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Shiroc posted:train people for the Bernie 2020 campaign. lol
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the josh / morse / shahid penance station
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I loved the line about spreading "Bernie Dharma". Dude couldn't be a better parody of a silicon valley tech bro.
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I donated $5 to josh and helped distribute his ballot petition at a Bernie Sanders rally I worked at. still a better outcome than with the $150 I donated to Sanders not to mention all those hours. josh could buy an electric truck or whatever and it would still be better than Bernie giving it to lunch friend joe biden
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Can someone say what's up with this Jess character? I assume given that she's running for Senate, that she's not an actual socialist like these guys are saying. Is that a good assessment?
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PERPETUAL IDIOT posted:Can someone say what's up with this Jess character? I assume given that she's running for Senate, that she's not an actual socialist like these guys are saying. Is that a good assessment? youve summoned nichael with this post
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Aug 10, 2020 12:26
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I gave 2k to some random goon’s campaign and I regret nothing. politics is a gamble and you never know what’s gonna come next
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Nichael posted:shahid and josh are loving scams. morse is a sexmonster. markey is going to get bodied by an incest baby. Whenever I see #Khive or donut Twitter types crow about all of the Bernie-affiliated candidates who lost in 2018, I have to imagine it wasn't so much that they were or claimed to be leftist so much as they were grifters or incompetents or the wrong battles similar to these guys
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PERPETUAL IDIOT posted:Can someone say what's up with this Jess character? I assume given that she's running for Senate, that she's not an actual socialist like these guys are saying. Is that a good assessment? she's a socialist, please get on the loving dialer
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Nichael posted:she's a socialist, please get on the loving dialer I read her website and it doesn't say that she is. I don't appreciate you coming in to this thread and lying to me.
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Aug 11, 2020 03:41
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doesnt call herself a socialist, isnt a member of a socialist organization, doesnt have the endorsement of any socialist organization that i can see, and is running as a democrat. doesnt seem like you can with any good faith call her a socialist. looks like shes a progressive democrat who is probably better in most every way to the incumbent but shes not a socialist.
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apropos to nothing posted:doesnt call herself a socialist, isnt a member of a socialist organization, doesnt have the endorsement of any socialist organization that i can see, and is running as a democrat. doesnt seem like you can with any good faith call her a socialist. looks like shes a progressive democrat who is probably better in most every way to the incumbent but shes not a socialist. she is a member of the dsa
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Nichael posted:she is a member of the dsa yes but what socialist org is she a part of?
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apropos to nothing posted:doesnt call herself a socialist, isnt a member of a socialist organization, doesnt have the endorsement of any socialist organization that i can see, and is running as a democrat. doesnt seem like you can with any good faith call her a socialist. looks like shes a progressive democrat who is probably better in most every way to the incumbent but shes not a socialist. when she loses i'm going to post something like "another successful goon project" and then get probated for 6 hours by lightening knight
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PERPETUAL IDIOT posted:I read her website and it doesn't say that she is. I don't appreciate you coming in to this thread and lying to me. eat a dick, and apropos to nothing posted:doesnt call herself a socialist, isnt a member of a socialist organization, doesnt have the endorsement of any socialist organization that i can see, and is running as a democrat. doesnt seem like you can with any good faith call her a socialist. looks like shes a progressive democrat who is probably better in most every way to the incumbent but shes not a socialist. gently caress u
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Fly Molo posted:eat a dick, and wow i was going to vote for Jess but toxic Jessbros like you are keeping me away
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Anyone who thought that some dumbass with a ponytail who posts videos of himself doing karaoke was going to beat an establishment wasp like Pelosi needs to log off.
