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Xenomrph
Dec 9, 2005

AvP Nerd/Fanboy/Shill



I played unhealthy amounts of X-wing vs TIE Fighter and X-wing Alliance, I was exceptional at those games and participated heavily in the higher-end online “squadrons”. I had my own fan-fiction pilot character who I am still emotionally attached to 20 years later, and I’m thrilled to be able to bring him out of retirement.

I never thought I’d get to see a successor game to those old ones. 2020 sure is full of surprises.

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OniPanda
May 13, 2004

OH GOD BEAR




Xenomrph posted:

I played unhealthy amounts of X-wing vs TIE Fighter and X-wing Alliance, I was exceptional at those games and participated heavily in the higher-end online “squadrons”. I had my own fan-fiction pilot character who I am still emotionally attached to 20 years later, and I’m thrilled to be able to bring him out of retirement.

I never thought I’d get to see a successor game to those old ones. 2020 sure is full of surprises.

I also played a gently caress ton of XvT. As much as I love A-Wings, nothing was better than using an Int with a hotas+rudder to just absolutely wreck people's poo poo online. People would get so mad when you'd dance around them because they just wanted to joust with an X-Wing.

Eej
Jun 17, 2007

HEAVYARMS

Chomp8645 posted:

I mean I'm not saying your wrong about the experience, but the price tag is not the proof. Being $40 doesn't mean the SP experience will be shallow any more than it means the game will be shallow in general. Most of the best games I've played were $40 or less.

Price tag is the evidence that they're going to make 1/3rd less money than a AAA game per unit moved which means unless they are planning to sell like gangbusters (they're not) their budget for a single player campaign will be limited because an EA studio is not gonna be able to get away with just text and static backgrounds and recycled assets with a Star Wars game.

Tom Guycot
Oct 15, 2008

Chief of Governors


Popete posted:

This looks really slick.

Is it 1st person cockpit view only? The cockpits look awesome and I hope that is the case.

Yeah they confirmed cockpit only.

Could change before release, but the way the design looks, that seems like it would be difficult to play 3rd person.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Popete posted:

This looks really slick.

Is it 1st person cockpit view only? The cockpits look awesome and I hope that is the case.

i believe so. i think their will be additional hub poo poo you can add but yeah.


Symetrique posted:

Anthem was $60

Makes you think


Edit:

More info on Fleet battles from the CM

https://twitter.com/JayKingIngram/status/1273826543953784832?s=20



loving nice. also thats more on bioware than EA at this point. Bioware is the student who got lucky a few times with a late project and than began to think thats what made their work good. than it backfired.

Xenomrph
Dec 9, 2005

AvP Nerd/Fanboy/Shill



OniPanda posted:

I also played a gently caress ton of XvT. As much as I love A-Wings, nothing was better than using an Int with a hotas+rudder to just absolutely wreck people's poo poo online. People would get so mad when you'd dance around them because they just wanted to joust with an X-Wing.

I specialized in capital ship assault; dumb-firing ordnance to spoof the AI’s anti-ordnance, memorizing blind-spots for every capital ship in the game, picking ships apart one component at a time, taking down an ISD single-handedly was consistently satisfying.

Also if you really wanted to piss people off online, kill them with the flare counter-measure system. :v: the flares lock onto anything other than the player within a 0.5km radius, and that includes other players.

Tom Guycot
Oct 15, 2008

Chief of Governors


Haha. I went back to the EA press conference, not just the gameplay video, and during the interview with the lead developer on it, they showed some of his drawings he did as a kid that he fished out of his parents attic:








Bless you nerd man for somehow duping EA into making an x-wing series successor.

A MIRACLE
Sep 17, 2007

All right. It's Saturday night; I have no date, a two-liter bottle of Shasta and my all-Rush mix-tape... Let's rock.

SyRauk posted:

I want to finally use that Luxury Pass for Dunari's Casino.


All the original voice actors are still working so getting them back wouldn't be an issue since they usually record them separately.

As long as they also get the guy who did the original music for stuff like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VT1DERtchxs

lol this music used to play on a constant loop in the computer room for a couple years back in the day. or the random announcement sounds coming from the calmari bridge. i truly believed I was Ace Azzameen when I was 10 or whatever

anyway I caught the gameplay trailer today and now i'm unbelievably excited for this game. I heard it was just a ripoff from battlefront but this seems like a real deal X Wing game

The Kins
Oct 2, 2004

Novasol posted:

You could get a Rift S with a set of controllers for it for less than just the Index HMD. That said, I'm sure you could just use a normal controller with this.
The Steam store page states that "the VR mode for this game requires the use of a gamepad or a keyboard and mouse" so there won't be any fancy VR control stuff.

