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Seven Hundred Bee posted:yea its been a pretty common claim in this thread, along with 'i dont understand why anyone would live in the suburbs, when you add in the cost of car ownership the city is cheaper!' Suburbs in America are a completely useless fabrication designed to increase consumption, mandate car ownership, and facilitate racialized disparities in basically every facet of society. No one is demanding that you live in a cube dorm in the nearest megacity but suburbs on the whole are extremely wasteful and unnecessary. There's probably a way for them to exist but the current model is untenable in the face of climate change if nothing else.
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Lemming posted:That's not what that guy said though he just mentioned some of the massive problems with suburbs which exist regardless of how many hot takes you've read the culture war between computer touchers happy to have gotten on the property ladder in a neighborhood like their parents' and computer touchers happy to live in apartments is exquisitely dull and pointless the suburbs were a tremendous mistake from a tremendous number of different angles, and their unsustainability constitutes a very real problem, which anyone trying to address impending climate disasters is going to have to address. the question is how much of that addressing will look like the mayor of Miami dumping ever-more tons of sand into the ocean to try to keep the beaches a thing that exists, and how much of that addressing will look like the light rail extensions suburbanites fight tooth and claw against happening.
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Getting upset with each other for understanding or failing to understand Teumps inane ramblings is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever read in this thread. I’m glad we’re back to suburbs chat.
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Jul 15, 2020 18:00
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DynamicSloth posted:Hey remember this lie from a million years ago?
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Yeowch!!! My Balls!!! posted:the culture war between computer touchers happy to have gotten on the property ladder in a neighborhood like their parents' and computer touchers happy to live in apartments is exquisitely dull and pointless Look man you can't criticize suburbs without proving Trump right so now we have to love suburbs more than Republicans, I don't make the rules
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DynamicSloth posted:Hey remember this lie from a million years ago? No surprises here.
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The police are a domestic insurgency
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DynamicSloth posted:Hey remember this lie from a million years ago? lol i COMPLETELY forgot about bloomberg, that was an entire lifetime ago
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DynamicSloth posted:Hey remember this lie from a million years ago? He achieved his goal to stem Bernmentum.
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FlamingLiberal posted:His only goal was to stop Bernie, and once that was achieved he peaced out Well, he had very little to do with it. If anything he helped Bernie. If he had a stronger showing in the race, Bernie might have been able to win on Super Tuesday. *shrug*
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Lemming posted:Look man you can't criticize suburbs without proving Trump right so now we have to love suburbs more than Republicans, I don't make the rules It's pretty clear that he means Biden will force black people to buy houses in white suburbs at gunpoint and is stoking the fears of geriatric white people who remember the 60s.
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You know, I kind of wish Steyer had kept in it so we could have had him as the capitalist compromise instead of Biden.
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Mat Cauthon posted:Suburbs in America are a completely useless fabrication designed to increase consumption, mandate car ownership, and facilitate racialized disparities in basically every facet of society. Cool so what does "abolish the suburbs" mean in a practical sense? What is the actual plan for a human population to live completely inside city centers?
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:https://twitter.com/6abc/status/1283412818696470532?s=20 Trump, in 2 hours: "Actually if you require kids to wash their hands at all I'm sending in the national guard"
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Don't megacorps like MS basically just straight up donate to everybody in order to curry favor with high ranking officials? 5k is probably what MicroSoft makes every second, so it's really not a bad trade...
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GENUINE CAT HERDER posted:Don't megacorps like MS basically just straight up donate to everybody in order to curry favor with high ranking officials? Yes? It's a good trade for both the corrupt politician and the corporation, I guess everyone wins.