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Nichael posted:she is a member of the dsa ok thanks for the clarification. still would argue if thats the case then it should be a major aspect of her campaign and how she is campaigning, which I dont see any signs of. Ive known other individuals running for office who are DSA members but who are completely uninvolved in the organization. be happy to be wrong here but theres a huge difference between someone like julia salazar or lee carter who are open about being socialists and someone like rashida tlaib who imo shies away from the label and uses her affiliation more as a means to gain access to the DSA volunteer base. like if you read julia salazars campaign page, its one of the first things youre hit with: "Help her win re-election! As an advocate, a tenant, a feminist, a democratic socialist, a union member, and a proud daughter of an immigrant family, Julia has dedicated her life to fighting for social justice in her community."
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apropos to nothing posted:ok thanks for the clarification. still would argue if thats the case then it should be a major aspect of her campaign and how she is campaigning, which I dont see any signs of. Ive known other individuals running for office who are DSA members but who are completely uninvolved in the organization. be happy to be wrong here but theres a huge difference between someone like julia salazar or lee carter who are open about being socialists and someone like rashida tlaib who imo shies away from the label and uses her affiliation more as a means to gain access to the DSA volunteer base.
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exmarx posted:when she loses i'm going to post something like "another successful goon project" and then get probated for 6 hours by lightening knight get on the dialer. of course she'll lose if we don't hit our goals. there's no magic formula to winning besides "do a lot of voter contact." or maybe go donate and phone bank for the myriad of leftist sexmonsters instead 
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I really can't stress enough how utterly useless the DSA has been in this cycle. They wouldn't even touch our race without a local endorsement. Only problem is, DE is the only state without a DSA. We tried to tell them that and they told us to make a fake chapter to force an endorsement in. We considered it! But then we asked how many volunteers and money national would provide, and I was told practically none and less than $1,000. I've raised $60,000 by shitposting on C-SPAM and the national DSA can't even raise $1,000. They have no idea what they are doing imo.
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Im not in the DSA though I work with a lot of the folks and have contacts in it locally and nationally. I think theres a lot to constructively criticize the DSA on too including how it interacts with candidates and their campaigns. think what youre describing ties in with what i posted earlier about josh collins, some DSA members/endorsed candidates and others though, which is that there is no democratic structure in the form of a party or even party-like organization to hold candidates accountable to their programs, or to even develop a program in the first place. theres no larger point to running a candidate for office if theres not an organized movement which is driving their run and which is calling the shots. socialists understand that class struggle is what changes society and that while elections are useful, theyre only useful if theyre a genuine expression of the movement behind them and the candidate/campaign itself is deliberately rooted in those social movements. think a lot of people believe that running candidates is the way to get people organized but in my experiences its the opposite, electoral campaigns actually put enormous strain on organizations and without a strong and stable organization, even if a campaign is successful what you end up with is an individual member of parliament/council/congress with no accountability to the movements they need to be representing. think its an important discussion and debate for socialists to be having right now too. it was brought up in another thread how AOC has let people down in many ways and I think that feeling is fair. but I also dont think it should be viewed as a personal or deliberate failing on her part or anything, its an expression of not having the kind of organization im trying to describe to 1. hold her accountable, but also. 2. help support her in office. when socialists enter elected office its as enemies to the rest of the elected body, always should be. its very hard to resist being coopted or capitulating in that kind of position if there isnt a movement outside the halls of power that again will keep you accountable but also agitate and to support your efforts.
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not trying to criticize this campaign specifically or anything but based on what you said I think people reading this should ask which would maybe be more beneficial long term: this campaign, or using the same time/resources to help start a DSA/whatever other org you like in deleware since there isnt one already? same thing applies to josh collins or whoever else. basically i think socialists outta read jane mcalveys book "no shortcuts" and then apply those same lessons to elections. have to build in a patient and deliberate way the organizations which can eventually lead to working class power, and theres no way to cut the process short or skip important steps in any kind of principled way.
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But what you're describing exists locally and isn't needed from national orgs. I would say like 50 to 60% of the nascent Delaware leftist movement works on this campaign, and a large chunk of the rest of them work on the other local leftist campaigns.
