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Kraftwerk posted:I really would like to know what kind of compromises Mazda made to get the Mazda3 Turbo. I'm also looking forward to the excuses caranddriver will make about how the GTI/Golf R is still somehow better than it despite costing more and having less to offer in features and reliability. It's not going to be as capable as the GTI or Golf R.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:It's not going to be as capable as the GTI or Golf R. Yeah, it's not a perfroamnce package and while that 2.5T is amazing, it runs out of power just as fast. It'll feel like 500hp during normal daily driving then when you're wringing it out it'll feel like 250hp.
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The Mazda3 Turbo isn't a true hot hatch like a Civic R, Focus RS or Golf R but it opens the door a touch for a real Mazdaspeed 3 which would be awesome.
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Godzilla07 posted:FWIW even Honda won't give 2.0T 6MT Accord buyers an LSD They give Civic Si buyers an LSD. I think that's a potentially more relevant comparison.
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Jul 9, 2020 00:57
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:just buy a 300zx I had the option to be given my aunt and uncle's 300ZX TT over a decade ago. I declined because it was a slushbox and I was a manual elitist at the time. On Topic: Is anybody really going to give a poo poo about first gen F150 hybrids?
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Yuns posted:The Mazda3 Turbo isn't a true hot hatch like a Civic R, Focus RS or Golf R but it opens the door a touch for a real Mazdaspeed 3 which would be awesome. e: nevermind! Was wrong about auto trans availability on the Golf R.
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Jul 9, 2020 02:24
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New Seat Cupra El-Born. 310 mile range RWD electric hot hatch that looks great. https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/new-2021-cupra-el-born-vw-group%E2%80%99s-first-ev-hot-hatch  
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The Oldest Man posted:Also true in the sense that the the V6 is crippled by the transmission programming to prevent you from actually using most of that power. I actually thought that’s what the statement was intended to express on my first read. Don’t get me wrong - I had a V6 Camry as courtesy car when the dealer was performing the first warranty service on our 4Runner; it was hilarious. The FWD has no concept of what to do with the power, the transmission sucks half the fun out of it. It’s still hilarious and fun and the fact it exists is a marvel.
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Lord Stimperor posted:I have the sky active x Mazda and I kinda wanna see how the turbo feels I completely forgot that was even released Kraftwerk posted:I really would like to know what kind of compromises Mazda made to get the Mazda3 Turbo. I'm also looking forward to the excuses caranddriver will make about how the GTI/Golf R is still somehow better than it despite costing more and having less to offer in features and reliability. Not a Turbo-exclusive issue but the enormous C pillar on the hatchback does kinda blow from the one test drive I took. Cameras would help a lot. My Civic hatch has more
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Nut Bunnies posted:I completely forgot that was even released
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I've only driven a 2019 briefly but didn't think the C pillar was any worse than on my 2016 - neither is exactly easy to see out of.
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BuckyDoneGun posted:New Seat Cupra El-Born. 310 mile range RWD electric hot hatch that looks great. I'm not totally onboard with the front end but that's TBH quite interesting otherwise. Seems to tick off range / performace / charging speed nicely.
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BuckyDoneGun posted:New Seat Cupra El-Born. 310 mile range RWD electric hot hatch that looks great. inside looks nice
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Jul 9, 2020 05:36
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IIRC European spec Mazda3s were already available with heated steering wheel and 360 view cameras. The product planners for the US probably saved those for a new top trim
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Jul 9, 2020 05:52
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:I'm not totally onboard with the front end but that's TBH quite interesting otherwise. Seems to tick off range / performace / charging speed nicely. Looks are subjective of course, but beyond the good proportions and stance, what I really dig is that not a lot about it screams LOOK I’M AN ELECTRIC CAR. Yeah some of the front details maybe, but overall it looks like a regular old car.
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I don't like C pillar treatment much - too similar to an Astra which isn't a car worth copying.
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BuckyDoneGun posted:New Seat Cupra El-Born. 310 mile range RWD electric hot hatch that looks great. 0-60 in 7.5 seconds so more like a warm hatch but it does look pretty good otherwise. As always though it'll depend on the price and they probably won't make it (much) cheaper than the ID3.
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mobby_6kl posted:0-60 in 7.5 seconds so more like a warm hatch but it does look pretty good otherwise. As always though it'll depend on the price and they probably won't make it (much) cheaper than the ID3. It's funny how much standards have gone up for acceleration, because that's faster than a Mark IV GTI.
