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Finished the new x wing book that came out. There are all sorts of vague references to Vanguard Squadron fighting through hell these last few months, so it seems like there’s gonna be overlap in the story.
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Trevor Hale posted:Finished the new x wing book that came out. Which one is that? I can only find references to the original X-Wing Rogue Squadron books. EDIT - Found it - https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Alphabet_Squadron_(novel) ElZilcho fucked around with this message at 03:53 on Jun 29, 2020 |
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Jun 29, 2020 03:43
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Alphabet Squadron is 1; Shadow Fall just came out this week. That’s the second in the trilogy.
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Jun 29, 2020 04:09
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DurosKlav posted:Wrong! TIE Interceptors are the best. The Empire did nothing wrong. 
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Jun 29, 2020 06:08
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Taintrunner posted:The Empire did nothing wrong. Well, they should've gone with Thrawn's Defenders over the Death Star, but....
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Jun 29, 2020 12:11
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Well if we go by the correct story and not the Rebels version then the Tie Defenders were going all nice and smoothly until loving Admiral Zaarin went rogue and tried to play off both the empire and the rebellion while dismantling the Defender production line and stealing the rest of the ships for his personal use. Ended up needing to take the remains of the Tie Avenger program out to level the playing field a bit even though that production line had been hampered by both Harkov's defection and Zaarin's rebellion.
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Jun 29, 2020 22:05
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Arcsquad12 posted:the correct story and not the Rebels version 
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Jun 29, 2020 22:32
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Tie Fighter has a better story than Rebels. It has Thrawn and it doesn't have star wars Aladdin. Also the Empire solves a civil war between the Republicans and the Democrats by holding their children at gunpoint and forcing them to sign an armistice or be destroyed.
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Jun 29, 2020 22:33
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Anybody read the new Alphabet Squadron book? Any good?
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Jun 29, 2020 23:42
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Alphabet Squadron: the Star Wars reader for kids!
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Jun 29, 2020 23:44
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Mixed squadrons are a bad idea. You travel at the pace of your slowest ship. That's why you put your ships into two squadrons so your fighters fly coverage for your bombers and attack craft.
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Jun 29, 2020 23:46
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Arcsquad12 posted:Mixed squadrons are a bad idea. You travel at the pace of your slowest ship. this new game is all about mixed squadrons and how they’re not nearly as bad of an idea as you think. Like it’s basically Alphabet Squadron: The Game. Why would you travel at the pace of the slowest ship, let the A-wings do their job and intercept the enemy fighters and then the Y-wings blow poo poo up. That works whether it’s 1 squadron of 5 different ships, or 60 pilots broken up into 5 squadrons. I mean, the old flightsims let you run mixed squadrons and if you knew your role and did it, everyone was okay. If you’re letting fighters through to harass your Y-wing, that means you aren’t doing your job whether you’re the only X-wing on the field or you’re one of a whole mob of them. Edited to remove the snark Xenomrph fucked around with this message at 00:27 on Jun 30, 2020 |
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Jun 30, 2020 00:00
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Mustache Ride posted:Anybody read the new Alphabet Squadron book? Any good? It’s nice to read star fighter books again. The author is a better writer than Stackpole was, but they’re tripling down on being from the POV of some severely hosed up and unlikable people, so that’s weird. It’s the competent and fun story of Wraith Squadron but with oodles more PTSD
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Have I not established that I'm a pedantic nerd yet? I tried defending the tie fighter as a capable fighter craft by comparing it to frigging Gundam. Of course I'm gonna harp on how I think mixed squadrons are a bad idea that at best get put together for desperate ad-hoc formations when wing cohesion has collapsed.
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Arcsquad12 posted:Have I not established that I'm a pedantic nerd yet? I tried defending the tie fighter as a capable fighter craft by comparing it to frigging Gundam. Of course I'm gonna harp on how I think mixed squadrons are a bad idea that at best get put together for desperate ad-hoc formations when wing cohesion has collapsed. It’s just such a weird mentality IMO - every sports team in any team-based sport is essentially a mixed squadron, with individuals of different roles coordinating to the benefit of the entire team. There are dozens of class-based videogames with teams made of specialists working together (Battlefield, Battlefront, Overwatch, Team Fortress, Rainbow 6 Siege), but somehow space sims are where the concept just... falls apart?
