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EbolaIvory posted:New ones out. Yeah co-op is where VRigade 1 was actually fun and not miserable. Turns out having even one other person to get shot at evens things out a lot!! I'm not a fan of the style of VRigade 2 though, it looks more generic than VRigade 1 did. Though, it IS getting good reviews..hm..a shame there's no co-op yet.
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Goodguy3 posted:Yeah co-op is where VRigade 1 was actually fun and not miserable. Turns out having even one other person to get shot at evens things out a lot!! Sounds like how I felt with 1. I'll try and remember to post an update about it. Just installed it off viveport so w/e. Its on infinity. Needed something to do tomorrow that isn't all beat saber anyways. 
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Nocheez posted:What's crazy is my online friends tell me the index microphone is better than my normal headphone mic. I gave in and recorded myself speaking on the index and over a Yeti one day. The index isn't quite as good but it's still very very good. KingKapalone posted:I'd say blurry. The text on the ammo pickup popup is entirely illegible unless I'm up close, but the text even on the wall in the SteamVR home isn't nearly as sharp as how it would look on my monitor. I'm sure there's a term for this effect but essentially you're trying to render text on a sign that takes up a significant part of your real vision but only like 700x500px on a screen. So poo poo gets blurred when you instinctively wouldn't think it should be. It becomes a lot more obvious when you pull up your desktop to check discord or something and try to render your 2560x1440 screen over a half the viewing area of your 2880x1600 index. Visually, it's only like 4 feet in front of your face and instinctively you would think everything should be fine, but lol. You get used to it/learn how to cope. That's what it sounds like you're dealing with, and it really hosed me up too. I'm also a 1070 haver though so whatup bad framerate crew
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RandomBlue posted:Going to get my skull reshaped so my IPD is exactly average. Is your avatar a selfie 
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Marxalot posted:Is your avatar a selfie I wish my eyes were that close together. e: 
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Wow. I just started playing it and have no idea what I'm doing, but h3vr is something special
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w00tmonger posted:Wow. I just started playing it and have no idea what I'm doing, but h3vr is something special Start with the Sampler, it'll walk you through the basics of gun usage.
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Lemming posted:The limits you're running into with respect to latency and stuff are probably not mostly due to bandwidth; that's part of how they were able to get the Link to work with USB 2.0. Interesting read, thanks for the link. It doesn't really explain why pinarello dogman gets 30ms and I get 80ms at presumably the max bandwidth rate though. I redid my network setup a bit an used the AC68U router as a dedicated access point (wired to proprietary router). The latency reported in VD is the same, but the Longbow game experience was noticeably smoother. Did some chatting on the VR discord and it seems like it could be the fact that I have an AMD gfx card and that the encoding "sucks" for AMD atm.
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MrOnBicycle posted:Interesting read, thanks for the link. It doesn't really explain why pinarello dogman gets 30ms and I get 80ms at presumably the max bandwidth rate though. I redid my network setup a bit an used the AC68U router as a dedicated access point (wired to proprietary router). The latency reported in VD is the same, but the Longbow game experience was noticeably smoother. Did some chatting on the VR discord and it seems like it could be the fact that I have an AMD gfx card and that the encoding "sucks" for AMD atm. This is probably the key, at the end of the day the reported latency doesn't really matter (it still matters some ofc) for the game feel. Virtual desktop can't entirely get rid of the hand tracking latency, so you basically need to decide if whatever thing you're doing feels good enough to play with it. If it does, great, if not, Link will probably feel pretty good, but now you've got to deal with the cable and everything
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Lemming posted:This is probably the key, at the end of the day the reported latency doesn't really matter (it still matters some ofc) for the game feel. Virtual desktop can't entirely get rid of the hand tracking latency, so you basically need to decide if whatever thing you're doing feels good enough to play with it. If it does, great, if not, Link will probably feel pretty good, but now you've got to deal with the cable and everything Yeah. The Quest really spoils you with being able to play wireless as well.
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MrOnBicycle posted:Interesting read, thanks for the link. It doesn't really explain why pinarello dogman gets 30ms and I get 80ms at presumably the max bandwidth rate though. I redid my network setup a bit an used the AC68U router as a dedicated access point (wired to proprietary router). The latency reported in VD is the same, but the Longbow game experience was noticeably smoother. Did some chatting on the VR discord and it seems like it could be the fact that I have an AMD gfx card and that the encoding "sucks" for AMD atm. My issues I was taking about with my AMD card a couple pages back feel like it's performing poorly on the GPU than a latency thing. That said, I haven't really fully tested the AMD for latency yet, since it's on my regular mesh network which gets around 80mhz. I also have a dedicated AC68U to VR and in the past had been running Virtual Desktop with decent latency (30 to 40) - but this was on my former gaming laptop with a NVIDIA card. I have yet to try this setup with my new AMD PC, which seems to be same regardless of link or VD. (The RT68U / VR setup is in an entirely other room which I need half a day free to migrate everything over to test). Try turning your other router off and run the AC68 by itself, with steam in offline mode. This will stop any interference. Also set it to wireless N only and 40mhz channel bandwidth.