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apropos to nothing posted:not trying to criticize this campaign specifically or anything but based on what you said I think people reading this should ask which would maybe be more beneficial long term: this campaign, or using the same time/resources to help start a DSA/whatever other org you like in deleware since there isnt one already? same thing applies to josh collins or whoever else. basically i think socialists outta read jane mcalveys book "no shortcuts" and then apply those same lessons to elections. have to build in a patient and deliberate way the organizations which can eventually lead to working class power, and theres no way to cut the process short or skip important steps in any kind of principled way. There are organizations in Delaware that do this, like Network Delaware. And this campaign has trained countless local and young organizers now because that's been a goal since day one. If you phone bank with us, engage with the Slack, and help us win, you'd see this. 
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thats great! Im not directing this at you specifically necessarily unless the shoe fits, but the larger topic the thread is about. if youre trying to appeal to me specifically to do work for the campaign I wont be sorry. tying in to what Ive been droning on about all thread, I only put work into campaigns which are for candidates who are members of or endorsed by the organization Im a member of.
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apropos to nothing posted:thats great! Im not directing this at you specifically necessarily unless the shoe fits, but the larger topic the thread is about. if youre trying to appeal to me specifically to do work for the campaign I wont be sorry. tying in to what Ive been droning on about all thread, I only put work into campaigns which are for candidates who are members of or endorsed by the organization Im a member of. there is a nascent dsa here who has endorsed us btw as of like two weeks ago. I think you'll like us tbh.
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exmarx posted:when she loses i'm going to post something like "another successful goon project" and then get probated for 6 hours by lightening knight i stand in solidarity
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apropos to nothing posted:the main lesson to take away from josh collins is that socialists and workers need an independent working class party with a genuine democratic structure where the candidates and campaigns which are run are decided on democratically by the membership. and that would extend to where and when the campaigns would be run, and the actual nature of how they are run. not just determined by individuals making individual decisions to run. theres also been some examples where the labor/left vote has been split in primaries or general election like in seattle with shaun scott last year or minneapolis with ginger jentzen a few years back there was a time when people gave deep thought to a man named "Ironstache"
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Dreylad posted:i stand in solidarity please stop posting for two hours and help us get medicare for all
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Victory Position posted:there was a time when people gave deep thought to a man named "Ironstache" ironstache was a cool name and politics would represent itself much more honestly if candidates had stage names and costumes
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Nichael posted:please stop posting for two hours and help us get medicare for all A single senate vote will do basically nothing to move the needle on that. You can sell the vision to Delaware voters. Sell "I actually know what the hell I'm talking about" to C-Spam if you're going to try that. e: I'm also going to point out that your thread being called "The Last Stand Of the American Left of 2020" makes it really sound like you don't understand the political moment beyond elections. Shiroc has issued a correction as of 18:21 on Aug 11, 2020 |
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Shiroc posted:A single senate vote will do basically nothing to move the needle on that. You can sell the vision to Delaware voters. Sell "I actually know what the hell I'm talking about" to C-Spam if you're going to try that. 
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Breakfast All Day posted:ironstache was a cool name and politics would represent itself much more honestly if candidates had stage names and costumes
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Shiroc posted:...makes it really sound like you don't understand the political moment beyond elections. it's not anyone else's fault that you don't understand that the thread title has context specifically with respect to elections, but ya know, gently caress nuance i  mf
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Shiroc posted:A single senate vote will do basically nothing to move the needle on that. You can sell the vision to Delaware voters. Sell "I actually know what the hell I'm talking about" to C-Spam if you're going to try that. lol
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there's no way a SINGLE SENATOR could ignite some sort of left movement in our country
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Shiroc posted:A single senate vote will do basically nothing to move the needle on that. You can sell the vision to Delaware voters. Sell "I actually know what the hell I'm talking about" to C-Spam if you're going to try that. oh my god, get on the loving dialer and make calls. let's change poo poo.
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You're wasting time telling someone who is clearly showing that they're between indifferent to hostile to just shut up and make calls.
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Also I got to say, this particular moment in American history has probably completely disillusioned a lot of leftists from electoral politics.
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