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More updates from Door County from my mom. For the uninitiated, Door County is a very popular vacation destination in Wisconsin, particularly for wealthy FIBs (aka Illinoisans) coming up from the city to sit around for a weekend on their boat or in their cabin and then go back to Chicago talking about how it was super nice to live "rough" for that long! It's miserably hot and humid there (90 degrees, 85%+ humidity, no wind) so everyone is either miserably sweating outside or they're jostling each other to get into the bars and restaurants. People are standing in line elbow-to-elbow waiting to get into overcapacity bars and restaurants. It's busier than she's ever seen it (she's spent basically every summer there for the past 15 years sailing across the lakes with her boyfriend in their small sailboat), presumably everyone is taking the opportunity to get away from being "locked down" and get out-and-about combined with the holiday. The (official) fireworks and the various celebrations/parades/etc have been cancelled but that hasn't stopped the crowds. The crowds are like 70% retired or about-to-retire boomers, 30% young families. Wisconsin hasn't been doing great with COVID but I'm convinced this weekend in Door County is going to be an outbreak event.
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PerniciousKnid posted:With so many sports people infected, statistically it won't be long before we hear some "so-and-so retired due to covid19 organ damage" stories, right? Yeah it's just a matter of time, though athletes are going to be in much better health than 99.9% of the people catching this virus. But the lung damage (which I think has been reported to be very common to the point it's showing up in asymptomatic patients?) is going to be trouble for basically any sport where you're doing a lot of aerobic exertion.
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a.lo posted:so when do you start showing symptoms? I know it could take 14 days but can it be as little as 2? Depends on the initial viral load(and probably other things specific to the individual), if you're hanging out with a bunch of screaming sick people for hours in a bar and inhaling a bunch of virus, you could show symptoms pretty quickly.
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Gio posted:https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1279430036735561731?s=20 inthink COVID-19 would be the first thing on my mind if I went to a bar
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SKULL.GIF posted:More updates from Door County from my mom. For the uninitiated, Door County is a very popular vacation destination in Wisconsin, particularly for wealthy FIBs (aka Illinoisans) coming up from the city to sit around for a weekend on their boat or in their cabin and then go back to Chicago talking about how it was super nice to live "rough" for that long! lol that owns. how much does a sailboat cost
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Jul 4, 2020 16:41
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gamer roomie is 41 posted:This "welcome home.... *to your job*!!!" is already sick american propaganda without the implicit virus-denial. In a theme park parking lot at night, a worker sleeps in her car. This is life in America’s most visited city
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SKULL.GIF posted:More updates from Door County from my mom. For the uninitiated, Door County is a very popular vacation destination in Wisconsin, particularly for wealthy FIBs (aka Illinoisans) coming up from the city to sit around for a weekend on their boat or in their cabin and then go back to Chicago talking about how it was super nice to live "rough" for that long! ya Boston is weirdly dead this weekend. I assume an unusually high number of people left the city for the 4th. good luck Maine
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Rhesus Pieces posted:In a theme park parking lot at night, a worker sleeps in her car. This is life in America’s most visited city The two breaking news headlines at the top of that page are amazing together. "You're gonna die, but do it at these beaches while they're open."
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In Training posted:inthink COVID-19 would be the first thing on my mind if I went to a bar especially in Arizona and especially no one wearing masks
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Jul 4, 2020 16:44
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a.lo posted:so when do you start showing symptoms? I know it could take 14 days but can it be as little as 2? Yes 2-14 days. Median is 5 days. IIRC 5% of cases will show symptoms in as little as 2 days and 95% will have symptoms after 14 days (which means 5% of cases will take longer than 14 days)
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Jul 4, 2020 16:46
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fits my needs posted:lol that owns. how much does a sailboat cost wildly variable on how old it is, how big it is, what type it is, how much work it needs, etc. I think her boyfriend paid something like 12 to 14 grand for the boat a couple decades ago? I'd have to ask.
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Jul 4, 2020 16:47
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covid is the first thing on my mind wherever I go how dumb are these people
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Jul 4, 2020 16:48
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11458 new cases in Florida lmao I'm loving hooting and hollering.
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Jul 4, 2020 16:51
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nooneofconsequence posted:covid is the first thing on my mind wherever I go how dumb are these people Same, I call the outside world "The Hot Zone" these days
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Jul 4, 2020 16:52
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Rhesus Pieces posted:all the states reopening poo poo in spite of the numbers can all see the writing on the wall but they don't care, they want to wring out as much labor and economic activity as they can before everything inevitably goes to poo poo I think the real issue for the non-chud places is that successful defense against a pandemic requires it to look like you are overreacting. And no one is willing to look like they are overreacting.
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Jul 4, 2020 16:53
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holy poo poo Florida is hosed. at least New York could say that it’s densely populated but Florida is pretty spread out and it’s still spreading like wildfire the next month down there is going to be wild
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SKULL.GIF posted:Yeah it's just a matter of time, though athletes are going to be in much better health than 99.9% of the people catching this virus. But on the other hand, the demands on athletes are higher than "walk from the couch to the fridge without wheezing." Like, imagine a soccer team where a few of your starters can't play a full 90min any more.