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Xenomrph posted:It’s just such a weird mentality IMO - every sports team in any team-based sport is essentially a mixed squadron, with individuals of different roles coordinating to the benefit of the entire team. There are dozens of class-based videogames with teams made of specialists working together (Battlefield, Battlefront, Overwatch, Team Fortress, Rainbow 6 Siege), but somehow space sims are where the concept just... falls apart? Again, I am a nerd for this kind of thing. Air combat like anything else relies on combined arms to achieve success, but that doesn't mean that when the airforce launches a strike group that they send up an A-10, an F-15 and a Raptor together. I get that combat based videogames implement combined arms cooperation on a micro scale but I like it when I can play a game where each ship is assigned to a wing or squadron of the same type and they fulfill their roles in concert. Like in Tie Fighter where Assault Gunboats and Tie Advanced groups would have an attack wing going after heavy ships while two pairs of Avengers would fly space superiority missions and clear a path for the heavies to do their job. I liked in War Thunder when they did the historical events that limited the types of planes you could fly so that specific scenarios could be played out. I'm a pedantic nerd who likes big airplane dogfights and logistics, and I hope that despite this game being 6v6 there's still going to be plenty of AI controlled fighter squadrons that do operate as groups of bombers, interceptors and superiority fighters. For that matter I also think that the USA's current mentality of making a one size fits all multirole fighter with the F-35 is a waste of time because you can achieve the same goal with cheaper alternatives using combined arms rather than throwing trillions into a wunderwaffe boondoggle. Military contractors have the same mentality as a lot of games where everyone wants to be the supersoldier, or fly the unique hero ship that is better than all the others. There's enough of that to go around that I like finding games where I am one of many, stuck facing down rebels in an unshielded tie fighter hoping to god I can get inside his turning radius before he lands a quad shot on my rear end. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 02:36 on Jun 30, 2020 |
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In the books, they’re an ad hoc intelligence group with no funding and stolen ships. There’s also internal dialogue about how dumb it is.
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A mixed squadron of hyperdrive capable hit and run craft is fine. A mixed squadron of TIE Fighters and Bombers is really dumb. Going at the speed of the slowest craft only matters before entering engagement range, and the Rebels don't really need to worry about that.
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Squadrons composed of multiple craft with different capabilities is really dumb because it's a logistical nightmare. That's why in real life multiple squadrons work together in larger organizational units.
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Trevor Hale posted:It’s nice to read star fighter books again. The author is a better writer than Stackpole was, but they’re tripling down on being from the POV of some severely hosed up and unlikable people, so that’s weird. It’s the competent and fun story of Wraith Squadron but with oodles more PTSD Tone-wise it really reminds me of the first season and a half of Battlestar Galactica, when it was good
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Cross-Section posted:Tone-wise it really reminds me of the first season and a half of Battlestar Galactica, when it was good *whispers* I liked all of BSG
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HerpicleOmnicron5 posted:A mixed squadron of hyperdrive capable hit and run craft is fine. A mixed squadron of TIE Fighters and Bombers is really dumb. Going at the speed of the slowest craft only matters before entering engagement range, and the Rebels don't really need to worry about that. Ehh, I get that this is a pedantic argument, but... it's a Star Wars thread. So here goes. If all you can muster for one "arm" of your combined arms unit is a single fighter, then so be it. But you really, really, really want uniform equipment across a single role for the sake of logistical and doctrinal streamlining, and tactically a single fighter is historically far less capable than at least a pair that can cover each other. That's why you don't want different fighters with different maneuver envelopes even on the tactical level: wingmen are going to either lose cohesion or be restricted to the slower/less maneuverable of the fighter craft. And don't underestimate the importance of strategic mobility for asymmetric warfare (which is what the rebellion is doing); there's plenty of space encompassed by gravity wells, which your hyperdrive is not going to get you across. That's why, say, a single X-Wing and a single A-Wing escorting a single Y-Wing and a single B-Wing is not in any way what you want. I'd much rather have a single escorting maneuver element of either a pair of A-Wings (for reaction speed / interception) or X-Wings (durability and firepower in a stand-up fight) than a mixed composition that gives me two vastly weaker maneuver elements due to lack of wingmen. It can be sold as an example of the rebels' shoestring operations, but even through most of the past fiction the rebellion has managed to pull together wing pairs at a minimum for a given combat role. What's annoying is that this setup is very clearly driven by the constraints of the multiplayer player count that the devs want, whether for technical or game design reasons. That's fine as a gameplay concession, but it's silly to try to sell with in-universe logic. Trevor Hale posted:*whispers* I liked all of BSG More hosed up than mixed squadrons. Corbeau fucked around with this message at 05:40 on Jun 30, 2020 |