PunkBoy
Aug 22, 2008

You wanna get through this?

Tom Guycot posted:

Haha. I went back to the EA press conference, not just the gameplay video, and during the interview with the lead developer on it, they showed some of his drawings he did as a kid that he fished out of his parents attic:








Bless you nerd man for somehow duping EA into making an x-wing series successor.

Okay, I now have faith that this dude will do what he can to make a true spiritual successor.

EDIT: One of them has the Assault Gunboat, so I'm going to take that as a confirmation it's going to be in Squadrons now. :colbert:

EDIT: Haha, you can tell which game the picture is based on not just from the quality of the drawing, but also the details. The picture posted above is definitely from XvT since it has the 3D model target screen, but the one with the Assault Gunboat is probably from the original X-Wing since it has the static display.

Xenomrph posted:

I played unhealthy amounts of X-wing vs TIE Fighter and X-wing Alliance, I was exceptional at those games and participated heavily in the higher-end online “squadrons”. I had my own fan-fiction pilot character who I am still emotionally attached to 20 years later, and I’m thrilled to be able to bring him out of retirement.

I never thought I’d get to see a successor game to those old ones. 2020 sure is full of surprises.

That just reminded me i was also in one of those groups for X-Wing Alliance. They were called Strike Force Justice and had like 6 different squadrons that you could be assigned to. It was pretty elaborate.

PunkBoy fucked around with this message at 07:25 on Jun 19, 2020

Jedi Knight Luigi
Jul 13, 2009

BigglesSWE posted:

Lest we forget our hero:



This is a woman actor who was dubbed. Old EU claims Horton Salm was in Rotj without a mustache but that’s a different Y-wing pilot/actor. Also I think some variant of this shot was my avatar onTFN.

Really can’t wait to try out those y-wings..

Eastbound Spider
Jan 2, 2011



Cockpit only? ok, now I'm interested!

Vax
Dec 29, 2011

delicious!
Only heard about this 10 mins ago and I'm already hyped. Please EA dont gently caress this one up. PLEASE!

Xenomrph
Dec 9, 2005

AvP Nerd/Fanboy/Shill



Vax posted:

Only heard about this 10 mins ago and I'm already hyped. Please EA dont gently caress this one up. PLEASE!

I’m just trying to figure out the Monkey’s Paw offset for this game being good. I mean, we’re still talking about TYOOL 2020 here.

Mr. Neutron
Sep 15, 2012

~I'M THE BEST~
Ok this actually does look good and fun. Let's hope they don't screw it up.

jarlywarly
Aug 31, 2018

Chomp8645 posted:

I'm really curious how the control options are going to shake out in the multiplayer. To my knowledge, basically every game out there that supports HOTAS are either single player games or games like Elite where there technically is PvP but it's not the focus of the game and not considered a balanced experience anyway.

Does anyone have experience with a PvP game that allows but does not require sticks/HOTAS? It seems to me like it would be just like the old M+KB vs Gamepad conundrum except I don't know which would be better. I just imagine that between a stick/HOTAS and a gamepad surely one must be better from a competitive perspective. Or is that not the case?

Infinity: Battlescape

To be honest in a lot of MP PVP dog fighters mouse and keyboard is the superior system, just that combo of thruster control of movement on the left hand and the mouse giving more precision around the central aiming area when you are leading a tiny target, a lot of people don't want to hear it but it tends to shake out that way.

I'm going to repeat it if you are on PC and are joensing after a VR SP space sim campaign and are not only sold on the Star Wars universe, get House of the Dying Sun it's only short and will fill that hole until this arrives.

jarlywarly fucked around with this message at 09:57 on Jun 19, 2020

Sekenr
Dec 12, 2013




I already have my hotas + VR nerd equipment, so I can think of very little reasons that would stop me from buying this.



Is this the short bus of star wars?

Xenomrph
Dec 9, 2005

AvP Nerd/Fanboy/Shill



gently caress you, the Otana rules. :colbert:

Alchenar
Apr 9, 2008

While I'm disappointed by the implied lack of missions where I spend 8 minutes flying from a nav point, 5 minutes docked at a station, then another 8 minutes flying back to the nav point, I am very happy by these clips. They absolutely seem to have nailed the 'pace' of star wars space battles in a way that previous games have not.

Reading through the 'PR approved lines filter' I also really like the stuff about playtesting the game every day and fiddling until it felt right. It's surprising how rare that is and is a good sign that they won't be suddenly disappointed by public reaction.

