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Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



DapperDraculaDeer posted:

I find Blondie really interesting. With the aesthetic she had it seems like it must have always been obvious she was going to go on to be a massive pop star, but her work in punk is damned near genre defining. She is responsible for a lot of very good music. Obviously she is wildly talented but I can never help but wonder how she ended up hanging out at CBGBs with that particular crowd.

Blondie's the band, not the singer! You failed the test, not a true fan. Harry's voice is great, but the band in its entirety is responsible for all those early tunes I love:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2OQGfjeH1U

^ Such an underrated song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRQ73xHifB0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjvpLiS2gKA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jO5VV5PISHU

I do love Debbie Harry, I'd still marry her even though she must be a 100 years old by now. If she's been #canceled for claiming that covid is caused by 5G or something, I don't want to hear it. Just let me like this one celebrity. I was already bummed out to hear that the original band members have been quarreling with each other.

Applebees Appetizer posted:

Best Punk album (EP) ever recorded imo:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qR-BiZiY9Tg

Also the Zero Boys are really good. Got this record for free with a subscription to Thrasher magazine in the mid 80's, love this loving album

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXPaupjFxoI

Wasted is one case where I do prefer the (Circle Jerks) cover:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUHg94K13_4

Also, I only know one (1) Zero Boys song, but it's a classic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_woJ7Rl2mI

Serious Party Gods posted:

I'd pay $5 to erase my understanding of Fugazi.

Why? I actually only just got around to giving them a serious listen, and they're not bad. It's different. I think they're an album band, though. Even Waiting Room doesn't seem that good by itself, for how well-known a song it is.

Phlegmish fucked around with this message at 00:27 on Aug 2, 2020

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uber_stoat
Jan 21, 2001



Pillbug
Debbie Harry is still the coolest. she put out a memoir at the end of last year.

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



uber_stoat posted:

Debbie Harry is still the coolest. she put out a memoir at the end of last year.



Might actually buy that, and maybe even in physical form.


Sure. Here's the acoustic version of What We Want Is Free:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOGKukTuJDk

I think it works well.

Phlegmish fucked around with this message at 00:30 on Aug 2, 2020

Gutter Phoenix
Jul 23, 2013

I preferred your last avatar, so I put it back. My apologies to the pedo who purchased your last one (it's always projection).

Applebees Appetizer posted:



Also the Zero Boys are really good. Got this record for free with a subscription to Thrasher magazine in the mid 80's, love this loving album

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXPaupjFxoI

Vicious Circle is such a good album. I saw the Zero Boys in Santa Cruz about five years ago. It was loving nuts. Santa Cruz punk shows are intense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQQ_QXHPoIo

DapperDraculaDeer
Aug 4, 2007

Shut up, Nick! You're not Twilight.

Phlegmish posted:

Blondie's the band, not the singer! You failed the test, not a true fan. Harry's voice is great, but the band in its entirety is responsible for all those early tunes I love:


Its not that simple! Harry described herself as playing the character Blondie for the purpose of fronting for the band! So Debbie Harry is Blondie and Blondie is also the collection of musicians playing music under the band named Blondie, because cocaine is a hell of a drug, no doubt.

I need to pick up her memoir, along with that awesome looking Henry and Glenn book with the Tom of Finland style cover art.

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



I might do a country-themed post about the Netherlands tomorrow, I don't think we have any Dutch goons here so I'll have to pick up the slack.

Don't forget to rate this thread 5! I already learned a lot just by checking in from time to time.

DapperDraculaDeer posted:

Its not that simple! Harry described herself as playing the character Blondie for the purpose of fronting for the band! So Debbie Harry is Blondie and Blondie is also the collection of musicians playing music under the band named Blondie, because cocaine is a hell of a drug, no doubt.

Ah, the Blondian dialectic

DapperDraculaDeer
Aug 4, 2007

Shut up, Nick! You're not Twilight.

Phlegmish posted:

I might do a country-themed post about the Netherlands tomorrow, I don't think we have any Dutch goons here so I'll have to pick up the slack.