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Mr Hootington posted:11458 new cases in Florida lmao 11434 was new Yorks record on 4/15 per 91-divoc using John Hopkins data which I think pulls from worldometers Absolute legends in Florida
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Mr Hootington posted:11458 new cases in Florida lmao 11488 cases you say
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Fact: COVID-19 was developed by Burisma using Clinton Foundation money laundered through George Soros's bank accounts and secretly unleashed in Wuhan under cover of the Gates Foundation. TRUMP THAT MR DEATH TRUMP THAT
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https://twitter.com/680TheFan/status/1279435683212546049?s=20 Freeman is 30 and a 4-time all-star.
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Mr Hootington posted:11458 new cases in Florida lmao oh god we are so screwed
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Interview with epidemiologist Michael Osterholm, founder and director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota, from June 17. https://www.npr.org/2020/06/17/879255417/amid-confusion-about-reopening-an-expert-explains-how-to-assess-covid-risk quote:On why he wouldn't recommend getting an antibody test
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Mr Hootington posted:11458 new cases in Florida lmao 
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Retweeted by prez https://twitter.com/RichardGrenell/status/1279055041148510208?s=19
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many such cases
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went to sturgeon bay in door county for a wedding once, got called a human being 3 times when i told people i was from california
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fits my needs posted:i feel like i saw this same article a month ago and before that and CNN is fake newws yeah the media was pushing youth casualties in mid march, i think the most egregious was a 29yo woman who had corona-like symptoms, like a week later they quietly reported she tested negative this is like groundhog day except now I know to stock up on things in advance
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Iron Crowned posted:Same, I call the outside world "The Hot Zone" these days the Hot Zone miniseries (natgeo 2019) is p good and very faithful to the book if anyone wants some doom media!
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Mayor Dave posted:Retweeted by prez this is the Detroit study where like 75% of the chloroquine patients also got steroids and the non chloroquine population only had like 25% steroids, right? lmao
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Marx Headroom posted:yeah the media was pushing youth casualties in mid march, i think the most egregious was a 29yo woman who had corona-like symptoms, like a week later they quietly reported she tested negative sincere question: whatre you implying?
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heavy liquid posted:Interview with epidemiologist Michael Osterholm, founder and director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota, from June 17. He's giving out of date information. The major hospital labs and testing companies do their own internal validation and QC before offering a test for sale. This combined with the major diagnostic companies offering their own self-developed kits has eliminated a lot of the junk. He's right that March/April was the wild west with minimal oversight, but not anymore. quote:If I were to test a large segment of the population today, half of all the test results that came back positive would actually be false positive — meaning they didn't really have the antibody. ... I would not use it at this point as a way of telling an individual patient that they did or didn't have COVID. This is flat-out wrong. A validated test run by a licensed lab is not going to give a 50% false-positive rate, it's more like less than 1%. quote:. The final piece is, of course, we don't know what antibody really means in terms of your own protection. We're worried that we're gonna start seeing people take different approaches to how they protect themselves if they think they're antibody positive. This is true. A positive serology test only means your immune system was exposed to the virus and generated antibodies against it. We don't know exactly how that correlates to immunity beyond a vague "antibodies = immune".
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heavy liquid posted:Interview with epidemiologist Michael Osterholm, founder and director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota, from June 17. This isn't the same as a false positive rate of 50%. It's consistent with a false positive rate that's about equal to the expected prevalence. IE if you think the chances someone has something is 1%, and you give them a test with a 1% FPR, if the test comes back positive, there's maybe a 50% chance they actually have it. That's the Positive Predict Value of a test. 50% obviously pretty poo poo for diagnostic purposes, but if the prevalence is significantly higher than the FPR, you can till use the test, that's just not true in most places right now though.
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Spoondick posted:went to sturgeon bay in door county for a wedding once, got called a human being 3 times when i told people i was from california you got off easy! SAD. turnip! in reality just say you’re a packers fan to blend in
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We make our own tests now, and we're also testing both PCR and antibodies multiples times for our hospital worker research study. Every week for four weeks, then a month later, then 3 months later. It was utter poo poo back in Feb and March when we had to get tests from the CDC though, especially since we couldn't request them unless the patient fit the criteria (aka been to China).
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Uuudar posted:Yeah the chud-o-sphere is hooting about this right now I love how current events in this country has basically just been trying to figure out what scene from a Cormac McCarthy novel something makes me think of. In this case, the part where Chigurh is about to kill the other bounty hunter
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Jul 4, 2020 17:41
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only this amount of people will die. just add it on to the pile.
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Gio posted:https://twitter.com/680TheFan/status/1279435683212546049?s=20 Noooooooooo 
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Gio posted:https://twitter.com/680TheFan/status/1279435683212546049?s=20 change team name to atlanta graves
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