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Isometric Bacon posted:My issues I was taking about with my AMD card a couple pages back feel like it's performing poorly on the GPU than a latency thing. That said, I haven't really fully tested the AMD for latency yet, since it's on my regular mesh network which gets around 80mhz. I'll try this when I got home again. Ran out of time today. Thanks. Edit: I tried Walking Dead and in that game it was basically the problem that Lemmin described above where the headset itself isn't lagging, but the movement has a noticeable delay. I ended up refunding it as I read that it'll be crossplatform if bought from Oculus store instead of Steam. MrOnBicycle fucked around with this message at 11:50 on Jul 6, 2020 |
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hhhat posted:I tried a couple of them and they felt really empty... I think for a shooty game i'd prefer to be doing an on rails thing like the old school arcade games? just send waves of aliens or whatever my way and let me mow them down Space Pirate Trainer might be your jam.
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MrOnBicycle posted:Yeah. The Quest really spoils you with being able to play wireless as well. This is, IMO, the number one thing all future vr headsets need to focus on. Cables are really annoying and limiting. Turning the quest into a wireless steam vr system with no lighthouses is awesome and I just wish I didn't need to gently caress with virtual desktop to do it.
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It's a prerequisite for me. I can't go back, even for sitting games it's now essential. It's one of the reasons why I think Rift S is next on the chopping block, as an official Quest WiFi VR streaming solution from Oculus is inevitable and would make the S a very poor value proposition. It only just barely has it's niche now, but with the upcoming release of the (admittedly more expensive) Reverb G2, provided it isn't fatally flawed in some way, offers much better value on behalf of it's ridiculously high resolution panels.
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hhhat posted:that was really easy and rewarding not to worry, friend: https://bsaber.com/beat-saber-goes-90s/ https://bsaber.com/bloq-busters-vol-4-high-octane/ there's plenty of boomer-friendly music. mods are great!
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i'd also really recommend you take a quick look through these - the mod assistant makes it trivially easy to install mods: https://bsaber.com/plugins/ Song Browser is an absolute godsend. fixes the fact that beat saber's song picker sucks dong. i think Mapping Extensions is the one that lets you play maps that have awesome effects like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8OFzHL2aT0&t=173s (02:56). not sure about the name but the mod assistant tells you what the mods are anyway. again, click the checkbox and hit the "install or update" button, and you're done!
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Tried Half Life Alyx with a Vive Pro this evening as another attempt to compare my PC performance against the Quest. Still seem to get the same hitches when switching weapons or smooth locomotion, despite otherwise running at a decent framerate when still. Tried a bunch of other apps that seemed to be the same, or maybe slightly better with the straight headset. But that might be more to do with 90hz over 72 hz perhaps. I expect perhaps I was just a bit naive in thinking the 5700xt performance would be better than I'm getting, or the AMD drivers are just outright lovely for VR. Indeed, VR was almost entireably unusable until I rolled back the driver to a previous version...
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LA Noire developer says it’s working on a ‘AAA open world VR game’ for Rockstar
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Isometric Bacon posted:Tried Half Life Alyx with a Vive Pro this evening as another attempt to compare my PC performance against the Quest. Still seem to get the same hitches when switching weapons or smooth locomotion, despite otherwise running at a decent framerate when still. What graphics settings are you running Alyx at? I have a 5600xt and a Quest and get hitching when switching weapons on Medium settings, but it's smooth on Low. From reading a few decent comparisons between AMD and NVIDIA cards for VR and trying out my old 970, it seems like the drivers really let down AMD cards in VR (the 5600xt is much faster than the 970, but performance doesn't seem as consistent from game to game). There are some games where AMD cards run just as well (or even better) than similar NVIDIA cards, but others where AMD cards are 25% slower than NVIDIA cards they would beat at 1440p. I have also seen some comments about NVIDIA cards handling the video encoding used for Quest Link better than AMD, but haven't found any technical info about how/why that would be the case. Have you tried turning on the Steam VR performance HUD? Using it with both the Vive Pro and the Quest should show how much (if any) difference there is between them and give you a better sense of when reprojection and frame drops are happening.
