreylad posted:I see some value in a system of government that can actually govern and enact legislation effectively, even when a lot of the time the governing party is pretty bad pfft eric ciaramella posted:depending on your definition of Europe there are 0-1 countries there with first past the post elections. I'll let you guess. abolish fptp, it’s dumb and no one needs it
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Hey Cangoons, I was broke depressed and rooting against the Canucks so I had no involvement with the Vancouver riots in 2011 besides watching from afar, but I remember some folks mentioning that the riots had more going on than just hockey fans throwing a tantrum and people looking to break stuff. Does anyone know anything about that? I don't want to go comparing that riot to what we're seeing in the States when the only knowledge I have is MSM and my isolated experience. (and I recognize they're completely different anyways but I'm aiming for frame of reference rather than whatabout or 'shared pain')
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I dunno how we compare to other cities but Vancouver has a history of that sort of thing https://rabble.ca/news/2012/04/history-riots-and-scapegoating-vancouver https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/3kabxv/heres-proof-vancouver-has-been-rioting-over-sports-games-since-1958 https://www.anvilpress.com/Books/reading-the-riot-act-a-brief-history-of-riots-in-vancouver
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That's a really weird take, Vancouver is entirely too multiethnic for anything involving young people to be "whites only".
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COMPAGNIE TOMMY posted:Yeah it was all white people doing the rioting, and the premise is that with the influx of Asian immigrants the whites in the city have lost their "tribe" and have nothing else to invest in besides sports, so to build up the hope and have it dashed had a psychological impact on all the stupid white loving idiots who think their identity hinges on being totally homogenous with their surroundings I was right in the middle of the 2011 riots and witnessed myself that multiple ethnicities taking part in the looting and everything was being smashed indiscriminately. I recall lots of university and college students were saying they were going to riot and loot if Vancouver lost to Boston, days prior to the final match, because like others have said: we have a history of it (the 1994 riot). It had nothing to do with race.
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The hockey riot happened because Canadians are extremely atomised and don't have any concept of community whatsoever, so if someone decides we want to have a riot just to have something to do and they find an excuse based on hockey or whatever, nobody has any good argument why they shouldn't. Why shouldn't they go out and smash some windows? Vancouver has never done anything for any of them, what do they care what happens to it? They weren't even mad, they're just dumb and had nothing else to do. The most Canadian possible riot.
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May 31, 2020 01:33
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Entorwellian posted:I was right in the middle of the 2011 riots and witnessed myself that multiple ethnicities taking part in the looting and everything was being smashed indiscriminately. I recall lots of university and college students were saying they were going to riot and loot if Vancouver lost to Boston, days prior to the final match, because like others have said: we have a history of it (the 1994 riot). It had nothing to do with race. Did it have anything to do with economic issues? The argument I heard was folks were still infuriated over the tax issues raised by the Olympics and this was a pressure valve.
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Renaissance Spam posted:Did it have anything to do with economic issues? The argument I heard was folks were still infuriated over the tax issues raised by the Olympics and this was a pressure valve. lol it was about hockey
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Renaissance Spam posted:Did it have anything to do with economic issues? The argument I heard was folks were still infuriated over the tax issues raised by the Olympics and this was a pressure valve. Classon Ave. Robot posted:The hockey riot happened because Canadians are extremely atomised and don't have any concept of community whatsoever, so if someone decides we want to have a riot just to have something to do and they find an excuse based on hockey or whatever, nobody has any good argument why they shouldn't. Why shouldn't they go out and smash some windows? Vancouver has never done anything for any of them, what do they care what happens to it? Pinterest Mom posted:lol
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Don't let what's happening in America right now fool you, not all riots are equal. The people protesting and rioting in America are literally heroes standing up to the violent psychopaths that brutally murder and oppress them with flagrant impunity. The Vancouver rioters were just dumb Canadians with nothing better to do.
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Actually one thing I do remember is, when the aftermath had settled, people were trying to blame "outside agitators" from Surrey and Burnaby for the riots happening and that it absolutely could not have been high and mighty "Vancouver City, Best Place On Earth(TM)." Now I see that they're doing the same thing with the protesters in the cop riots.