Thom12255
Feb 23, 2013
WHERE THE FUCK IS MY MONEY

Alchenar posted:

While I'm disappointed by the implied lack of missions where I spend 8 minutes flying from a nav point, 5 minutes docked at a station, then another 8 minutes flying back to the nav point, I am very happy by these clips. They absolutely seem to have nailed the 'pace' of star wars space battles in a way that previous games have not.

Reading through the 'PR approved lines filter' I also really like the stuff about playtesting the game every day and fiddling until it felt right. It's surprising how rare that is and is a good sign that they won't be suddenly disappointed by public reaction.

Flashbacks to the 2nd tutorial mission in XWA where you spend 30 minutes scanning cargo and it's kind of easy to mess something up at the end of the mission and have to do the entire thing again.

Alchenar
Apr 9, 2008

Thom12255 posted:

Flashbacks to the 2nd tutorial mission in XWA where you spend 30 minutes scanning cargo and it's kind of easy to mess something up at the end of the mission and have to do the entire thing again.

Oh man I remember that now but that's not even the mission I'm thinking of. It's an Otana mission though.

jarlywarly
Aug 31, 2018
I just watched the gameplay video, there's no centre-point reticule for aiming? I read there was no lead indicator but no actual reticule at all? People are going to stick overlays on.

Eej
Jun 17, 2007

HEAVYARMS
There is a reticle for aiming it just isn't in the trailer. It won't tell you where to lead but it will light up when you will hit a deflection shot.

Novasol
Jul 27, 2006


The Kins posted:

The Steam store page states that "the VR mode for this game requires the use of a gamepad or a keyboard and mouse" so there won't be any fancy VR control stuff.

Yes? My point was that you might as well just get a Rift S, which you can't buy without controllers. There are other VR games too, might as well have the controllers in case you need them for something else.

A MIRACLE
Sep 17, 2007

All right. It's Saturday night; I have no date, a two-liter bottle of Shasta and my all-Rush mix-tape... Let's rock.

I’ve been waiting until the last possible second to get into vr this might be what does it

astr0man
Feb 21, 2007

hollyeo deuroga

Thom12255 posted:

Flashbacks to the 2nd tutorial mission in XWA where you spend 30 minutes scanning cargo and it's kind of easy to mess something up at the end of the mission and have to do the entire thing again.

Yeah, I remember one of these missions had a bug where you could get soft-locked at 97% objective completion for some reason. I think it got patched out eventually, but I forget it if it was an official fix or in one of the community mod/upgrade packs.

e: based on everything we've seen/heard so far I am feeling pretty optimistic about this game, but it's EA and Star Wars so who knows really

e2: also can't believe this thread made it 10 pages without anyone reminiscing about one of the greatest LPs in the history of the forums

astr0man fucked around with this message at 15:14 on Jun 19, 2020

Meme Poker Party
Sep 1, 2006

by Azathoth

Jedi Knight Luigi posted:

This is a woman actor who was dubbed.

You know I thought I the picture looked like a woman. But I didn't want to assume people's things and the voice was clearly masculine. Interesting bit of trivia. I wonder why they dubbed it?

Alchenar
Apr 9, 2008

It's this. This is the most boring mission of Alliance. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVswU_v5cec It is less long than I remember.

hhhat
Apr 29, 2008
this looks really cool and yeah i'll be getting VR so I can do it

I mean yay

fartknocker
Oct 28, 2012


Damn it, this always happens. I think I'm gonna score, and then I never score. It's not fair.



Wedge Regret

Chomp8645 posted:

You know I thought I the picture looked like a woman. But I didn't want to assume people's things and the voice was clearly masculine. Interesting bit of trivia. I wonder why they dubbed it?

One of the A-wing pilots is also a woman that was dubbed over with a male voice. IIRC, they had a bunch of those pilots do a lot of the same lines (I think also including a Mon Calamari pilot that isn’t shown in the final cut) and they then used the visual of whichever ones they liked for whatever reasons, and all of them got dubbed over.

Xenomrph
Dec 9, 2005

AvP Nerd/Fanboy/Shill



fartknocker posted:

One of the A-wing pilots is also a woman that was dubbed over with a male voice.

Isn’t it the one who rams the Executor’s bridge?

Wedge is in the reveal trailer, I wonder if they got Denis Lawson to reprise the role.

What are good modern flight sticks you guys would recommend?

Alchenar
Apr 9, 2008

I really wouldn't recommend a flight stick until some people actually play the game and come back, it's likely to be designed around the common denominator (a console controller) with joystick support being there because it's expected.

However:

If you want to spend not very much money, then logitech will do just fine for you.

If you want to spend a bit of money, the Thrustmaster T-Flight Hotas is for you.

If you are a fool with money then Thrustmaster will do you a stick, throttle and pedals: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Thrustmast...R0D0WF716KZBEY6

Lobok
Jul 13, 2006

Say Watt?