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SCheeseman posted:It's a prerequisite for me. I can't go back, even for sitting games it's now essential. It's one of the reasons why I think Rift S is next on the chopping block, as an official Quest WiFi VR streaming solution from Oculus is inevitable and would make the S a very poor value proposition. It only just barely has it's niche now, but with the upcoming release of the (admittedly more expensive) Reverb G2, provided it isn't fatally flawed in some way, offers much better value on behalf of it's ridiculously high resolution panels. The Rift S going on the chopping block is a matter of when, not if. The Quest offers far better value, whether by planning or happy accident, and they have to share it with Lenovo. At this point it's a waiting game to see if Oculus will kill it with a Quest revision that has a 90hz refresh rate (because the only thing holding that back is FCC licensing), or if they wait for the new Del Mar Headset to roll out.
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Dietrich posted:Space Pirate Trainer might be your jam. I'll check it out! Thanks Inacio posted:not to worry, friend: Excuse me I'm genX I'm not part of the worst generation thankyouverymuch Inacio posted:i'd also really recommend you take a quick look through these - the mod assistant makes it trivially easy to install mods: https://bsaber.com/plugins/ this is awesome and you're awesome
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hhhat posted:Excuse me I'm genX I'm not part of the worst generation thankyouverymuch dont worry im in my late 20s so im a boomer too
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Neddy Seagoon posted:At this point it's a waiting game to see if Oculus will kill it with a Quest revision that has a 90hz refresh rate (because the only thing holding that back is FCC licensing), or if they wait for the new Del Mar Headset to roll out. So, could current headsets be "unlocked" to allow 90Hz?
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seravid posted:So, could current headsets be "unlocked" to allow 90Hz? I think they theoretically could be. John Carmack mentioned that the displays can actually run at t90Hz, it's all hard-coded to 72Hz because it was stable for mobile gaming and changing it would violate the FCC certification.
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I think there are some people working on 90Hz mods. Forgot the name of the youtube channel though.
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Inacio posted:i'd also really recommend you take a quick look through these - the mod assistant makes it trivially easy to install mods: https://bsaber.com/plugins/ Mapping extensions and noodle as well. You need noodle for the crazy wall map poo poo. Also chroma. Gonna need that too. Lol
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Good Lord those reverb G2 controllers look like rear end. Does seem to be a good sim headset though. Can you use other controllers with those headsets or are they locked to whatever they ship with? I'm an original rift haver and I'm looking to upgrade in the next year or so.
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Looking for recommendations for a VR racer, something that I can play on my Quest through the Link. I don't have a wheel, so something that plays ok with a 360 controller. Doesn't have to be a super-realistic sim - I more just want a nice VR experience, so it is fine if it is more on the arcade side. Bonus points if it is in the current steam sale. I bought Assetto Corsa in the sale yesterday, but I've now refunded it because the VR integration was really poor - all the out-of-race menus only show up on the monitor, not the headset and require removing the headset to use keyboard/mouse. Apparently there's various mods and launcher add-ons that can help, but I can't really be bothered with the hassle.
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Deanut Pancer posted:Looking for recommendations for a VR racer, something that I can play on my Quest through the Link. I don't have a wheel, so something that plays ok with a 360 controller. Doesn't have to be a super-realistic sim - I more just want a nice VR experience, so it is fine if it is more on the arcade side. Bonus points if it is in the current steam sale. I have banged the drum for shameless Wipeout clone Ballistic NG multiple times in this thread and will continue to do so. It's about $6 in the Steam sale and has an expansion coming out in a few weeks.
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Grabbed that, thanks. I used to play a lot (a LOT) of Extreme G on the GameCube with a friend, it was our “whoops the sun is up” game and this looks like it’ll be some flawless throwback. Hopefully with fewer bugs than that old piece of poo poo game, lol.
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I wish Sony would be cool and release Wipeout Omega Collection on Steam, that game is rad.
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Deanut Pancer posted:Looking for recommendations for a VR racer, something that I can play on my Quest through the Link. I don't have a wheel, so something that plays ok with a 360 controller. Doesn't have to be a super-realistic sim - I more just want a nice VR experience, so it is fine if it is more on the arcade side. Bonus points if it is in the current steam sale. Can't speak to the controller, but I remember Project Cars 2 having decent VR integration, especially after I got pissed off at how convuluted it was to get Assets Corsa to work.
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So this happened I did use the glasses spacer but guess my big rear end lenses were too much. Now I'm not going to use them again til the lens inserts arrive but has anyone tried to repair scratches? Should I just accept a bit of fuzziness and move on? (Bet it happened during that flashlight bit in Alyx)
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You can theoretically repair them with some plastic/watch polish, but before doing that I'd verify if the scratch actually causes any noticeable visual degradation first. If it doesn't, I'd just leave it be, rather than risking polishing out the scratch but ultimately making it worse by changing the way the lens focuses light in a larger area.
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