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Renaissance Spam posted:Did it have anything to do with economic issues? The argument I heard was folks were still infuriated over the tax issues raised by the Olympics and this was a pressure valve. sometimes a sports riot is just a sports riot
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the city set up big screen TVs downtown to watch the game. of course it was full of people from burnaby and surrey.infernal machines posted:sometimes a sports riot is just a sports riot
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infernal machines posted:sometimes a sports riot is just a sports riot
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Classon Ave. Robot posted:Don't let what's happening in America right now fool you, not all riots are equal. The people protesting and rioting in America are literally heroes standing up to the violent psychopaths that brutally murder and oppress them with flagrant impunity. The Vancouver rioters were just dumb Canadians with nothing better to do. Akshually community orgs are saying it's whites doing most of the bad stuff. MN officials said most of their arrests were from out of area people, and some had ties to white supremacists trying to do their accellerationist boogaloo bullshit.  Still, ACAB.
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infernal machines posted:sometimes a sports riot is just a sports riot even the Romans had a good ol sports riot, it's part of civilization at this point
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reports from MN that the protesters were mostly from out of town were later proven not true by local media. it's locals, mostly, fighting for their communities.
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gently caress COREY PERRY posted:even the Romans had a good ol sports riot, it's part of civilization at this point to be fair they also wore dong charms to ward off evil spirits, I know this because of a buzzfeed article from the before-times and buzzfeed would never lie to us I can confirm this works because any time I wear a giant phallic necklace I don't get bothered by evil spirits so the romans had some pretty good information for their day
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Entorwellian posted:Actually one thing I do remember is, when the aftermath had settled, people were trying to blame "outside agitators" from Surrey and Burnaby for the riots happening and that it absolutely could not have been high and mighty "Vancouver City, Best Place On Earth(TM)." Now I see that they're doing the same thing with the protesters in the cop riots. I mean this was largely true, I believe it was a pretty even spread across the community, It isn't like there are appreciable differences in the region from Vancouver to Surrey.
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Oh man, does this mean I'm going to get two of them? My mom passed away November of 2018, my dad passed away last September, but they both had 2018 income taxes and he was the sole beneficiary and executor of her estate, and I'm the sole beneficiary and executor of his estate. Yes, there have been things from her estate that I've had to deal with as the Executor of the Executor of the Estate.
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May 31, 2020 04:55
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Wow a whole 200 dollar tax credit. I remember when Ralph Klein sent me 200 bucks cash. They couldn't even give them a loving cheque.
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May 31, 2020 05:54
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lol that brian pallisters signature is just "Brian"
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All riots are good, including the hockey ones
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eric ciaramella posted:reports from MN that the protesters were mostly from out of town were later proven not true by local media. it's locals, mostly, fighting for their communities. Local whites, then.
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Randalor posted:Oh man, does this mean I'm going to get two of them? My mom passed away November of 2018, my dad passed away last September, but they both had 2018 income taxes and he was the sole beneficiary and executor of her estate, and I'm the sole beneficiary and executor of his estate. Yes, there have been things from her estate that I've had to deal with as the Executor of the Executor of the Estate. My condolences, being an executor of one estate sucks balls, let alone two set up like nesting dolls. I can see the paperwork now…
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It actually wasn't that bad, most of the stuff for mom's estate was apparently fairly straightforward (all their bank accounts were jointly held, house was in both of their names, ect). They had a Disney Vacation Club membership that dad never got around to dealing with, so that was... fun. But stuff like transferring ownership of the house was just a matter of the lawyer asking if I could bring both death certificates along with my dad's will to show that, yes, both property owners are deceased. On a side note, if anyone wants a good lawyer to help handle getting wills probated or property titles transfered in the Winnipeg area, I can recommend some good ones.
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The "oh it was actually just outside agitators / provocateurs" argument happens with every single protest / riot / whatever ever, and the answer is always the same. Provocateurs exist. People who are genuine participants and think property damage is irrelevant compared to police brutality / other oppression / losing a hockey game exist (and are right excepting the hockey game one). Opportunists who use a protest as a way to loot stores exist. It's never entirely one of those categories, you can always find evidence of all three. At the end of the day, it's a distraction, and is often used deliberately as a distraction. enki42 has issued a correction as of 14:33 on May 31, 2020 |
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Renaissance Spam posted:Wow a whole 200 dollar tax credit. thats what they got, all the seniors in manitoba got a 200 dollar cheque
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