I would love that. I suspect a lot of posters in this thread are familiar with at least some country music. Ive always liked Johnny Cash and recently became a big Willie Nelson fan. Country music in general has a well deserved bad reputation, but there are some real diamonds in the rough(not that Cash or Willie are exactly obscure names, theyre just artists I had zero familiarity with due to not liking country music) that I think punk fans can appreciate.

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



DapperDraculaDeer posted:

I would love that. I suspect a lot of posters in this thread are familiar with at least some country music. Ive always liked Johnny Cash and recently became a big Willie Nelson fan. Country music in general has a well deserved bad reputation, but there are some real diamonds in the rough(not that Cash or Willie are exactly obscure names, theyre just artists I had zero familiarity with due to not liking country music) that I think punk fans can appreciate.

Ah, I meant country as in the country of the Netherlands, not the genre. Sorry to disappoint. I'm not American and I really don't know much about country music, but I'm sure someone will chime in. I guess it's what they call cowpunk?

DapperDraculaDeer
Aug 4, 2007

Shut up, Nick! You're not Twilight.
They have music in Netherlands? Wow, tell me more!

Gutter Phoenix
Jul 23, 2013

I preferred your last avatar, so I put it back. My apologies to the pedo who purchased your last one (it's always projection).

DapperDraculaDeer posted:

I would love that. I suspect a lot of posters in this thread are familiar with at least some country music. Ive always liked Johnny Cash and recently became a big Willie Nelson fan. Country music in general has a well deserved bad reputation, but there are some real diamonds in the rough(not that Cash or Willie are exactly obscure names, theyre just artists I had zero familiarity with due to not liking country music) that I think punk fans can appreciate.

I like a lot of old country music. It's the newer (post-60s/70s) stuff that has no redeeming value. Everybody should listen to some Patsy Cline at least once in their lives.

When I got married to my ex wife back in 2001, we took a long road trip honeymoon and only had 2 cassettes in the car. One had the first two Black Sabbath albums, and the other was Johnny Cash's 16 Greatest Hits album on one side, and the "Murder" album (from the Johnny Cash: Love, God, Murder box set) on the other. It was all we needed.

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



DapperDraculaDeer posted:

They have music in Netherlands? Wow, tell me more!

What? Honestly, I do think it's interesting to take a look at punk from specific countries. They often tend to have their own themes and sounds, like the German bands that were posted earlier.

We should highlight Spain as well one of these days, the Basque Country in particular is cray-cray when it comes to good music.

DapperDraculaDeer
Aug 4, 2007

Shut up, Nick! You're not Twilight.
:justpost:

uber_stoat
Jan 21, 2001



Pillbug
even Switzerland got in on the action.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fw-FsP7gH-k

caleb
Jul 17, 2004
...rough day at the orifice.
All I know about country is like... a Hasil Adkins record and that one GG endeavor so I'm looking forward to what people are going to post.

Gutter Phoenix
Jul 23, 2013

I preferred your last avatar, so I put it back. My apologies to the pedo who purchased your last one (it's always projection).
I mean, I would sort of consider old folk/ country/ hillbilly songs to be a kind of precursor to punk. They have the same anti-establishment attitude.

I saw Utah Phillips a few times. He was cool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JE3jt4FIFs

Phlegmish
Jul 2, 2011



Does this count

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OgtQj8O92eI

Why do I think the girls doing that stupid dance are so hot

DapperDraculaDeer
Aug 4, 2007

Shut up, Nick! You're not Twilight.
Thats a pretty provocative dance with lots of shaking going on. Thats probably at least part of it.


How about early Beastie Boys? Some of the members were part of a hardcore band before getting into hip hop. This video has been making the rounds lately and it reminds me of that early 90s punk revival that was briefly a thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZ5yKJlhbiA

Snowy
Oct 6, 2010

A man whose blood
Is very snow-broth;
One who never feels
The wanton stings and
Motions of the sense



The beastie boys have legit hardcore roots

Gutter Phoenix
Jul 23, 2013

I preferred your last avatar, so I put it back. My apologies to the pedo who purchased your last one (it's always projection).