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:I'm not totally onboard with the front end but that's TBH quite interesting otherwise. Seems to tick off range / performace / charging speed nicely. Holy poo poo. A center console without a stupid and oversized shifter? Hiw can it be?
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:I'm not totally onboard with the front end but that's TBH quite interesting otherwise. Seems to tick off range / performace / charging speed nicely. The VAG MEB EVs may actually sit in the intersection of affordability, range, and something that you'd buy if it were powered by gas. Nothing in the current market hits all three points. The Model 3 has the range and is relatively affordable but absolutely no one would put up with its craptastic build quality if it were a gas car, even if it had an Alfa Romeo badge on the front. I get why people in the EV thread are excited about the Hyundai Kona EV because it's affordable and has the range, but no one here would ever consider a gas Kona. The e-Golf is affordable and is a car you'd buy if it were powered by a normal gas engine, but doesn't have the range. Finally the Taycan is a car you'd buy if it had a gas engine, and it has the range, but you have to do crimes to afford one.
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Godzilla07 posted:The VAG MEB EVs may actually sit in the intersection of affordability, range, and something that you'd buy if it were powered by gas. Nothing in the current market hits all three points. Agreed. It looks really good, I'll be interested to see the price.
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BuckyDoneGun posted:New Seat Cupra El-Born. 310 mile range RWD electric hot hatch that looks great. I mean it looks like a Peugeot but OK. Hoping one day the industry will offer 2 seater electric RWD stuff due to like 95% of journeys being single occupant.
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Olympic Mathlete posted:I mean it looks like a Peugeot but OK. Yeah I was going to say, that looks a lot like the previous gen Peugeot 208.
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:It's funny how much standards have gone up for acceleration, because that's faster than a Mark IV GTI. This. When I started driving, a 10 second 0-60 was good and under 7 seconds was fast.
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When I was young, my mk4 GTI felt like a rocket. I loved it. Now it’s totally eclipsed by nearly anything you can buy, but 180 whole HP!
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Godzilla07 posted:The VAG MEB EVs may actually sit in the intersection of affordability, range, and something that you'd buy if it were powered by gas. Nothing in the current market hits all three points. I think the Niro EV is pretty close. It's perfectly decent in its segment (although obviously AI goons wouldn't buy a gas powered Niro, that doesn't mean it's a bad car). I think it's all around a better implementation of the Kona EV.
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Cripes, that MB MBUX thing, was that an Onion article?
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BuckyDoneGun posted:New Seat Cupra El-Born. 310 mile range RWD electric hot hatch that looks great. That's better range than I get from my Mazda2. Electric future looking good.
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How is this real? That's an S-CLASS interior. Does anybody actually think that that looks luxurious or classy in any way?
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Jul 9, 2020 15:57
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sunaurus posted:How is this real? Mercedes gave up on classy a while back.
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It’s expensive so ergo it’s automatically classy
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My favourite part is that they can make the speedometer go to any number, and the only space the car will ever occupy is still only a 40 degree sweep.
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big crush on Chad OMG posted:It’s expensive so ergo it’s automatically classy Yeah this, it doesn't matter if it looks good or whatever as long as it's expensive enough.
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I can’t believe we aren’t talking about the new Corolla Cross!!!
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:It's funny how much standards have gone up for acceleration, because that's faster than a Mark IV GTI.
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Previa_fun posted:Mazdas six speed auto is fine. i mean its okay (have it in our cx-5) but i just dont see this car as anything more than a lukewarm hatch
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mobby_6kl posted:I specifically checked what the current GTI does before posting that. Under 6 seconds. Even the current Miata is 5.7 holy poo poo. An ND miata has honestly got some pull in the low gears now, it's just if you put your foot down past like 70 you're going nowhere
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We live in a wild time when even pretty mundane cars are within spitting distance of a sub-6 second 0-60. A V6 Camry is 5.8 seconds. The 2.0T Accord is 5.7 seconds. The new turbo Outback is 6.1 seconds. The Toyota Sienna and Honda Odyssey minivans are both in the mid 6-second range. (these were all quick google results, may not be 100% accurate but you get the idea)
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BraveUlysses posted:i mean its okay (have it in our cx-5) but i just dont see this car as anything more than a lukewarm hatch I think they're aiming more at cars like the A3, 2 series, or A class than cars like the Golf R or Type R
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