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Its an arena based video game, not a faithful recreation of the actual historic star wars that happened a long time ago in a galaxy far far away
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Jun 30, 2020 07:19
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Yes, but pedantry https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NC7bHxwzfS0
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Jun 30, 2020 07:23
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I was waiting for someone to link that (bad, wrong) video.
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Jun 30, 2020 12:24
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All of the historic records from the star wars are lost and the video is referencing fictional accounts
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I don't believe it was mentioned anywhere but surely the game is going to run at 60FPS, right?
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it's gonna need to run at a solid 90 for vr so i'd say yes
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Mr. Neutron posted:I don't believe it was mentioned anywhere but surely the game is going to run at 60FPS, right? As Truga said, 90 is the standard framerate for VR, so it has to at least hit that even on consoles. They could do something phenomenally dumb where they lock it at 30 otherwise, but I haven't seen anyone do that in a long time.
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Green Man Gaming sent me an offer for the preorder at 10% off. Save you some $4bux
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use steam summer sale coupon to slash $5 off squadrons and you can cancel anytime before launch
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I just found out about this and it's very exciting if it's good. My friend was mentioning that it's a bit concerning that they don't appear to have released any significant gameplay footage (the gameplay trailer just has a lot of short cuts), and I kind of agree with his concerns, but I still hope it manages to turn out good. It's kind of weird that there hasn't been a game like this earlier (since the old Star Wars sims anyways). It seems like a space sim like this would be comparatively easy to make, since the physics involved should be much less complex than actual flight sims.
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Ytlaya posted:It's kind of weird that there hasn't been a game like this earlier (since the old Star Wars sims anyways). It seems like a space sim like this would be comparatively easy to make, since the physics involved should be much less complex than actual flight sims. Everyone involved in space sims has spent the last few years ogling the Star Citizen train wreck
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Mr. Neutron posted:I don't believe it was mentioned anywhere but surely the game is going to run at 60FPS, right? It was going to run at 60 fps but now it has to account for the slowest rig in a mixed session 
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Thing is that all 5 can run x-wings if the situation allows it so all the mixed squad stuff is really dependent on your teammates more than any sort of doctrine or whatever you want to apply to it. I wouldn’t be surprised if premades of 4 intys in a fist with a support boat behind them is dominant.
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So now that I have a new VR system as of yesterday this game needs to come out pronto October? COME ON MAN
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TK-42-1 posted:Thing is that all 5 can run x-wings if the situation allows it so all the mixed squad stuff is really dependent on your teammates more than any sort of doctrine or whatever you want to apply to it. I wouldn’t be surprised if premades of 4 intys in a fist with a support boat behind them is dominant. 5 Y-wings or bust.
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McSpanky posted:It was going to run at 60 fps but now it has to account for the slowest rig in a mixed session Look just because an A-Wing has a class 1 hyperdrive doesn't mean it has the legs for fuel for multiple long range jumps and furthermore
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Chomp8645 posted:5 Y-wings or bust. 
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I liked how in xwa there wasn’t really much balance besides the points system. Like a b wing is superior to the y wing in every way and was just worth more points.
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