Unrelated to the current conversation in the thread, but I haven't heard this song in awhile, and it's great:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxg7kNC82oo

I really like the early DK songs that 6025 helped write. Nomeansno did an acapella cover of this song on the Virus 100 comp.

Gutter Phoenix
Jul 23, 2013

I preferred your last avatar, so I put it back. My apologies to the pedo who purchased your last one (it's always projection).

Snowy posted:

The beastie boys have legit hardcore roots



I was thinking that the Beastie Boys were in the classic movie Wild Style, but I confused it with Krush Groove. Debbie Harry was in Wild Style though. Both movies are worth a watch. I love time capsules like that.

caleb
Jul 17, 2004
...rough day at the orifice.
That Beastie Boys video is sick. I used to play Gratitude as my soundcheck riff whenever I was playing bass live. That band is timeless.

Snowy
Oct 6, 2010

A man whose blood
Is very snow-broth;
One who never feels
The wanton stings and
Motions of the sense



Gutter Phoenix posted:

I was thinking that the Beastie Boys were in the classic movie Wild Style, but I confused it with Krush Groove. Debbie Harry was in Wild Style though. Both movies are worth a watch. I love time capsules like that.

If you haven’t seen Style Wars I strongly recommend it for some powerful early 80s nyc vibes. It’s a great documentary that also gives you some perspective on what the city was like when hardcore was getting going in New York https://youtu.be/r4jniA9QsNI

Tons of prominent graffiti writers came out of the punk/hardcore scene, like Revs: https://www.brooklynstreetart.com/2019/01/23/fcking-revs-interview-on-bsa-by-freddy-alva/ oh hey I took one of those photos

dorkthrone
Nov 11, 2019

I wanted to post the Hickey/Voodoo Glow Skulls "split," but it looks like it's been deleted from YouTube. Here's a link to the story behind it, in case you feel like readin' some stuff.

https://www.bleacheverything.com/blog/2017/10/7/why-pre-internet-beef-was-the-best-beef-hickey-v-voodoo-glow-skulls

You can find an mp3 rip of the release here (plus a ton of other stuff Matty Luv did): https://mattyluv.com/inc/disco.php

Snowy
Oct 6, 2010

A man whose blood
Is very snow-broth;
One who never feels
The wanton stings and
Motions of the sense




That was fun

DapperDraculaDeer
Aug 4, 2007

Shut up, Nick! You're not Twilight.
Fun, but also kind of sad. I dont understand how anyone involved in punk could end up a racist/homophobic grandpa but here we are listening to quite a few people who did just that.

Ralph Hurley
Aug 3, 2009

:barf::sweep::zoid:



The same reason it happened to the peace loving hippies. Some people were only ever into it for the image and lifestyle. Once they outgrow that, the mask comes off and there’s racist grandpa.

Altared State
Jan 14, 2006

I think I was born to burn
I like all kind of punk, and anything else that falls under it

Whole Wheat Bread

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NybadJ8QBc

Ho99o9

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YgHreyKwsE

Mad Sin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_F9qyUp5dpo

Civet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-TmO8Y3tCQ

Babylon Astronaut
Apr 19, 2012
NY Punk and Hip-hop were the same scene. Like how UK punk and reggae were.

Ralph Hurley posted:

The same reason it happened to the peace loving hippies. Some people were only ever into it for the image and lifestyle. Once they outgrow that, the mask comes off and there’s racist grandpa.
There's more to it with punk though I'm afraid. Like if you listen to some nazi music, it's hardcore. I loving love hardcore, but so do the nazis, and that's not a cooincidence. You gotta face the fact that the rebellious energy can and has been co-opted for the wrong reasons. There really isn't a parallel for the hippies. The hippies that went conservative listen to pop country, not jam band junction even if their upbringing makes it nostalgic and comfortable with it. But the hippy fence sitters and nazis aren't making hippy music, they're making country is my point.