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GENUINE CAT HERDER posted:Don't megacorps like MS basically just straight up donate to everybody in order to curry favor with high ranking officials? yea it's fine to give the nazi money, actually
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Manager Hoyden posted:"No one should be allowed to live outside desireable city centers" is just about the the stupidest, most privileged hot take I have ever heard, and that is after reading Trump's word salad above. It's hard to legit disagree with it because it would be like arguing in good faith with a toddler who claims the sky is made of boogers. it's just people who grew up in suburbs making controversial but sincere political statements for giggles. there is no effective way to reform or banish them at all and suburbs will still be there long after all of us are gone to dust so let people kick over sand castles if they want
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And in other evidence of the system working: https://twitter.com/GeoffRBennett/status/1283446143075127296 NY DA has already agreed to delay enforcing the subpoena until July 27.
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I'm no political genius BUT At the exact moment a pandemic is ravaging America, the economy is collapsing, millions are about to be homeless, and millions are marching in the streets against police wantonly murdering innocent people, perhaps the best tack to take if you are the incumbent just maybe might not be, "My opponent won't keep you safe!" It's like if loving Martians invaded and your campaign slogan was "Biden will make Mars attack us!" NO poo poo?!?
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Manager Hoyden posted:Cool so what does "abolish the suburbs" mean in a practical sense? What is the actual plan for a human population to live completely inside city centers? Move away from people living in overly large, energy inefficient homes that waste thousands of gallons of water on monoculture yards? Establish robust, free public transit that connects communities at each scale (local, city, state, national)? Dismantle the systems of racialized inequality in income, education, etc that prop up suburbs at the expense of impoverished and marginalized communities (not just urban ones, also rural and other suburbs)? Deal with the genocidal regime of police violence that are necessary for suburbs to be seen as pockets of safety, stability, and prosperity for the "right" people? There's a whole grab bag of stuff that can be done, you're throwing a fit because you're projecting a bunch of assumptions onto the idea that no one else is even suggesting. It's about disrupting and undoing the systemic inequalities and oppression going back a century that made it possible for suburbs to exist. Are you really opposed to that? Sorry that you overleveraged yourself for a 4/2 on a quarter acre somewhere and now you're afraid that someone is going to take it from you or cause your property value to tank but that suburban lifestyle was never going to last anyway. luxury handset posted:it's just people who grew up in suburbs making controversial but sincere political statements for giggles. there is no effective way to reform or banish them at all and suburbs will still be there long after all of us are gone to dust so let people kick over sand castles if they want I grew up in inner city Wilmington until I was old enough to go to high school, try again. Mat Cauthon fucked around with this message at 18:28 on Jul 15, 2020 |
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Manager Hoyden posted:Cool so what does "abolish the suburbs" mean in a practical sense? What is the actual plan for a human population to live completely inside city centers? Oh, you think "abolish the suburbs" means making people stop living in the geographic area that suburbs exist. It doesn't. It means changing development patterns from what we have done for the last 75 years or so back to development patterns that have worked well for people for several centuries. I don't know what Trump thinks it means when he says it, but it wouldn't surprise me if he thinks it means turning suburbs into a racists idea of an inner city "ghetto".
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Mat Cauthon posted:Move away from people living in overly large, energy inefficient homes that waste thousands of gallons of water on monoculture yards? Establish robust, free public transit that connects communities at each scale (local, city, state, national)? Dismantle the systems of racialized inequality in income, education, etc that prop up suburbs at the expense of impoverished and marginalized communities (not just urban ones, also rural and other suburbs)? Deal with the genocidal regime of police violence that are necessary for suburbs to be seen as pockets of safety, stability, and prosperity for the "right" people? Cool so what was the plan again? (I don't live in a suburb by the way not that you have to to see that your idea is dumb)
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Wilbur Swain posted:Oh, you think "abolish the suburbs" means making people stop living in the geographic area that suburbs exist. It doesn't. It means changing development patterns from what we have done for the last 75 years or so back to development patterns that have worked well for people for several centuries. I don't know what Trump thinks it means when he says it, but it wouldn't surprise me if he thinks it means turning suburbs into a racists idea of an inner city "ghetto". He's trying to trigger memories of Brown V Board in the dying minds of boomers who remember legal segregation.