I know they confirmed no third-person view, which I'm okay with, but what about a HUD-only view with no cockpit?

A MIRACLE
Sep 17, 2007

All right. It's Saturday night; I have no date, a two-liter bottle of Shasta and my all-Rush mix-tape... Let's rock.

I have the T-Flight HOTAS mentioned above (for Sturmovik) and it's pretty good. several years old and has survived three moves and a bunch of drops and other goony clumsiness

whatever you get just make sure it has pitch, roll, yaw (twist the stick) and throttle. hat switches are dope too

Xenomrph
Dec 9, 2005

AvP Nerd/Fanboy/Shill



Alchenar posted:

I really wouldn't recommend a flight stick until some people actually play the game and come back, it's likely to be designed around the common denominator (a console controller) with joystick support being there because it's expected.

However:

If you want to spend not very much money, then logitech will do just fine for you.

If you want to spend a bit of money, the Thrustmaster T-Flight Hotas is for you.

If you are a fool with money then Thrustmaster will do you a stick, throttle and pedals: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Thrustmast...R0D0WF716KZBEY6

Part of me wanting a new stick is so I can replay the old games, so even if SW Squadrons is a dud (or doesn’t support a stick) I’m confident I’ll get use out of one.

I went through two sticks back when XvT/XWA were popular, one was a Saitek gold-colored flightstick and the other was a Microsoft something or other.

Alchenar
Apr 9, 2008

A MIRACLE posted:

I have the T-Flight HOTAS mentioned above (for Sturmovik) and it's pretty good. several years old and has survived three moves and a bunch of drops and other goony clumsiness

whatever you get just make sure it has pitch, roll, yaw (twist the stick) and throttle. hat switches are dope too

Same, I bought mine 6 years ago, survived a bit of rough treatment and plenty of use. A couple of the buttons stopped working and my new desk doesn't really have anywhere to put it so I've stopped using it and started using the xbox controller for Elite Dangerous and don't really feel the need to replace it. If this is the beginning the The Great Space Sim Resurgence then I'll change my mind, but using House of the Dying Sun as a reference it's clearly possible to make this sort of game around a console controller assumption.

Xenomrph
Dec 9, 2005

AvP Nerd/Fanboy/Shill



I’m looking at the T-Flight in Amazon and there’s an $80 “for PC and PS4” model and a $58 “for PC and PS3” model. I assume the cheaper one is the older model, but it’s also rated higher than the new one and has 10x as many reviews. Is there an appreciable difference between the two, and is it worth spending the extra $25 for the newer model?

Alchenar
Apr 9, 2008

Xenomrph posted:

I’m looking at the T-Flight in Amazon and there’s an $80 “for PC and PS4” model and a $58 “for PC and PS3” model. I assume the cheaper one is the older model, but it’s also rated higher than the new one and has 10x as many reviews. Is there an appreciable difference between the two, and is it worth spending the extra $25 for the newer model?

No idea. The spec is identical, the newer one just happens to be bluer. The extra money you are paying for will get you:

1) Any improvements in quality control they've made along the way
2) Up to date software/drivers, which might make a difference in some incredibly rare niche circumstances you are incredibly unlikely to encounter.


e: value 'intangible improvements in quality control' bearing in mind that you've just seen two posters talk about how theirs has lasted for 5+ years.

Alchenar fucked around with this message at 17:04 on Jun 19, 2020

Symetrique
Jan 2, 2013




Alchenar posted:

I really wouldn't recommend a flight stick until some people actually play the game and come back, it's likely to be designed around the common denominator (a console controller) with joystick support being there because it's expected.

However:

If you want to spend not very much money, then logitech will do just fine for you.

If you want to spend a bit of money, the Thrustmaster T-Flight Hotas is for you.

If you are a fool with money then Thrustmaster will do you a stick, throttle and pedals: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Thrustmast...R0D0WF716KZBEY6

The Warthog isn't that great of a recommendation anymore. It's a seriously outdated product with a premium price. VKB and Virpil are both much better alternatives.

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A MIRACLE
Sep 17, 2007

All right. It's Saturday night; I have no date, a two-liter bottle of Shasta and my all-Rush mix-tape... Let's rock.

Xenomrph posted:

I’m looking at the T-Flight in Amazon and there’s an $80 “for PC and PS4” model and a $58 “for PC and PS3” model. I assume the cheaper one is the older model, but it’s also rated higher than the new one and has 10x as many reviews. Is there an appreciable difference between the two, and is it worth spending the extra $25 for the newer model?

I think it's just a reskin. you can skim the amazon "questions" section to try to glean more info

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