Babylon Astronaut fucked around with this message at 05:13 on Aug 2, 2020

caleb
Jul 17, 2004
...rough day at the orifice.
I forgot about my country punk crushes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIweKloIN0c

Ralph Hurley
Aug 3, 2009

:barf::sweep::zoid:



The first time I saw Quintron and Miss Pussycat was wild. The puppet show was bizarre and at one point the puppet stage caught fire and and was put out by an audience member. When Quintron started playing the organ it was nuts. More fire, some scary home made pyrotechnics poo poo he had rigged up, raining sparks. He had the crowd in a frenzy. After the show I bought a tape from Miss Pussycat called Flossy and the Unicorns that is pretty much the audio portion of the puppet show. It’s trippy as hell and one of my favorite things I ever bought at a show.

Ralph Hurley fucked around with this message at 05:14 on Aug 2, 2020

DapperDraculaDeer
Aug 4, 2007

Shut up, Nick! You're not Twilight.
A music video consisting of the band getting fall down drunk and playing in someones backyard? Thats the most punk rock thing Ive seen in a very long time.

Babylon Astronaut
Apr 19, 2012
Peelander-Z is punk as gently caress, and the best live show you will ever see, I promise. I'll put forth an effort post, but the hallmark of a peelander show is you tell someone the next day exactly what happened and they go "ok, you're just making that up."

caleb
Jul 17, 2004
...rough day at the orifice.

DapperDraculaDeer posted:

A music video consisting of the band getting fall down drunk and playing in someones backyard? Thats the most punk rock thing Ive seen in a very long time.

They are actually really good and funny and don't care about anything and I find that endearing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziIRyNGE33E

DapperDraculaDeer
Aug 4, 2007

Shut up, Nick! You're not Twilight.
Im not kidding about that being very punk. Shooting videos in your backyard, garage, basement etc with whatever equipment you can find while getting smashed is very punk rock. Tons of important bands started out doing this exact thing. Its a good thing.

Serious Party Gods
Apr 2, 2009

Phlegmish posted:

Why? Fugazi.

I don't know man, I guess it feels so premeditated and possibly .. boring? You're right, it's not bad - but it came at a time when everything was becoming quite toothless and I resent it. I'm not a huge fan of late-stage East Coast stuff or a "post-hardcore" guy so take it with a grain of salt.

(Plus I just wanted to make a "$5 AA show" joke.)

Carlos Lantana
Oct 2, 2003

I'm really sorry, your avatar is giving me a boner and while that is perfectly OK and I don't want to kink shame anyone, its making me feel really weird getting a boner in a Trump thread.

Sincerely,

Jailbrekr

Gutter Phoenix posted:

Unrelated to the current conversation in the thread, but I haven't heard this song in awhile, and it's great:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxg7kNC82oo

I really like the early DK songs that 6025 helped write. Nomeansno did an acapella cover of this song on the Virus 100 comp.

also les thugs doing moon over marin also the entire album.

Serious Party Gods
Apr 2, 2009

Gutter Phoenix posted:

Mental Pygmies

Applebees Appetizer posted:

Also the Zero Boys are really good. Got this record for free with a subscription to Thrasher magazine in the mid 80's, love this loving album

Awesome! Everything came from Thrasher back then (for me) - Then MRR and Flipside.

Snowy
Oct 6, 2010

A man whose blood
Is very snow-broth;
One who never feels
The wanton stings and
Motions of the sense



Fugazi was amazing and intense live, absolutely not toothless. They stand far above any post hardcore or emo that I know of

E- the recorded stuff is great too but live they especially blew me away

Babylon Astronaut
Apr 19, 2012
No, they've always been a very live show focused band. Fugazi have always been a working band that barely carries over on record and even then, they put some very important post-harcore albums. I don't think they surpassed pink flag that came earlier, but almost no one did. I actively avoided Fugazi shows and still saw them like 15 times. I was a very uncultured and cynical kid.

Babylon Astronaut fucked around with this message at 06:34 on Aug 2, 2020

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Serious Party Gods
Apr 2, 2009

Snowy posted:

Fugazi was amazing and intense live, absolutely not toothless. They stand far above any post hardcore or emo that I know of

E- the recorded stuff is great too but live they especially blew me away

Fair enough. I can fully appreciate that there are folks out there who love it.. It just never tickled my pickle. :yaycloud:

E: Plus, I never saw them live.

Serious Party Gods fucked around with this message at 06:35 on Aug 2, 2020

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