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Manager Hoyden posted:Cool so what was the plan again? (I don't live in a suburb by the way not that you have to to see that your idea is dumb) typically means abolishing things like HOAs, building government housing in those areas, doing away with charter schools and better funding/supporting the schools in those areas
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Wilbur Swain posted:Oh, you think "abolish the suburbs" means making people stop living in the geographic area that suburbs exist. It doesn't. It means changing development patterns from what we have done for the last 75 years or so back to development patterns that have worked well for people for several centuries. I don't know what Trump thinks it means when he says it, but it wouldn't surprise me if he thinks it means turning suburbs into a racists idea of an inner city "ghetto". in order to do this you'll have to, and i say this with no sense of hyperbole, ban personal ownership of automobiles cars and car ownership are the reason we got away from pedestrian-focused development patterns in the first place
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luxury handset posted:in order to do this you'll have to, and i say this with no sense of hyperbole, ban personal ownership of automobiles cool
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Manager Hoyden posted:Cool so what was the plan again? (I don't live in a suburb by the way not that you have to to see that your idea is dumb) Yes my idea that we should make life better and find more sustainable ways of living for everyone, including people who live in suburbs, is dumb. Thanks for your contribution, appreciate it. luxury handset posted:in order to do this you'll have to, and i say this with no sense of hyperbole, ban personal ownership of automobiles I don't see the problem here, assuming that the car ban happens once we have free robust public transit in most of the country, something that could be accomplished in like...a decade? So 2030 car ban? I'm down.
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luxury handset posted:in order to do this you'll have to, and i say this with no sense of hyperbole, ban personal ownership of automobiles Bad news about the future of manufacturing and the price of oil. Maybe if we can 3D print them we'll be ok. Otherwise,
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Fallom posted:i read about the hive planets in warhammer 40k and nodded sagely at the efficient use of resources hey where would you rather be when Ghazghkull Thraka's Waaagh lands for a third time, safely inside the walls of a hive or some exurb 2 hours' drive outside of Houston?
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sexpig by night posted:yea it's fine to give the nazi money, actually Wasn't really condoning it in any way. Just pointing out how stupid and pathetically easy rigging the game must be.
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luxury handset posted:in order to do this you'll have to, and i say this with no sense of hyperbole, ban personal ownership of automobiles Or own a working time machine to go back to before every city and town in the nation was developed around the assumption of owning a car. Or a giant wrecking ball to completely level and rebuild said areas. Either way seems like a good idea, otherwise dumb as poo poo.
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Mat Cauthon posted:
Position on 'abolish the suburbs' aside, this is really lovely posting. You can disagree with someone without being a presumptive, condescending jackass.
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it's honestly a really simple concept. Suburbs are weird lovely little bubbles for people to enjoy the benefits of an urban center without having to contribute to it. Many people feel that's unfair and stupid, and the fact that they almost all have roots in whites fleeing the scary minorities sure doesn't help. Dismantling the systems of isolation benefits both the city and the suburb.
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Manager Hoyden posted:Cool so what was the plan again? (I don't live in a suburb by the way not that you have to to see that your idea is dumb) He laid it out, while you're making drive-by shitposts. Nobody even knows what your gripe is. Low-density suburbs are not a necessary system.
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JonathonSpectre posted:I'm no political genius BUT You forget that these are the same people who chanted DRAIN THE SWAMP while installing more swamp people and expanding the swamp deeper and more swampier.
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Manager Hoyden posted:Or own a working time machine to go back to before every city and town in the nation was developed around the assumption of owning a car. or just, you know, funding public transportation
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Mat Cauthon posted:I don't see the problem here, assuming that the car ban happens once we have free robust public transit in most of the country, something that could be accomplished in like...a decade? at least fifty years to sort out all the land ownership and redevelopment issues honestly with all the various massive government reforms necessary a solid plague would be simpler and easier, from the perspective of wealth equity and environmental rehabilitation
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